Yankees 2021 Season Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

This team gets a 3 run lead with their ace on the mound and he gives it back. They are done

[jacksonianmarch]

And Chapman blew it again

[jacksonianmarch]

I hope they lose every game the rest of the way. Mediocrity gets punished. If you’re gonna suck, then suck hard

[Bellhorn04]

Man, this is the season from hell for Yankee fans. It's getting unbelievable.

[Thunder]

Holy s***

[dgalehouse]

This team gets a 3 run lead with their ace on the mound and he gives it back. They are done

 

Still early . Plenty of time left.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Even if the Yankees turn into trade deadline sellers, a trade chip like A.Chapman has lost value. Teams would want Green, though.

 

I would fire Boone, but based on Cashman's comments I think he stays until the end of the season. Cashman finds a new manager in the offseason and Hal S. sticks with Cashman even if the Yankees miss the playoffs.

Edited July 4, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Thunder]

What will it take for A-Rod to say something bad about the Yankees? Biggest homer out there

[iortiz]

Geez did Chapman s*** the bed again? Wow! Haven’t seen the highlights of the game but this NY team is in free falling.

[jacksonianmarch]

Chappy has these runs where he loses the zone and then leaves the ball in the middle of the zone. He will pull out of this tailspin.

[Bellhorn04]

There's no getting around it, Cole and Chapman have both been dreadful since the SS crackdown.

[Bellhorn04]

There may not have ever been splits this insane in history (Chapman):

 

First 23 games 23 IP

0.39 ERA 43 K 11 BB 7 H 1 HR

 

Last 9 games 5.2 IP

22.24 ERA 6 K 9 BB 14 H 4 HR

[jacksonianmarch]

Boone, in his Neanderthal thinking, still won’t pull him from the closers role. Here’s what I’d do. Tell Chap he’s gonna get some low leverage appearances to get his form back and the reinstall him as the closer when he gets right. You don’t continue to bring him into the 9th inning in close games we can win. Wake up

[notin]

There may not have ever been splits this insane in history (Chapman):

 

First 23 games 23 IP

0.39 ERA 43 K 11 BB 7 H 1 HR

 

Last 9 games 5.2 IP

22.24 ERA 6 K 9 BB 14 H 4 HR

 

His OPSA in the first 23 games was .409. In the last nine it was 1.546…

[Bellhorn04]

Cole and Chapman both made the All-Sticky Team.

[jacksonianmarch]

Someone made a comment on here about the Yanks having a remarkable run of being over .500. In the new era of baseball since the lux tax actually meant something, the Yanks have only gone "all in" once and it won them a title in 2009. Since then, they never blew the top off the lux tax, they never sold the future. They stayed good enough to either come close to or make the playoffs, which I am sure sold them a lot of tickets. But in the interim, they lost their way. The Yanks ALWAYS went all in. And if today's game means going all in creates a cliff, then so be it. You gain more by dropping down for a few years and retooling your farm than you do by winning 85 games and narrowly missing the POs. Cashman's style has always been to make the Yankees "good enough", never to make them unstoppable. The Yanks now aspire to be the Dodgers, a team with home grown talent and the power to bring in top notch talent from the outside, yet never seem to draft well for their position or seem to get the most out of their raw INTL signees. The Yanks have been lapped by the sox who have gone all in for maybe half the seasons in the 21st century and walked away with 4 titles. Now the Yanks hated rivals have a guy at the head who is poised to make the Sox more like the Dodgers and that will not sit well with Yankee fans. The team pushed forth for 2021, admittedly, should be better than this. But the paralysis at the top is obvious. They don't have the right leader in the clubhouse, rather an automaton who is essentially a GM puppet, yet the GM won't make the change. It is time for the Yanks to have a new direction. To reach down and remember what it is like to be the most valuable franchise in the game and actually show it. To not care if they owe a lux tax. To actually stress winning above all. It starts at the very top. I think it's time for the last remaining Steinbrenner to be more like his dad. The Yanks need a Boss level house cleaning.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I'm a big believer in that Theo Epstein idea of competing for 7 or 8 years out of every 10, meaning that for 2-3 years (out of every 10) the organization takes a step back and rebuilds. I think this is a good approach even for big market teams and an absolute necessity for smaller markets.

 

I don't know if the Red Sox actually practice this intentionally, but if you look at the Red Sox's records in the 21th Century, something like this seems to be going on. During the Cherrington years, the Red Sox went from last to first more than once (if I'm not mistaken). Last year was also a step back year for the organization.

 

It is better for an organization to suck, and finish with a top 10 pick, than finish around .500. While the draft can be a crap shoot, an organization is more likely to find great players in the top 10 of the draft (for example, a player like D.Jeter was never going to last until the late first round) and teams with poorer records also have an advantage in international spending. By having a few downs years, the organization is in a better spot to obtain high end young talent. Moreover, when you have a down year with no chance to compete, the organization can be sellers at the deadline and bring in young talent that way.

 

Under Cashman, the Yankees reload every season so that the Yankees have very few poor seasons. And that might not be the best strategy especially if Hal is going to be more fiscally conservative than his father.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

An excellent must-read article by Sherman--a conversation with the Yankees top sabermetric guy, Mike Fishman.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/05/analytics-boss-answers-all-with-mlb-buzzing-about-yankees-obsession/

[Kimmi]

There are plenty of things Cashman can be blamed for.

 

-He hired Boone and all the other coaches, and this Yankee team has had a one-dimensional offensive approach and bad fundamentals.

-He loaded up on all right handed bats and no left handed bats.

-He shoehorned Torres into the wrong position.

-He rolled the dice on Kluber and Taillon and lost.

-The farm is dried up.

 

Yes, but my point is that this criticism is mostly coming in hindsight. There were question marks about the rotation and Torres' defense. I don't remember any concerns about the Yankee's offense or about their bullpen. Even with any concerns, I don't remember anyone projecting the Yankees to be hovering just above .500. Almost everyone had them winning the division, and most people had them winning the division by a large margin.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, but my point is that this criticism is mostly coming in hindsight. There were question marks about the rotation and Torres' defense. I don't remember any concerns about the Yankee's offense or about their bullpen. Even with any concerns, I don't remember anyone projecting the Yankees to be hovering just above .500. Almost everyone had them winning the division, and most people had them winning the division by a large margin.

 

My belief is that sometimes you have to let the season unfold before you know how good or bad a job was done in the offseason.

 

With the Red Sox, you have a case of a better job being done by Bloom than many realized.

[Bellhorn04]

The Yankees offense looked like it had come to life against Seattle. They won the series opener 12-1, and scored 5 more in the first 2 innings of the second game.

 

And then went scoreless the final 16 innings of the series. They got one hit today.

[jacksonianmarch]

16 shutout innings. They suck

[moonslav59]

Someone made a comment on here about the Yanks having a remarkable run of being over .500. In the new era of baseball since the lux tax actually meant something, the Yanks have only gone "all in" once and it won them a title in 2009. Since then, they never blew the top off the lux tax, they never sold the future. They stayed good enough to either come close to or make the playoffs, which I am sure sold them a lot of tickets. But in the interim, they lost their way. The Yanks ALWAYS went all in. And if today's game means going all in creates a cliff, then so be it. You gain more by dropping down for a few years and retooling your farm than you do by winning 85 games and narrowly missing the POs. Cashman's style has always been to make the Yankees "good enough", never to make them unstoppable. The Yanks now aspire to be the Dodgers, a team with home grown talent and the power to bring in top notch talent from the outside, yet never seem to draft well for their position or seem to get the most out of their raw INTL signees. The Yanks have been lapped by the sox who have gone all in for maybe half the seasons in the 21st century and walked away with 4 titles. Now the Yanks hated rivals have a guy at the head who is poised to make the Sox more like the Dodgers and that will not sit well with Yankee fans. The team pushed forth for 2021, admittedly, should be better than this. But the paralysis at the top is obvious. They don't have the right leader in the clubhouse, rather an automaton who is essentially a GM puppet, yet the GM won't make the change. It is time for the Yanks to have a new direction. To reach down and remember what it is like to be the most valuable franchise in the game and actually show it. To not care if they owe a lux tax. To actually stress winning above all. It starts at the very top. I think it's time for the last remaining Steinbrenner to be more like his dad. The Yanks need a Boss level house cleaning.

 

The Yanks spent over $200M from 2005-2017. They spent more than 2009 five times since then, including $226M in 2019, $224M in 2016 & $237M in 2013.

 

Some might consider that "blowing the top off" the limit.

 

Here's the Yankee- Sox comp from 2009>

 

NYY- BOS (Millions of dollars)

220-140

215-171

216-174

223-169

237-176 (ring)

218-168

224-186

224-201

208-189

183-230 (ring)

226-228

 

Forgive me, if I don't buy the "Yanks have gone cheap" argument. They've spent enough to win a ring or two since 2009. They just spend in wrongly.

 

FYI, LAD budgets since 2009:

132

110

129

237

257

291

256

244

196

205

 

 

[iortiz]

The Yankees offense looked like it had come to life against Seattle. They won the series opener 12-1, and scored 5 more in the first 2 innings of the second game.

 

And then went scoreless the final 16 innings of the series. They got one hit today.

 

This kid Gilbert is one of the best prospects in baseball though.

[moonslav59]

16 shutout innings. They suck

 

At the start of the year, if someone had said Judge & Stanton both had over 240 PAs and these Yankees would have these OPS at the All Star Break, one would expect the offense was likely in high gear:

 

.785 Gaby Sanchez/.726 Higashioka

.751 Urshela

 

These are the sorry numbers:

Odor 161 PAs

Voit .688

Andujar .667

Frazier .634

Hicks .627

Torres .627

 

 

[Kimmi]

At the start of the year, if someone had said Judge & Stanton both had over 240 PAs and these Yankees would have these OPS at the All Star Break, one would expect the offense was likely in high gear:

 

.785 Gaby Sanchez/.726 Higashioka

.751 Urshela

 

These are the sorry numbers:

Odor 161 PAs

Voit .688

Andujar .667

Frazier .634

Hicks .627

Torres .627

 

 

 

The Yankees have also cost themselves 3+ games defensively (according to DRS) and baserunning (MLB worst at -14.6 runs).

[dgalehouse]

The Yankees are at the point where their fans are looking for a glimmer of hope. They play well for a couple of games , and the fans think " this could be the spark, the turning point." But then they quietly slip back into losing mode. I just don't see that changing this season. It's getting close to " stick a fork in them " time in The Bronx.

[bkzwhitestrican]

The Yankees are at the point where their fans are looking for a glimmer of hope. They play well for a couple of games , and the fans think " this could be the spark, the turning point." But then they quietly slip back into losing mode. I just don't see that changing this season. It's getting close to " stick a fork in them " time in The Bronx.

 

A sweep would've been nice but taking 2 out of 3 on the road is fine. If they can keep winning series then they can get back into it, but the problem has been that they've followed every long winning streak with an equally long losing streak.

 

The Yanks have 8 games against Boston, 3 against Tampa, and 3 against Houston coming up. To me this is their last chance to show that they can contend this season and maybe convince Cashman to buy at the deadline. I don't think going .500 in these series will be good enough, and if they flop completely then they may even sell at the deadline.

[moonslav59]

A sweep would've been nice but taking 2 out of 3 on the road is fine. If they can keep winning series then they can get back into it, but the problem has been that they've followed every long winning streak with an equally long losing streak.

 

The Yanks have 8 games against Boston, 3 against Tampa, and 3 against Houston coming up. To me this is their last chance to show that they can contend this season and maybe convince Cashman to buy at the deadline. I don't think going .500 in these series will be good enough, and if they flop completely then they may even sell at the deadline.

 

They may sell if they go .500, too.

[bkzwhitestrican]

They may sell if they go .500, too.

 

Possibly, but I don't think they should. They're about .500 now and are still only 3 losses away from the 2nd wild card spot. Winning in the playoffs a lot of times is just about being hot at the right time, so if they have a chance to make it I'd like to see them try.