trade deadline

[moonslav59]

I'm not sure why you want to trade our starting pitching for PTBNL. If we were out of contention, then sure, but not while we're in the midst of a playoff chase.

 

The plan is to replace Richards or Perez with Sale and use the money saved to trade for an even better pitcher and maybe 1Bman, too.

 

Buyers and sellers.

[moonslav59]

No kidding. The trade deadline is a time for contenders to increase pitching depth, not deplete it...

 

We still could.

 

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[notin]

The plan is to replace Richards or Perez with Sale and use the money saved to trade for an even better pitcher and maybe 1Bman, too.

 

Buyers and sellers.

 

Not really sure Richards and/or Perez are that high on anyone's shopping list.

 

At some point, the Sox will need another starter, who presumably will also cost money. Sure Houck can take some games but if any Sox pitcher gets injured, then who? Especially with ERod up in the air right now, depleting the rotation is a very, very bad idea...

[notin]

We still could.

 

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So you think the Sox can drop Perez and his $6mill salary and add a 1B and another SP and still stay under? If they do that, they are probably adding a pitcher worse than Perez...

[moonslav59]

Not really sure Richards and/or Perez are that high on anyone's shopping list.

 

 

It's not about getting anything good for one of them. We may even pay some or most of what we owe one of them.

 

The little money saved is added to what we have to spend, already, and in theory, we can get 1-2 players better than we could have before or 1more player than planned.

 

We then trade for a a couple salary dump-type players- maybe 2 pitchers or a pitcher and 1Bman.

 

When we add Sale and Sawamura, we end up with more pitching depth than before trading Richards or Perez.

 

You can disagree with the idea, but don't say we are not adding depth.

[moonslav59]

At some point, the Sox will need another starter, who presumably will also cost money. Sure Houck can take some games but if any Sox pitcher gets injured, then who? Especially with ERod up in the air right now, depleting the rotation is a very, very bad idea...

 

We trade for a pitcher better than Richards or Perez, or we trade for a RP'er or 2 (or SP+ RP) and can move Houck to a starting role. It's not like he's never started before.

[mvp 78]

We trade for a pitcher better than Richards or Perez, or we trade for a RP'er or 2 (or SP+ RP) and can move Houck to a starting role. It's not like he's never started before.

 

Houck just doesn't pitch as well the second time through the order. I don't think he could ever go through it a third time.

[sk7326]

Houck just doesn't pitch as well the second time through the order. I don't think he could ever go through it a third time.

 

Until Houck has a consistent approach to get lefties out, he's a pretty strict 2 times through the order guy - that's how the Sox have gotten mileage out of him.

 

Now, it would be nice to be able to land - say, Kyle Gibson ... but I doubt that Bloom is going to pay the price there.

[sk7326]

Anyway, to me the trade deadline is pretty simple for the Sox. The priorities are simple, and probably can be met without big headline acquisitions

 

1. Pitching depth

2. Raising the floor at 1B

 

Getting a corner bat should not be difficult. Even if it is a Steve Pearce sort, that could have an outsized impact given what the position is giving the Sox right now. Garrett Cooper seems like he'd be right in the wheelhouse there, especially with some significant team control left.

[moonslav59]

Houck just doesn't pitch as well the second time through the order. I don't think he could ever go through it a third time.

 

I've been very cautious on Houck, but the sample size is small or even tiny. (Houck has 5 PAs on 3rd time arounds.)

 

I'll ask this:

 

How do Perez and Richards do the 1st, 2nd and 3rd time around?

 

I see Houck as an improvement or at least a possible improvement getting very near the point where we try and find out.

 

Besides, my idea of trading Richards or Perez does NOT involve making Houck a starter. He remains the starter depth, just in case.

 

[notin]

Anyway, to me the trade deadline is pretty simple for the Sox. The priorities are simple, and probably can be met without big headline acquisitions

 

1. Pitching depth

2. Raising the floor at 1B

 

Getting a corner bat should not be difficult. Even if it is a Steve Pearce sort, that could have an outsized impact given what the position is giving the Sox right now. Garrett Cooper seems like he'd be right in the wheelhouse there, especially with some significant team control left.

 

Garrett Cooper would be my top choice, but he injured his elbow in a collision at 1b last week and is currently on the IL with no timetable for a return I’m aware of. But otherwise, he’d be a great add, I agree.

 

I also agree the Steven Pearce style add is more likely than, say, Rizzo. I keep throwing Matt Beaty out there since he makes a ton of sense, but he’s apparently one of this bench players that is needed by his current team and seems pretty underrated. Problem is, I don’t think he’s that underrated by Friedman…

Edited July 26, 2021 by notin

[moonslav59]

Garrett Cooper would be my top choice, but he injured his elbow in a collision at 1b last week and is currently on the IL with no timetable for a return I’m aware of. But otherwise, he’d be a great add, I agree.

 

I also agree the Steven Pearce style add is more likely than, say, Rizzo. I keep throwing Matt Beaty out there since he makes a ton of sense, but he’s apparently one of this bench players that is needed by his current team and seems pretty underrated. Problem is, I don’t think he’s that underrated by Friedman…

 

We could give them Chavis in return... LOL!

[mvp 78]

I've been very cautious on Houck, but the sample size is small or even tiny. (Houck has 5 PAs on 3rd time arounds.)

 

I'll ask this:

 

How do Perez and Richards do the 1st, 2nd and 3rd time around?

 

I see Houck as an improvement or at least a possible improvement getting very near the point where we try and find out.

 

Besides, my idea of trading Richards or Perez does NOT involve making Houck a starter. He remains the starter depth, just in case.

 

 

He might be better than Perez and Richards, but he's not a magic bullet for this rotation.

[mvp 78]

Garrett Cooper would be my top choice, but he injured his elbow in a collision at 1b last week and is currently on the IL with no timetable for a return I’m aware of. But otherwise, he’d be a great add, I agree.

 

I also agree the Steven Pearce style add is more likely than, say, Rizzo. I keep throwing Matt Beaty out there since he makes a ton of sense, but he’s apparently one of this bench players that is needed by his current team and seems pretty underrated. Problem is, I don’t think he’s that underrated by Friedman…

 

Carlos Santana

[moonslav59]

He might be better than Perez and Richards, but he's not a magic bullet for this rotation.

 

No, and my idea is to not have him in the rotation unless there is another injury.

[moonslav59]

BTV accepted this trade, and all values came out exactly even:

 

To BOS: Jon Gray & CJ Cron

 

To OAK: Richards, Sawamura & $4M cash (out of $6.4M owed)

 

To COL: Groome, Potts & Guldberg (from OAK)

 

We could then trade for another RP'er.

[moonslav59]

BTV Trade:

 

To BOS: Gibson (SP), Kennedy (RP), N Lowe (1B)

 

To TEX: Downs, Dalbec, Groome, Ro Hernandez

[notin]

Carlos Santana

 

Another good option. His spray chart from the left side is not ideal for Fenway (he primarily has warning track power and is a dead pull hitter), but I’d take him nonetheless…

[notin]

BTV accepted this trade, and all values came out exactly even:

 

To BOS: Jon Gray & CJ Cron

 

To OAK: Richards, Sawamura & $4M cash (out of $6.4M owed)

 

To COL: Groome, Potts & Guldberg (from OAK)

 

We could then trade for another RP'er.

 

So the Sox trade 2 pitchers and get one back?

 

I do like Gray, but how much of an upgrade is he over Richards? Enough to merit unloading Sawamura?

[moonslav59]

So the Sox trade 2 pitchers and get one back?

 

I do like Gray, but how much of an upgrade is he over Richards? Enough to merit unloading Sawamura?

 

My last line was we trade for a RP'er. That's 2 for 2 plus Sale (maybe minus ERod).

 

Gray > Richards

[moonslav59]

BTV accepted

 

Ro Hernandez, Groome, Potts & Rosario

 

for

 

Aguilar (1B), Thompson (SP) & Bleier (RP)

 

Jesus Aguilar .791OPS (17 HRs & 71 RBI)

 

Zach Thompson 2.45 ERA/ 1.061 WHIP

 

Richard Bleier 2.82 ERA/o.861 WHIP

Edited July 26, 2021 by moonslav59

[notin]

Christian Walker is having a meh season but is normally a good hitter. He’s sort of a wild card in the mix.

 

The DBacks do have a top 1b prospect in Seth Beer they might want to make room for. Reportedly their minor league infield depth is weak. Hudson Potts for Walker…

[moonslav59]

Christian Walker is having a meh season but is normally a good hitter. He’s sort of a wild card in the mix.

 

The DBacks do have a top 1b prospect in Seth Beer they might want to make room for. Reportedly their minor league infield depth is weak. Hudson Potts for Walker…

 

I'd rather have Dalbec + Cordero/Kike/Marwin

[Nick]

I've been very cautious on Houck, but the sample size is small or even tiny. (Houck has 5 PAs on 3rd time arounds.)

 

I'll ask this:

 

How do Perez and Richards do the 1st, 2nd and 3rd time around?

 

I see Houck as an improvement or at least a possible improvement getting very near the point where we try and find out.

 

Besides, my idea of trading Richards or Perez does NOT involve making Houck a starter. He remains the starter depth, just in case.

 

 

Red Sox Stats

@redsoxstats

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Over his last 8 starts Perez is averaging 3.2 IP with a 6.23 ERA and batters are hitting .362/.417/.608 off of him.

 

For the season the second time through a lineup opponents are hitting .326 with a .391 OBP.

His grip on a starting spot seems tenuous.

 

I posted this earlier.

[moonslav59]

This looks like a steal for the Sox, but the BTV value is 32.4 to LAA and 28.4to BOS.

 

Downs, Dalbec & Groome

 

for Walsh(1B) & R Iglesias (RP)

 

Jared Walsh .832 OPS (22 HRs & 66 RBI) 4+ yrs of control

 

Raisel Iglesias 3.43 ERA/ 0.918 WHIP (13.5 K/9 and 1.6 BB/9) rental

[moonslav59]

Red Sox Stats

@redsoxstats

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Over his last 8 starts Perez is averaging 3.2 IP with a 6.23 ERA and batters are hitting .362/.417/.608 off of him.

 

For the season the second time through a lineup opponents are hitting .326 with a .391 OBP.

His grip on a starting spot seems tenuous.

 

I posted this earlier.

 

Yes, I know his grip on a slot is tenuous. His last start was not bad, so he'll get one or two more, unless we trade him.

 

I'm okay with moving Houck into the rotation, when needed. I'm not sure now is the time, unless weplace ERod on the IL.

 

Richards and Perez will get 1-2 more starts, minimum.

[Nick]

Yes, I know his grip on a slot is tenuous. His last start was not bad, so he'll get one or two more, unless we trade him.

 

I'm okay with moving Houck into the rotation, when needed. I'm not sure now is the time, unless weplace ERod on the IL.

 

Richards and Perez will get 1-2 more starts, minimum.

 

This was more for the poster that thought Houck would struggle second time around the lineup. Not sure Houck would do any worse than Perez.

[notin]

This was more for the poster that thought Houck would struggle second time around the lineup. Not sure Houck would do any worse than Perez.

 

I’d be a bit wary of Houck as a starter. His numbers are impressive to date, but he only has 35 innings in MLB and his numbers in the minors were worse than his numbers in the majors. His success might not be as sustainable as we hope and it’s not hard to fathom him doing worse than the recent stretch of Perez.

 

I think he might have a solid career in the bullpen. But I lack confidence in him as anything more than a spot starter…

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox Stats

@redsoxstats

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11h

Over his last 8 starts Perez is averaging 3.2 IP with a 6.23 ERA and batters are hitting .362/.417/.608 off of him.

 

For the season the second time through a lineup opponents are hitting .326 with a .391 OBP.

His grip on a starting spot seems tenuous.

 

I posted this earlier.

 

And in his last 7 starts Perez's ERA is 3.55.

 

The guys at Red Sox Stats are cherry-pickers just like us!

[mvp 78]

This was more for the poster that thought Houck would struggle second time around the lineup. Not sure Houck would do any worse than Perez.

 

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