2022 Bullpen Thread

[mvp 78]

Every team loses a bunch of free agents every year, and contenders almost never replenish for the following season at the deadline. I think the Sox go one way or another.

 

That said, if the Sox can pawn off Diekman for an underrated AAA outfielder even capable of being a weak side platoon, I’m all for it…

 

Just get someone to eat his contract.

[notin]

Just get someone to eat his contract.

 

I don’t care if the Sox pick up the tab. I’d rather he take the mound against Boston rather than for them…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don’t care if the Sox pick up the tab. I’d rather he take the mound against Boston rather than for them…

 

No! As of right now, the only Red Sox he's throwing at gets to protect himself with shin guards, chest shield and metal mask...

[Bellhorn04]

Just get someone to eat his contract.

 

Who would want to eat the 2023 contract of the Dreckster?

[notin]

Who would want to eat the 2023 contract of the Dreckster?

 

Offload another deal? Acquire additional prospect (like the Sox did with Ottavino)? Acquire a draft pick?

[mvp 78]

Who would want to eat the 2023 contract of the Dreckster?

 

Bloom thought it looked good at one point. His eyes were bigger than his stomach.

[notin]

No! As of right now, the only Red Sox he's throwing at gets to protect himself with shin guards, chest shield and metal mask...

 

He has hit fewer batters than Houck…

[moonslav59]

I don’t care if the Sox pick up the tab. I’d rather he take the mound against Boston rather than for them…

 

I feel the same. Expecting to get anything for him, including Salary relief is unrealistic.

[Bellhorn04]

Offload another deal? Acquire additional prospect (like the Sox did with Ottavino)? Acquire a draft pick?

 

Dreck is worthless, so you have to get darn creative. It's kind of like the rock soup story.

[mvp 78]

I feel the same. Expecting to get anything for him, including Salary relief is unrealistic.

 

He is a lefty though. Some teams just need a lefty that k's guys and will take a chance if there's minimal risk.

[moonslav59]

He is a lefty though. Some teams just need a lefty that k's guys and will take a chance if there's minimal risk.

 

They need a lefty who is better than what they have. Drek is not better than any MLB lefty, right now.

 

We might get some low level prospect if we pay half his salary, but I expect nothing.

[notin]

He is a lefty though. Some teams just need a lefty that k's guys and will take a chance if there's minimal risk.

 

LHRPs were more valuable before the 3 batter minimum rule…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He has hit fewer batters than Houck…

 

Houck would be one of the first players I'd move if they're selling. His trade value might never be higher.

[moonslav59]

Houck would be one of the first players I'd move if they're selling. His trade value might never be higher.

 

We have so few core players with 2+ years of team control, so I think trading one of them worries me. Of course, what we get in return, and should be something very good, matters more.

[dgalehouse]

The bullpen is the biggest weakness of this team. And it has been for a while. To this point , it has not been adequately addressed. That is disappointing because a strong bullpen is vital in MLB today.

[moonslav59]

The bullpen is the biggest weakness of this team. And it has been for a while. To this point , it has not been adequately addressed. That is disappointing because a strong bullpen is vital in MLB today.

 

I’m not disagreeing, but if our starters were healthy, our pen would be much stronger

[Bellhorn04]

I’m not disagreeing, but if our starters were healthy, our pen would be much stronger

 

Our pen was shaky even before starters began getting injured.

 

As of now we have 3 relievers we all like-Houck, Whitlock and Schreiber.

[moonslav59]

Our pen was shaky even before starters began getting injured.

 

As of now we have 3 relievers we all like-Houck, Whitlock and Schreiber.

 

3 more than before.

 

We could also have seen Crawford, Wink & maybe Hill in the pen.

[Bellhorn04]

3 more than before.

 

We could also have seen Crawford, Wink & maybe Hill in the pen.

 

? Houck and Whitlock were in the pen at the start of the season.

[moonslav59]

? Houck and Whitlock were in the pen at the start of the season.

 

I said “before” not at the start, but yes, there were times they both were in the pen.

[Kimmi]

If you go full on sellers, you deal Devers too

 

The Red Sox are not going to be full on sellers.

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox are not going to be full on sellers.

 

We likely won't even trade all the 2022 free agents at the deadline.

 

There is no need to have a total make-over, start from scratch, do-over.

[Kimmi]

We likely won't even trade all the 2022 free agents at the deadline.

 

There is no need to have a total make-over, start from scratch, do-over.

 

Unless the Sox are blown away with an offer, I don't see them trading any of their regular starters. I don't see them punting this season to gain a small improvement in the long term outlook. At the same time, they won't hurt the future outlook in hopes of winning this year.

 

I foresee adding small reinforcements and banking on the players that we have to be healthy and to perform like they are capable of performing.

[mvp 78]

Unless the Sox are blown away with an offer, I don't see them trading any of their regular starters. I don't see them punting this season to gain a small improvement in the long term outlook. At the same time, they won't hurt the future outlook in hopes of winning this year.

 

I foresee adding small reinforcements and banking on the players that we have to be healthy and to perform like they are capable of performing.

 

Isn't it more important to set yourself up for the future and stock pile your assets in the farm? I thought that was job #1 these days, not just running out the clock because some fans want to see Xander for 2 more months in a Red Sox uni?

[Bellhorn04]

Isn't it more important to set yourself up for the future and stock pile your assets in the farm? I thought that was job #1 these days, not just running out the clock because some fans want to see Xander for 2 more months in a Red Sox uni?

 

But not completely at the expense of competing in the current season. That's the balance Bloom is trying to strike.

[moonslav59]

Unless the Sox are blown away with an offer, I don't see them trading any of their regular starters. I don't see them punting this season to gain a small improvement in the long term outlook. At the same time, they won't hurt the future outlook in hopes of winning this year.

 

I foresee adding small reinforcements and banking on the players that we have to be healthy and to perform like they are capable of performing.

 

Why do you assume it would be a small improvement?

 

Bloom got Pivetta and Seabold for Workman & Hembree.

 

Surely, we have better talent to trade than those two.

 

I'm not saying Bloom can find 9 Pivettas at the deadline by trading our 9 free agents to be, but he certainly can significantly improve our long term outlook by trading 4-5 of our top last year players. He may even get a player or two, like Pivetta, that can help right away,

[moonslav59]

But not completely at the expense of competing in the current season. That's the balance Bloom is trying to strike.

 

There will be no balance, if we are out of it at the deadline.

 

If Bloom thinks we have a legit shot at a ring, he won't be a seller.

 

Maybe, there is a small chance, he things we could win, but he still rolls the dice on the future over 2022. I doubt it, but I wonder about how Bloom and Henry are ordering the priorities.

 

To me, I have my doubts we can win a ring, this year. I have not given up, but I'm thinking even if we are very near the 3rd WC slot at the deadline, maybe selling might still be best. Key word: MAYBE.

 

I'm not convinced selling is the best idea, but it is gaining ground in my mind, as of now.

[Kimmi]

Isn't it more important to set yourself up for the future and stock pile your assets in the farm? I thought that was job #1 these days, not just running out the clock because some fans want to see Xander for 2 more months in a Red Sox uni?

 

The priority is long term sustainability, but that doesn't mean completely punting away the present. It's not running out the clock just to see Xander for 2 more months. It's keeping the Red Sox in contention and getting them into the playoffs.

[Kimmi]

But not completely at the expense of competing in the current season. That's the balance Bloom is trying to strike.

 

You said that much better than I did.

[Kimmi]

Why do you assume it would be a small improvement?

 

Bloom got Pivetta and Seabold for Workman & Hembree.

 

Surely, we have better talent to trade than those two.

 

I'm not saying Bloom can find 9 Pivettas at the deadline by trading our 9 free agents to be, but he certainly can significantly improve our long term outlook by trading 4-5 of our top last year players. He may even get a player or two, like Pivetta, that can help right away,

 

I'm not saying it would necessarily be a small improvement. But I wouldn't significantly hurt this year's chances by trading Bogaerts unless it's an offer that simply can't be turned down. I'm not willing to give up on this year with almost half the games remaining.