Fire Bloom .

[dgalehouse]

It is what it is. Bloom is the man in charge. He has not done a good job. He has failed. I blame him much more than I blame Cora. Sox are in the cellar. 19 games behind the Yankees. Not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

[Bellhorn04]

It is what it is. Bloom is the man in charge. He has not done a good job. He has failed. I blame him much more than I blame Cora. Sox are in the cellar. 19 games behind the Yankees. Not trying to hurt anyone's feelings.

 

He has failed this year, agreed. Next year is a different year.

[cp176]

If you think the Orioles are just a doormat in 2022, you have no clue about the players on that team right now and haven't watched any of their games. Forget about the logo on their hats. Those players are young and good. Stop with that baby brained ********.

 

bbb is one of the best forms of alliteration that I have seen in years. A+

[Maxbialystock]

If Cora is going to get all the praise for 2018, and he has how come he doesn’t get any blame for this year?

 

Ahem. To be honest, I think the primary architect for 2018 was DD, who brought in four key arms--Sale, Price, Eovaldi, and Kimbrel--and a very good bat, JDM, who I think made all the other Sox bats better. DD did inherit a lot of pretty good hitters.

Nevertheless, some credit must go to Cora for the best season in Sox history.

 

Then the pitching collapsed in 2019 and the Sox missed the postseason, but still had a winning record. Still, John Henry fired DD because he realized he was paying a whole lot of salary for not nearly enough performance. Plus he was about to lose Mookie Betts whom the Dodgers were willing to pay $365M.

 

2020 was a losing season and also the season when Cora was banished from MLB for the Astros sign-stealing.

 

2021, Cora returns, but the Sox no longer have Mookie, Beni, Sale, Price, Kimbrel, JBJ, Moreland, Porcello, et al. Barnes turns out to be terrific closer, but only for half a season, after which the closer becomes "assorted." One could fairly argue that a good bullpen is a manager's best friend and that that usually includes a reliable closer.

 

Nevertheless, the Sox whip the Yankees in the wild card and the 100 win Rays in the ALDS before losing to the Astros, 4 games to 2, in the ALCS--and they do it without a closer. In fact, they have 0 saves in 11 postseason games in 2021, but only 1 blown save (in the 6th inning of a game Sale started and lasted 2.2 innings). That to me suggests masterful managing by Cora.

 

As for this year, 2022, please name another Sox team with such horrible pitching--due mostly to rampant injuries--that did better than this team's 72-77 so far? Only one other AL team has given up more runs than the Sox 715.

 

Plus, and here I don't have the stats to back this up, but it does seem to me that RISP disease has hit this team especially hard.

[Maxbialystock]

If Cora is going to get all the praise for 2018, and he has how come he doesn’t get any blame for this year?

 

Ahem. To be honest, I think the primary architect for 2018 was DD, who brought in four key arms--Sale, Price, Eovaldi, and Kimbrel--and a very good bat, JDM, who I think made all the other Sox bats better. DD did inherit a lot of pretty good hitters.

Nevertheless, some credit must go to Cora for the best season in Sox history.

 

Then the pitching collapsed in 2019 and the Sox missed the postseason, but still had a winning record. Still, John Henry fired DD because he realized he was paying a whole lot of salary for not nearly enough performance. Plus he was about to lose Mookie Betts whom the Dodgers were willing to pay $365M.

 

2020 was a losing season and also the season when Cora was banished from MLB for the Astros sign-stealing.

 

2021, Cora returns, but the Sox no longer have Mookie, Beni, Sale, Price, Kimbrel, JBJ, Moreland, Porcello, et al. Barnes turns out to be terrific closer, but only for half a season, after which the closer becomes "assorted." One could fairly argue that a good bullpen is a manager's best friend and that that usually includes a reliable closer.

 

Nevertheless, the Sox whip the Yankees in the wild card and the 100 win Rays in the ALDS before losing to the Astros, 4 games to 2, in the ALCS--and they do it without a closer. In fact, they have 0 saves in 11 postseason games in 2021, but only 1 blown save (in the 6th inning of a game Sale started and lasted 2.2 innings). That to me suggests masterful managing by Cora.

 

As for this year, 2022, please name another Sox team with such horrible pitching--due mostly to rampant injuries--that did better than this team's 72-77 so far? Only one other AL team has given up more runs than the Sox 715.

 

Plus, and here I don't have the stats to back this up, but it does seem to me that RISP disease has hit this team especially hard.

[Old Red]

Nobody said he gets "all the praise for 2018".

 

It's pretty hard to have a discussion if you're just going to keep making stuff up.

 

Do you expect to win every year?

 

Should every man

 

I’m not making anything up. I have heard more than once that Cora led the Red Sox to their best season in their history, so no made up has been done. With a payroll of $200M+ yes I expect them to at least be a team with a winning record every year, so if that’s wrong then I’m wrong.

[Bellhorn04]

I’m not making anything up. I have heard more than once that Cora led the Red Sox to their best season in their history, so no made up has been done.

 

Nobody said he gets all the praise for that team. That's what you made up.

[Old Red]

Nobody said he gets all the praise for that team. That's what you made up.

 

I should have said all the praise he has gotten, and not all the praise, so that’s my error, but the meaning is still there.

[Bellhorn04]

I should have said all the praise he has gotten, and not all the praise, so that’s my error, but the meaning is still there.

 

All I'm saying is that one championship and two LCS appearances in 4 years, and knocking the Yankees out of the playoffs twice, is not the kind of record that should get a manager fired.

[mvp 78]

New thread title needed. Quick options: Dire Bloom. Liar Bloom. Buyer Bloom? Retire Bloom.

 

Inspire Bloom!

[mvp 78]

bbb is one of the best forms of alliteration that I have seen in years. A+

 

Thank you. I try to have a little fun on Friday.

[Old Red]

All I'm saying is that one championship and two LCS appearances in 4 years, and knocking the Yankees out of the playoffs twice, is not the kind of record that should get a manager fired.

 

I get your point on all of this.

[mvp 78]

He has failed this year, agreed. Next year is a different year.

 

Next year is his Judgment Night.

[dgalehouse]

I’m not making anything up. I have heard more than once that Cora led the Red Sox to their best season in their history, so no made up has been done. With a payroll of $200M+ yes I expect them to at least be a team with a winning record every year, so if that’s wrong then I’m wrong.

 

No doubt it is easier to manage when you have the horses. Also, no doubt the manager and GM will get extra credit when winning and extra blame when losing. That's life. I do think it was very difficult for Cora to make good moves this year considering the awful bullpen he had at his disposal. That is squarely on Bloom.

[mvp 78]

No doubt it is easier to manage when you have the horses. Also, no doubt the manager and GM will get extra credit when winning and extra blame when losing. That's life. I do think it was very difficult for Cora to make good moves this year considering the awful bullpen he had at his disposal. That is squarely on Bloom.

 

The one thing I struggle with who to blame is the decision on Houck and Whitlock. Both of those guys were kind of put into pitching purgatory again this season with neither having an idea if they'd be a starter or reliever. They both got yanked around from day one and both wound up with injuries. Related?

[Old Red]

The one thing I struggle with who to blame is the decision on Houck and Whitlock. Both of those guys were kind of put into pitching purgatory again this season with neither having an idea if they'd be a starter or reliever. They both got yanked around from day one and both wound up with injuries. Related?

Both Cora, and Bloom I think had a hand in the decision making for Houck, and Whitlock. If Sale had been healthy to start the season I don’t believe Houck, or Whitlock would have started. Houck was the first choice when Sale was injured, and Whitlock only was put into a starting role when Houck wasn’t vaxed. With all the injuries to the rotation during the year both Houck, and Whitlock probably would have ended up there anyway, which would weaken the BP in the process, which was already weak to begin with.

[Bellhorn04]

The one thing I struggle with who to blame is the decision on Houck and Whitlock. Both of those guys were kind of put into pitching purgatory again this season with neither having an idea if they'd be a starter or reliever. They both got yanked around from day one and both wound up with injuries. Related?

 

Pure speculation if any of that led to injuries. Pitchers live a fragile life.

[notin]

Both Cora, and Bloom I think had a hand in the decision making for Houck, and Whitlock. If Sale had been healthy to start the season I don’t believe Houck, or Whitlock would have started. Houck was the first choice when Sale was injured, and Whitlock only was put into a starting role when Houck wasn’t vaxed. With all the injuries to the rotation during the year both Houck, and Whitlock probably would have ended up there anyway, which would weaken the BP in the process, which was already weak to begin with.

 

I don’t know what lead to the decision to use Houck as the emergency starter, but that’s one of those things that might (hopefully) have been avoided during a normal off-season when Sale would have been able to report his injury when he got injured rather than keeping it air for two months…

[Maxbialystock]

Both Cora, and Bloom I think had a hand in the decision making for Houck, and Whitlock. If Sale had been healthy to start the season I don’t believe Houck, or Whitlock would have started. Houck was the first choice when Sale was injured, and Whitlock only was put into a starting role when Houck wasn’t vaxed. With all the injuries to the rotation during the year both Houck, and Whitlock probably would have ended up there anyway, which would weaken the BP in the process, which was already weak to begin with.

 

Agree.

[mvp 78]

Both Cora, and Bloom I think had a hand in the decision making for Houck, and Whitlock. If Sale had been healthy to start the season I don’t believe Houck, or Whitlock would have started. Houck was the first choice when Sale was injured, and Whitlock only was put into a starting role when Houck wasn’t vaxed. With all the injuries to the rotation during the year both Houck, and Whitlock probably would have ended up there anyway, which would weaken the BP in the process, which was already weak to begin with.

 

Jerking around two young pitchers like that was a s*** move. As the results showed, they shouldn't have done that. The bullpen to starter pipeline is usually done with much more care than we saw this year. I'm not going to say this was Dusty Baker level ********, but this is the one thing that really irked me this year more than anything.

[mvp 78]

Pure speculation if any of that led to injuries. Pitchers live a fragile life.

 

Ok, but I think regardless of injury, it doesn't set up either player for success. It was a bad plan.

[mvp 78]

I don’t know what lead to the decision to use Houck as the emergency starter, but that’s one of those things that might (hopefully) have been avoided during a normal off-season when Sale would have been able to report his injury when he got injured rather than keeping it air for two months…

 

And Houck had been used as a starter the prior season. It made sense to keep him there if that was the plan. It also made sense to transition him to the bullpen because he's not really a closer. I can see why they'd rather have Whitlock in the rotation. Long term, I'd rather have Whitlock in the rotation too. However, I think moving these two guys around so quickly early in the season didn't make a whole lot of sense. Don't use those two to plug holes. Figure out their roles in the Spring Training and use other pieces to fill emergency gaps throughout the season as needed.

[Old Red]

Jerking around two young pitchers like that was a s*** move. As the results showed, they shouldn't have done that. The bullpen to starter pipeline is usually done with much more care than we saw this year. I'm not going to say this was Dusty Baker level ********, but this is the one thing that really irked me this year more than anything.

 

I agree, and playing piggyback was another.

[Old Red]

And Houck had been used as a starter the prior season. It made sense to keep him there if that was the plan. It also made sense to transition him to the bullpen because he's not really a closer. I can see why they'd rather have Whitlock in the rotation. Long term, I'd rather have Whitlock in the rotation too. However, I think moving these two guys around so quickly early in the season didn't make a whole lot of sense. Don't use those two to plug holes. Figure out their roles in the Spring Training and use other pieces to fill emergency gaps throughout the season as needed.

There may have been a plan to start the season, before Sale’s injury was known, but when it was Cora, and Bloom didn’t know what to do, and made decisions on the fly, and to me it showed.

[notin]

There may have been a plan to start the season, before Sale’s injury was known, but when it was Cora, and Bloom didn’t know what to do, and made decisions on the fly, and to me it showed.

 

At least we hope it was done on the fly, realizing with 2 weeks to go they’re downs SP all of the sudden.

 

But I have no idea what the plan ever was for Whitlock or Houck…

[moonslav59]

Iron sharpens iron. There are a ton of Wild Card spots now. I don't think the "tough schedule" thing is a good excuse in the Wild Card era.

 

No, it's not. Currently, they are 4 games behind SEA for the last WC slot, and finishing with the 7th best AL record, with their schedule is nothing for them to be ashamed of.

[mvp 78]

There may have been a plan to start the season, before Sale’s injury was known, but when it was Cora, and Bloom didn’t know what to do, and made decisions on the fly, and to me it showed.

 

It's why you don't fill up your payroll with James Paxton $$$ and older players like Rich Hill, Michael Wacha, Nathan Eovaldi and Chris Sale that inevitably need IL time. It was a bad plan. They needed some workhorses. They needed the Martin Perez type signings to just throw reasonable innings.

 

In the past, Bloom was willing to throw Ryan Weber out there as a starter. If that was the case, why jerk Whitlock around midseason and just grab a low ceiling AAA guy or churn throw the Brad Peacocks of the world?

[moonslav59]

There may have been a plan to start the season, before Sale’s injury was known, but when it was Cora, and Bloom didn’t know what to do, and made decisions on the fly, and to me it showed.

 

You keep saying "his injury was known."

 

They put him on the IL on April 4th. Please read the last sentence.)

 

Boston placed left-hander Chris Sale on the 60-day injured list with a right rib stress fracture, the team announced on Monday (April 4th). The seven-time All-Star won't be eligible to return until at least June.

 

The news comes on the heels of Sale saying earlier in the day that he hoped to return to throwing by the end of the week or early next week.

 

Was Bloom supposed to find an ace after April 4th?

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/04/boston-red-soxs-chris-sale-on-60-day-il-stint-i-definitely-thought-i-was-going-to-be-ready-quicker-than-that.html

[moonslav59]

It's why you don't fill up your payroll with James Paxton $$$ and older players like Rich Hill, Michael Wacha, Nathan Eovaldi and Chris Sale that inevitably need IL time. It was a bad plan. They needed some workhorses. They needed the Martin Perez type signings to just throw reasonable innings.

 

In the past, Bloom was willing to throw Ryan Weber out there as a starter. If that was the case, why jerk Whitlock around midseason and just grab a low ceiling AAA guy or churn throw the Brad Peacocks of the world?

 

Bloom got bashed for signing Perez, twice. Had he signed him for the third time, I'm not sure a single soul would have applauded the move.

[moonslav59]

Most IP by Sox SP'ers by season:

 

2020 (COVID 60 Game Season)

62 Perez

48 Nate

25 Godley

23 Mazza

19 Weber

17 Houck

14 Brewer

10 Pivetta

9 Hart

7 Kickham

4 Triggs

8 Hall+Osich+Brice+Brasier+Lever

 

2021

182 Nate

157 ERod

154 Pivetta

110 Richards

100 Perez

59 Houck

43 Sale

7 Seabold+Peacock+Crawford

 

2022 (not finished)

166 Pivetta

120 Wacha

107 Hill

100 Nate

67 Wink

61 Crawford

42 Bello

39 Whitlock

17 Houck

6 Davis

6 Sale