2022 Bullpen Thread

[JDavis76]

We really shouldn't be having closer tryouts at this point . That is a lack of planning. Not a good way to operate.

 

Do you put that on chaim or cora?

 

or maybe both?

[Old Red]

We really shouldn't be having closer tryouts at this point . That is a lack of planning. Not a good way to operate.

 

I agree with you that Bloom, and Cora are to blame.

[dgalehouse]

We just wasted Hill & Houck for two games, now.

 

Time to name Houck the closer and take the training wheels off Hill.

 

Houck has good stuff , but that doesn't necessarily mean he can be an effective closer. His shortcomings were in evidence today. They can try him there and hope for the best. Personally , I would give the job to Robles at this point. But this is not how you run a team that hopes to compete for a title.

[dgalehouse]

Do you put that on chaim or cora?

 

or maybe both?

 

I would put it mostly on Bloom . He put the roster together. Cora has to try and make it work.

[JDavis76]

I would put it mostly on Bloom . He put the roster together. Cora has to try and make it work.

 

maybe cora told chaim "I have a plan"?

[moonslav59]

maybe cora told chaim "I have a plan"?

 

I'm pretty sure there was some back and forth about roster construction over the winter. Maybe Cora was okay with what he was given. Maybe they discussed making summer moves, if needed. Maybe Cora was unhappy all along.

 

We do know, some of the money spent on JBJ and Story could have been used on pitching.

 

Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm pretty sure there was some back and forth about roster construction over the winter. Maybe Cora was okay with what he was given. Maybe they discussed making summer moves, if needed. Maybe Cora was unhappy all along.

 

We do know, some of the money spent on JBJ and Story could have been used on pitching.

 

Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.

 

When acquiring free agent pitchers, Bloom seems to look for the less obvious guys. It seems to have worked well with Wacha and Hill, but not so much with relievers.

[moonslav59]

When acquiring free agent pitchers, Bloom seems to look for the less obvious guys. It seems to have worked well with Wacha and Hill, but not so much with relievers.

 

It's hard to guess right on RP'ers with sketchy resumes.

 

Last year, Bloom swung and missed on the starters: Richards and Perez. Kike and Renfroe were good, but Marwin and Sawamura not so good.

 

[Bellhorn04]

It's hard to guess right on RP'ers with sketchy resumes.

 

Last year, Bloom swung and missed on the starters: Richards and Perez. Kike and Renfroe were good, but Marwin and Sawamura not so good.

 

 

The one "obvious" pitcher Bloom acquired was Ottavino, although it was in a quirky deal.

[Larry Cook]

Two losses in a row due to continued bullpen dumpster fire!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Two losses in a row due to continued bullpen dumpster fire!

 

... except they can't blow a save if the offense doesn't score a single run in support.

[moonslav59]

... except they can't blow a save if the offense doesn't score a single run in support.

 

Then, we can say the pen has turned things around.

 

Oh, the silliness of using blown saves to judge relief pitching.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Then, we can say the pen has turned things around.

 

Oh, the silliness of using blown saves to judge relief pitching.

 

It's not the relievers' fault they inherited that stat. Whoops, they just allowed it to score.

[Old Red]

Old friend Daniel Bard pick up his 8th save yesterday. To bad the Red Sox didn’t have someone like that.

[mvp 78]

Ok, so I heard that Houck has been moved to the pen and is no longer in the rotation. If that's the case, why just have him in a piggy back role? Why not have him as the closer? Doesn't that solve the biggest need this team has?

[Old Red]

Ok, so I heard that Houck has been moved to the pen and is no longer in the rotation. If that's the case, why just have him in a piggy back role? Why not have him as the closer? Doesn't that solve the biggest need this team has?

 

If he can close yes it would, but I think he’s to inconsistent from inning to inning to be a closer, but at this point the Red Sox have nothing to lose.

[mvp 78]

If he can close yes it would, but I think he’s to inconsistent from inning to inning to be a closer, but at this point the Red Sox have nothing to lose.

 

He has a 0.00 ERA 1st time through the order this year.

[Old Red]

He has a 0.00 ERA 1st time through the order this year.

 

I don’t think it has anything to do with how many times he goes through the order, but his motion gets out of whack like yesterday. First inning was great, but not so good after that.

[mvp 78]

I don’t think it has anything to do with how many times he goes through the order, but his motion gets out of whack like yesterday. First inning was great, but not so good after that.

 

As a closer, he only needs to be good in the first inning. Career 0.95 ERA in the 1st inning.

[Old Red]

Stats don’t lie. Let’s do it.

[dgalehouse]

Then, we can say the pen has turned things around.

 

Oh, the silliness of using blown saves to judge relief pitching.

Not silly at all. When the bullpen is handed a lead late in the game , it is their job to hold it. A " blown save" just indicates that they did not do that.

[notin]

Not until I transition.

 

Well until then it will just be a nickname…

[notin]

Not silly at all. When the bullpen is handed a lead late in the game , it is their job to hold it. A " blown save" just indicates that they did not do that.

 

Unless it’s a lead of 4 runs or larger, in which case - no foul…

[notin]

We really shouldn't be having closer tryouts at this point . That is a lack of planning. Not a good way to operate.

 

 

Teams do it all the time.

 

Koji was Plan C at closer for the 2013 WS Champion team…

[dgalehouse]

Teams do it all the time.

 

Koji was Plan C at closer for the 2013 WS Champion team…

 

Always possible to find an exception to the rule. You do that well. Doesn't change the idea that this is not a good way to run a ballclub.

[moonslav59]

Not silly at all. When the bullpen is handed a lead late in the game , it is their job to hold it. A " blown save" just indicates that they did not do that.

 

Some of the other aspects of the way a save is determined is silly, and my point was more about judging a pen mostly on "saves," especially with this new ghost runner thing giving some teams multiple blown saves in just one extra inning game, when a pitcher might not even allow a hit or baserunner to reach base.

 

Yup, silly, to me, in many ways.

 

That doesn't mean I think a RP'er who allows the tying run to score should be viewed as a good thing or ignored.

[mvp 78]

You don't need to look at blown saves to see how bad this pen is.

 

fWAR - 28th (IP 8th)

FIP - 25th

BB/9 - 24th

HR/9 - 24th

LOB% - 29th

WHIP - 23rd

[mvp 78]

In 2020, A700 called the pen a bunch of pigs. Well, it looks like this crew is a bunch of pigs too.

[JDavis76]

Some of the other aspects of the way a save is determined is silly, and my point was more about judging a pen mostly on "saves," especially with this new ghost runner thing giving some teams multiple blown saves in just one extra inning game, when a pitcher might not even allow a hit or baserunner to reach base.

 

Yup, silly, to me, in many ways.

 

That doesn't mean I think a RP'er who allows the tying run to score should be viewed as a good thing or ignored.

 

And any reliever who blows a save should not ever be in line to claim the win. (IMO)

[moonslav59]

And any reliever who blows a save should not ever be in line to claim the win. (IMO)

 

Agreed, and that is but one silly part about the save stat.