trade deadline

[Noles_1335]

Being that the deadline is approaching quickly... who might the names be on the move and who are we targeting? Do we find a 1B ( Schoop, Rizzo) or find another arm to help the rotation. Big splash in Max or play it safe and with a smaller contract and get the bat and smaller contract pitcher.

[mvp 78]

They don't go for Rizzo.

 

They may look for a lower rung starter to help ease the innings (Jake Peavy).

[moonslav59]

I'd like to see us trade for a salary dump pitcher, so the return package does not have to be much. Just keep the budget below the tax line. When Sale returns, Perez and Richards replace 2 from Workman, Rios and Andriese.

 

I doubt we add a 1Bman, but if we do it will be a very low profile deal.

[Nick]

I'd like to see us trade for a salary dump pitcher, so the return package does not have to be much. Just keep the budget below the tax line. When Sale returns, Perez and Richards replace 2 from Workman, Rios and Andriese.

 

I doubt we add a 1Bman, but if we do it will be a very low profile deal.

 

It maybe easier to find an outfielder/infielder and move Kike to 1B. If we trade for an average 1B, we're basically stuck with him and he'll get the bats that he may not deserve....

 

Arroyo going to IL has screwed things up. I'm inclined to go with the lineup we had when Arroyo got hurt. Just change positions. I think you've said it before, turn Kike into a super utility guy that plays every day, just at different positions.

[Nick]

Time to go big was at the beginning of 2021 and not on July 31, 2021.

 

Sox took calculated risks and for most part it has paid off.

 

Locking up couple of players will be expensive.

 

I think we'll extend E Rod, start the conversation on Dever's extension and maybe rework Xander's contract this winter. Sox likes Eovaldi and JD also. It'll be expensive without really adding new talent.

 

That means 'fringe' players making any money will be considered for trade, etc. Richards, Martin and Ottavino (obviously he's not a fringe pitcher) comes to mind.

 

We only get relief from Pedey's contract this year and Price's contract next year. I doubt we let JD go. We have no replacement and he's one of our top 3 hitters. We can't afford to lose Devers, Xander and JD.

[moonslav59]

It maybe easier to find an outfielder/infielder and move Kike to 1B. If we trade for an average 1B, we're basically stuck with him and he'll get the bats that he may not deserve....

 

Arroyo going to IL has screwed things up. I'm inclined to go with the lineup we had when Arroyo got hurt. Just change positions. I think you've said it before, turn Kike into a super utility guy that plays every day, just at different positions.

 

1Bmen are a dime a dozen, and all we need is a 2 month rental.

 

Kike is too good of a defensive player to stick at 1B, long term.

 

I'm okay with playing him there, so Duran can play, but it should not be the plan.

[moonslav59]

Time to go big was at the beginning of 2021 and not on July 31, 2021.

 

Sox took calculated risks and for most part it has paid off.

 

Locking up couple of players will be expensive.

 

I think we'll extend E Rod, start the conversation on Dever's extension and maybe rework Xander's contract this winter. Sox likes Eovaldi and JD also. It'll be expensive without really adding new talent.

 

That means 'fringe' players making any money will be considered for trade, etc. Richards, Martin and Ottavino (obviously he's not a fringe pitcher) comes to mind.

 

We only get relief from Pedey's contract this year and Price's contract next year. I doubt we let JD go. We have no replacement and he's one of our top 3 hitters. We can't afford to lose Devers, Xander and JD.

 

The problem with replacing JD's bat is that extending JD might not really "replace" this production. He is due to decline- any minute, now.

 

I'd love to extend him, but at what cost?

 

I'm not sure ERod is the best pitching option for 2022 and beyond, either. I love the guy, but there are still questions (as with any FA signing).

 

Extending Bogey and Devers has to be a priority.

 

Ottavino is a FA, so trading him, next winter is impossible.

 

Richards has a big option, so I'm not sure any team wants him at that cost. The rest of 2021 may change that.

 

Perez has a decent option, but I think we keep him as a long man. We lose Richards and ERod, and add a FA, Sale & Whitlock to the rotation. (I think we keep Houck as the long man- spot starter.)

[moonslav59]

Time to go big was at the beginning of 2021 and not on July 31, 2021.

 

 

At no time during 2021, do I feel was or will be "the time to go big," unless we are talking December 2021.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom isn't trading good prospects for a Rizzo when Casas could be ready sometime in 2022. The Sox might add a Moreland type to the Dalbec-Santana-Marwin platoon. No way Kike is playing first; he's decent in center and Cora loves him at second.

 

The Sox will shoot for a good starting pitcher or at least an innings eater, but the main resources will be used to acquire an established bullpen arm; they can't rely on Richards or Perez converting to a new role. But it won't be Kimbrel; not when Richard Rodriquez makes a tenth of Cardiac Craig's salary...

[moonslav59]

Bloom isn't trading good prospects for a Rizzo when Casas could be ready sometime in 2022. The Sox might add a Moreland type to the Dalbec-Santana-Marwin platoon. No way Kike is playing first; he's decent in center and Cora loves him at second.

 

The Sox will shoot for a good starting pitcher or at least an innings eater, but the main resources will be used to acquire an established bullpen arm; they can't rely on Richards or Perez converting to a new role. But it won't be Kimbrel; not when Richard Rodriquez makes a tenth of Cardiac Craig's salary...

 

We don't have much budget space, so we may just get one decent player, which to me should be a SP'er, or two lower cost players (P + P or P + 1B).

[Bellhorn04]

1Bmen are a dime a dozen, and all we need is a 2 month rental.

 

So who do we spend that 8/10 of a penny on?

[mvp 78]

It maybe easier to find an outfielder/infielder and move Kike to 1B. If we trade for an average 1B, we're basically stuck with him and he'll get the bats that he may not deserve....

Arroyo going to IL has screwed things up. I'm inclined to go with the lineup we had when Arroyo got hurt. Just change positions. I think you've said it before, turn Kike into a super utility guy that plays every day, just at different positions.

 

Huh?

[moonslav59]

So who do we spend that 8/10 of a penny on?

 

I see something like Ward, Potts and Chavis for Jon Gray and CJ Chron.

 

I'm not sure Danny Duffy has recovered from his injury after a great start.

 

There are other low-return package SP'ers and RP'ers out there, mostly salary dump types that make just enough to keep us under the taxline.

 

1Bmen are very low cost. There may be 5-6 on Bloom's radar.

 

We could also go for a pen arm, but I doubt we give up much or end up over the tax line.

 

[mvp 78]

So who do we spend that 8/10 of a penny on?

 

Jesus Aguilar.

[Bellhorn04]

Jesus Aguilar.

 

That would give us 2 Christians and Jesus.

[notin]

So who do we spend that 8/10 of a penny on?

 

Garrett Cooper and Jon Gray.

[mvp 78]

That would give us 2 Christians and Jesus.

 

Need to also add 8/10 for:

 

Roman Quinn - PHI OF

[moonslav59]

Possible 1Bmen Available:

 

Too costly?

.893 Freeman

.866 J Walsh

.859 B Bradley

.845 G Cooper

.800 Goldschmidt

.795 Hoskins

.781 Rizzo

 

Maybe?

.817 J Aguilar

.802 Schoop

.791 Mancini

.776 C Santana

 

Bargain?

.826 CJ Chron

.773 Moustakas

.759 J Bell

.758 N Lowe

[mvp 78]

Possible 1Bmen Available:

 

Too costly?

.893 Freeman

.866 J Walsh

.859 B Bradley

.845 G Cooper

.800 Goldschmidt

.795 Hoskins

.781 Rizzo

 

Maybe?

.817 J Aguilar

.802 Schoop

.791 Mancini

.776 C Santana

 

Bargain?

.826 CJ Chron

.773 Moustakas

.759 J Bell

.758 N Lowe

 

Mancini would come at a premium due to what he means for that ballclub. I'd take him over most of the other guys though.

[moonslav59]

Mancini would come at a premium due to what he means for that ballclub. I'd take him over most of the other guys though.

 

I'd rather go "bargain" or just focus on getting the best pitching we can afford without losing top prospects.

[mvp 78]

I'd rather go "bargain" or just focus on getting the best pitching we can afford without losing top prospects.

 

I agree. I'm just saying that I like Mancini as a player fit. I think he'd be great for the organization. I don't think I would make a trade for him at the deadline though because he'd be cost prohibitive.

[mvp 78]

Per BTV:

 

Mancini for Jeter Downs

 

Mancini for Dalbec, R Hernandez, Rosario

 

I think BTV undervalues what the O's would want for Mancini, but I'd consider either of those trades.

[moonslav59]

Per BTV:

 

Mancini for Jeter Downs

 

Mancini for Dalbec, R Hernandez, Rosario

 

I think BTV undervalues what the O's would want for Mancini, but I'd consider either of those trades.

 

The 1.3 years of control matches up nicely with Casas.

[mvp 78]

The 1.3 years of control matches up nicely with Casas.

 

Yes sir.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Possible 1Bmen Available:

 

Too costly?

 

.859 B Bradley

.845 G Cooper

 

 

Definitely. Owen Wilson or Vince Vaughn would be cheaper.

[moonslav59]

Yes sir.

 

I'm just not on board with giving up top prospects like Downs.

 

BTV approved this one. I could probably get onboard with something like this:

 

Dalbec

Ward

Rosario

Potts

[mvp 78]

I'm just not on board with giving up top prospects like Downs.

 

BTV approved this one. I could probably get onboard with something like this:

 

Dalbec

Ward

Rosario

Potts

 

I'd rather hold onto Ward if I could.

 

I'm just really unsure about Down at the moment. He's not a great glove. He's not hitting well in AAA. Only 3 2b's so far? What is going on with him this year?

 

Downs 2019 1.116 OPS in AA (small sample), .862 High A

Downs 2021 .632 OPS in AAA

[mvp 78]

Dalbec and Potts

 

for

 

Carlos Santana and Mike Minor

[mvp 78]

Gallo

 

for

 

Downs, Dalbec and Groome

[moonslav59]

I'd rather hold onto Ward if I could.

 

I'm just really unsure about Down at the moment. He's not a great glove. He's not hitting well in AAA. Only 3 2b's so far? What is going on with him this year?

 

Downs 2019 1.116 OPS in AA (small sample), .862 High A

Downs 2021 .632 OPS in AAA

 

I'm thinking we may lose Ward to Rule 5.