Fire Bloom .

[notin]

Sure he did, and nobody says they aren't.

 

I have always thought that Henry considers himself a smart baseball guy and wants his team to win. I refuse to believe he's happy right now with the state of the team. We all saw what happened to Cherington.

 

I doubt he’s happy. The question is - is he patient?

[Bellhorn04]

And if a GM judged Eovaldi to be a high risk for injury and therefore a risky multiyear deal, would you agree or disagree?

 

Eovaldi got $34 million. That's a fraction of the big contracts.

[notin]

I'm sure the Sox ticket scalpers are not a happy lot right now either.

 

Ticket scalpers? Those still exist?

 

I’m talking about stubhub, seatgeeks, and all those other crowd sourced ticket outlets. Those are the folks who ramp up the prices now…

[Bellhorn04]

I doubt he’s happy. The question is - is he patient?

 

We already know the answer to that.

[Bellhorn04]

Ticket scalpers? Those still exist?

 

I’m talking about stubhub, seatgeeks, and all those other crowd sourced ticket outlets. Those are the folks who ramp up the prices now…

 

Those are just euphemisms for scalper.

[notin]

Eovaldi got $34 million. That's a fraction of the big contracts.

 

1. Ok and how did that come about. We know he turned down a QO. Beyond that, did the Sox make another offer?

2. Based on Eovaldi’s history, how big should the Sox have gone?

3. Will Eovaldi actually pitch enough to be worth that deal, based on his history?

 

If Eovaldi does miss significant time this year, and possibly next, were the Sox still wrong to let him go?

[notin]

Those are just euphemisms for scalper.

 

Step into the digital age!!

[notin]

We already know the answer to that.

 

What is the answer? And how long will that answer stay the same?

[dgalehouse]

The Red Sox could sell for five billion dollars. This is at least in part due to the loyal fanbase. But you can't keep alienating them by raising prices and cutting the budget. The luxury tax was the owner's idea. They should not use it as an excuse now. Sox Nation is showing their discontent. And this is not just a problem in Boston. MLB in general is constantly looking for ways to bleed more and more money from the fans.

[notin]

The Red Sox could sell for five billion dollars. This is at least in part due to the loyal fanbase. But you can't keep alienating them by raising prices and cutting the budget. The luxury tax was the owner's idea. They should not use it as an excuse now. Sox Nation is showing their discontent. And this is not just a problem in Boston. MLB in general is constantly looking for ways to bleed more and more money from the fans.

 

The luxury tax exists riley to benefit the small market owners. The larger markets undoubtedly do not like having to repeatedly pay the smaller ones so they can go through the motions of setting up a team…

[Bellhorn04]

What is the answer? And how long will that answer stay the same?

 

All we can do is speculate. My speculation is that if the Sox finish under .500 this year Bloom is gone.

[Bellhorn04]

The luxury tax exists riley to benefit the small market owners. The larger markets undoubtedly do not like having to repeatedly pay the smaller ones so they can go through the motions of setting up a team…

 

The only teams that seem to be in full tank mode this year are the A's and the Royals.

[Hugh2]

Nobody wanted Eovaldi last year, nobody…none of you. We remember.

 

People were even angry when he was offered a qualifying offer.

 

Just stop with the Nathan talk. It’s a 100% hindsight argument.

[Old Red]

Nobody wanted Eovaldi last year, nobody…none of you. We remember.

 

People were even angry when he was offered a qualifying offer.

 

Just stop with the Nathan talk. It’s a 100% hindsight argument.

 

The Nathan talk will go on all year as long as he stays healthy, and pitches like he continues to pitch, and Kluber continues to suck. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if there wasn’t such a difference this year between Evol, and Kluber, but there is, and that’s why the talk.

[notin]

All we can do is speculate. My speculation is that if the Sox finish under .500 this year Bloom is gone.

 

I wouldn’t argue with that. I have no idea either way…

[notin]

Nobody wanted Eovaldi last year, nobody…none of you. We remember.

 

People were even angry when he was offered a qualifying offer.

 

Just stop with the Nathan talk. It’s a 100% hindsight argument.

 

I believe many wanted him dealt away at the deadline. Or at least didn’t understand why he wasn’t…

[notin]

The Nathan talk will go on all year as long as he stays healthy, and pitches like he continues to pitch, and Kluber continues to suck. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if there wasn’t such a difference this year between Evol, and Kluber, but there is, and that’s why the talk.

 

Eovaldi was available to the entire league. And nobody topped the 2 yr $34mill offer. Think the Yankees should fire Cashman for spending $162mil on Rodon when he could have had Eovaldi and saved almost $130mill?

[Old Red]

Eovaldi was available to the entire league. And nobody topped the 2 yr $34mill offer. Think the Yankees should fire Cashman for spending $162mil on Rodon when he could have had Eovaldi and saved almost $130mill?

 

You’re missing the point as usual. What they replaced him with sucks, and Evol is rolling along at 8-2 with a 2.24 ERA. Kluber is mopping up in the BP. Wacha is doing pretty good too.

[Randy Red Sox]

Take Mayer out of the rankings, and it wouldn’t be as high either.

 

And Mayer pretty much fell into Bloom’s lap.

[Old Red]

And Mayer pretty much fell into Bloom’s lap.

 

3 times over.

[notin]

3 times over.

 

Drohan, too…

[Randy Red Sox]

All this discussion really means nothing. What DOES mean something is that the Sox are WeLL on their way to their 3rd last place ALEast finish in Bloom’s 4 years inBoston. That is FACT and REAITY.

[Bellhorn04]

Nobody wanted Eovaldi last year, nobody…none of you. We remember.

 

People were even angry when he was offered a qualifying offer.

 

Just stop with the Nathan talk. It’s a 100% hindsight argument.

 

Um, why don't you speak for yourself? I never said I didn't want him back.

[notin]

Um, why don't you speak for yourself? I never said I didn't want him back.

 

Did you want him back for multiple years?

[Bellhorn04]

Did you want him back for multiple years?

 

2 for $34, absolutely.

[notin]

You’re missing the point as usual. What they replaced him with sucks, and Evol is rolling along at 8-2 with a 2.24 ERA. Kluber is mopping up in the BP. Wacha is doing pretty good too.

 

No I’m not missing any points.

 

Bloom clearly didn’t want Eovakdi back - and probably Wacha too - because both of them are very risky for multiyear deals. You know, like Chris Sale is showing us. Wacha in particular wasn’t even all that good in recent years when he has pitched. Try revisiting the one year old commentary when he was originally signed. His numbers are on full display alongside the shock.

 

I have no idea whom Bloom wants in the rotation (besides Houck) but it wasn’t anyone on the market this year. And you can only sign the guy you want when he’s available. So rather than committing multiple years to a pitcher he didn’t want (again, probably for the very realistic and history-backed injury risk) for multiple years, Bloom brought in a one year stop gap solution.

 

As fans, we often only look at this year. But GMs can’t do that…

[Bellhorn04]

No I’m not missing any points.

 

Bloom clearly didn’t want Eovakdi back

 

I thought he made him an offer.

[Bellhorn04]

No I’m not missing any points.

 

Bloom clearly didn’t want Eovakdi back - and probably Wacha too - because both of them are very risky for multiyear deals. You know, like Chris Sale is showing us. Wacha in particular wasn’t even all that good in recent years when he has pitched. Try revisiting the one year old commentary when he was originally signed. His numbers are on full display alongside the shock.

 

I have no idea whom Bloom wants in the rotation (besides Houck) but it wasn’t anyone on the market this year. And you can only sign the guy you want when he’s available. So rather than committing multiple years to a pitcher he didn’t want (again, probably for the very realistic and history-backed injury risk) for multiple years, Bloom brought in a one year stop gap solution.

 

As fans, we often only look at this year. But GMs can’t do that…

 

GMs can also be fired at any time, so looking too far ahead might be a mistake.

[dgalehouse]

John Henry has Bloom helping clean up the hot dog wrappers and peanut shells in the stands between games.

[Old Red]

No I’m not missing any points.

 

Bloom clearly didn’t want Eovakdi back - and probably Wacha too - because both of them are very risky for multiyear deals. You know, like Chris Sale is showing us. Wacha in particular wasn’t even all that good in recent years when he has pitched. Try revisiting the one year old commentary when he was originally signed. His numbers are on full display alongside the shock.

 

I have no idea whom Bloom wants in the rotation (besides Houck) but it wasn’t anyone on the market this year. And you can only sign the guy you want when he’s available. So rather than committing multiple years to a pitcher he didn’t want (again, probably for the very realistic and history-backed injury risk) for multiple years, Bloom brought in a one year stop gap solution.

 

As fans, we often only look at this year. But GMs can’t do that…

You are missing the point, because you are still focusing on wanting Evol, or Wacha back. The problem is what you replaced them with is worse. Bloom signed Richard, and Perez a couple years ago, and neither worked out very well, but he brought Hill onboard last year, and Martin Perez was better than Hill last year. He got rid of Evol, and Wacha, and Hill too for that matter, and, and brought in Kluber who is worse this year than Evol, Wacha, and maybe Hill too, and Martin Perez is still pitching better than Kluber. The main point is Bloom replacements are usually worse than who he replaced.