2021 Prospects

[mvp 78]

Who was the last good or great IFA we signed?

 

Devers

[moonslav59]

Devers

 

Correct answer!

 

We used to be pretty good in this area.

 

Okajima

Tazawa

Bogaerts, Montas and Iggy in one year! (2009)

Margot (2011)

Devers & DHer (2013)

Moncada & Bazardo (2014)

 

Nothing but Hector Velazquez and Sawamura since then!

[Hugh2]

Yeah, IFA guys have a longer track because they’re being signed at 16/17

 

Devers was a phenom while reaching the majors at 20 years old had been in the system for 4 seasons prior.

 

Losing money for cheating messed up our class for 2 years and now Covid has delayed guys. If you look at the long term track record, seemingly every year we end with at least one guy who turns into a stud, or a highly ranked prospect at some point.

 

Moncada was the year after Devers, then came the penalty years.

 

https://soxprospects.com/international.htm

[moonslav59]

Yeah, IFA guys have a longer track because they’re being signed at 16/17

 

Devers was a phenom while reaching the majors at 20 years old had been in the system for 4 seasons prior.

 

Losing money for cheating messed up our class for 2 years and now Covid has delayed guys. If you look at the long term track record, seemingly every year we end with at least one guy who turns into a stud, or a highly ranked prospect at some point.

 

Moncada was the year after Devers, then came the penalty years.

 

https://soxprospects.com/international.htm

 

We've had 6 signing periods since Moncada's year. Two were affected by penalties, but what of the next 4?

 

Okay, one poor kid died (Daniel Flores in '17) and we also picked G Jimenez, that year, but he doesn't look like Moncada or Devers, just yet.

 

Bonaci in '18? Nope.

 

Chacon in '19? I think not.

 

Bleis in '21 is too early to tell. (Sawamura is kinda separate.)

 

We've lost an edge we used to hold.

 

We went from Devers, Bogaerts, Moncada, Montas, Margot, DHern & Iggy in a 6 year period (2009-2014)

to

Nothing in the 6 periods from 2015-2021- count these as 4 yrs, but it still sucks.

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by moonslav59

[Fan_since_Boggs]

According to Baseball America, the Red Sox farm system is now top 10 (9th to be exact) and is better than the Yankees farm system (ranked 19th). The Mariners have the top farm system followed by the Orioles. I was looking at the Orioles farm system about a month or two ago, they are totally stacked. They could be a really good team in a few years. The Orioles will add another stud in the 2022 draft.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/red-sox-farm-system-makes-huge-leap-new-baseball-america-rankings

 

It is hard to not like the Red Sox farm system, they have some impressive infield prospects, Casas, Yorke, Mayer, and Blaze. They have depth in their pitching prospects, with guys like Houck, Bello, Winckowski. Hopefully, Groome and Mata will take a step forward next season (maybe Song too?). I'm starting to see Bello as a guy who profiles as something more than a middle-of-the-rotation starter. Bello has ace potential.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Hugh2]

They had all their top contracts voided in 2016 and were disallowed from signings in 2017.

 

The next year in the 2017-2018. The big prize was Daniel Flores considered by many the top international prospect, he died at 17. However Gilberto Jiminez is a top ten prospect in the Sox system.

 

Your next years class consists of kids that are currently 19 years old and missed a full season. You got three youngsters in the top 30 with some promise.

 

https://soxprospects.com/players/paulino-eddinson.htm

 

https://soxprospects.com/players/gonzalez-wilkelman.htm

 

https://soxprospects.com/players/bonaci-brainer.htm

 

 

So I wouldn’t say we used to be good at this. Sox are still very good at this.

[Hugh2]

Yeah, it’s insanely way too early to write of the Sox recent international acquisitions.

 

Like you said the Sox lost two seasons to penalties then after the #2 ranked prospect died they still turn out two top ten prospects from the 2017-2018 class (Gilberto, and Bello).

 

After they you have 16-19 year olds who have missed a full season. And the 2020/21 class looks pretty good. Way way way too early to come to these conclusions.

[moonslav59]

According to Baseball America, the Red Sox farm system is now top 10 (9th to be exact) and is better than the Yankees farm system (ranked 19th). The Mariners have the top farm system followed by the Orioles. I was looking at the Orioles farm system about a month or two ago, they are totally stacked. They could be a really good team in a few years. The Orioles will add another stud in the 2022 draft.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/red-sox-farm-system-makes-huge-leap-new-baseball-america-rankings

 

It is hard to not like the Red Sox farm system, they have some impressive infield prospects, Casas, Yorke, Mayer, and Blaze. They have depth in their pitching prospects, with guys like Houck, Bello, Winckowski. Hopefully, Groome and Mata will take a step forward next season (maybe Song too?). I'm starting to see Bello as a guy who profiles as something more than a middle-of-the-rotation starter. Bello has ace potential.

 

Thanks for this.

 

Jacko totally disagreed with me, when I said that after this draft we'd be close to even with the Yanks, if not better.

[Hugh2]

Thanks for this.

 

Jacko totally disagreed with me, when I said that after this draft we'd be close to even with the Yanks, if not better.

 

A lot of this has to do with the large amount of prospects the Yankees gave up.

 

However, I think some of this is organic. Lots of depth and younger players starting to get some helium.

[moonslav59]

A lot of this has to do with the large amount of prospects the Yankees gave up.

 

However, I think some of this is organic. Lots of depth and younger players starting to get some helium.

 

Yes, I mentioned it after the Yanks traded away a lot of farm depth and the Sox drafted higher.

[Hugh2]

That’s right, Mayer helps a lot too.

[moonslav59]

However, I think some of this is organic. Lots of depth and younger players starting to get some helium.

 

I do think our farm got deeper by players already in the system getting better- not just by adding Mayer and other draftees.

 

I have given credit to DD for some of the draft choices he made with low picks that have risen higher and faster than I expected.

 

The thought deadline trades of 2020 would help more than it seemed to help. Pivetta was a great get, but he's not a prospect. Pots, Rosario, Wallace and others have been unimpressive.

 

The Cordero trade added some promise, but nothing that jumps out at me.

 

Downs is seeing his stock decline- maybe Wong's has risen a little.

 

The trading away of Yankee farm depth was probably a big part of us passing them, despite jacko not thinking so.

 

Having 3 guys in the to 40 was likely the biggest factor. We still seem to have a big gap between the tope 3 and the promising helium kids.

[Hugh2]

Great points, I would like to defend Downs a bit.

 

You can count on one hand how many pitchers he’s faced who are younger than him.

 

He effectively skipped AA after missing a year. That was a huge leap and it’s obvious now the Sox Rushed him. If he started the year in Portland and mashed, everyone would be very high on him.

 

I think some guys might have passed him with their performance, but I don’t think he’s done a lot to hurt his value. His value will really start to decline if he struggles next year, but it’s very easy to write this year off considering he lost a season to Covid, and got rushed up skipping a level.

[moonslav59]

Great points, I would like to defend Downs a bit.

 

You can count on one hand how many pitchers he’s faced who are younger than him.

 

He effectively skipped AA after missing a year. That was a huge leap and it’s obvious now the Sox Rushed him. If he started the year in Portland and mashed, everyone would be very high on him.

 

I think some guys might have passed him with their performance, but I don’t think he’s done a lot to hurt his value. His value will really start to decline if he struggles next year, but it’s very easy to write this year off considering he lost a season to Covid, and got rushed up skipping a level.

 

Well said. I'm far from giving upon Downs, but I was just pointing out how our farm improved, and what did not help it move up, this time.

 

Maybe Next year, Downs helps us move to top 3, again. (That may be hard, as Duran will likely graduate from prospects status.)

[mvp 78]

Well said. I'm far from giving upon Downs, but I was just pointing out how our farm improved, and what did not help it move up, this time.

 

Maybe Next year, Downs helps us move to top 3, again. (That may be hard, as Duran will likely graduate from prospects status.)

 

I think we may as well keep Downs in AAA as long as we can afford to, even if that means wasting a 40 man spot on him.

[moonslav59]

I think we may as well keep Downs in AAA as long as we can afford to, even if that means wasting a 40 man spot on him.

 

He'll certainly be on the 40, next season.

 

Our roster crunch is not all that severe.

[mvp 78]

He'll certainly be on the 40, next season.

 

Our roster crunch is not all that severe.

 

They kept Marcus on the 40 man for a long long time. It makes more sense to do that for a high ceiling guy like Jeter.

[moonslav59]

They kept Marcus on the 40 man for a long long time. It makes more sense to do that for a high ceiling guy like Jeter.

 

True, but the bottom 5-15 slots on the 40 man roster during Marcus's time here was a bit weaker.

 

Downs has no chance of being bounced off the 40 man, unless by trade, at least until 2023 or beyond.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Agreed that Downs will be on the 40-man roster next season. He can always be removed sometime next season if he hits .120 again with 800 strikeouts! But, yeah, his prospect status is such that he deserves another minor league season before we start drawing conclusions. I would rank a number of prospects in front of Downs including Mayer, Casas, Bello, Yorke, Blaze, Duran, Houck. I would put Downs in the next category of prospects, the prospects that need to shine next season to prove they have the goods: Groome, Mata, Jiminez, Seabold, Winckowski.

[moonslav59]

Agreed that Downs will be on the 40-man roster next season. He can always be removed sometime next season if he hits .120 again with 800 strikeouts! But, yeah, his prospect status is such that he deserves another minor league season before we start drawing conclusions. I would rank a number of prospects in front of Downs including Mayer, Casas, Bello, Yorke, Blaze, Duran, Houck. I would put Downs in the next category of prospects, the prospects that need to shine next season to prove they have the goods: Groome, Mata, Jiminez, Seabold, Winckowski.

 

When does Houck lose prospect status?

 

How about Duran?

[mvp 78]

When does Houck lose prospect status?

 

How about Duran?

 

Prospects - A player will generally graduate from prospect status once he exhausts his MLB "rookie" status." Rookie status is exhausted once a player: (1) has more than 130 at-bats in the majors; (2) has pitched more than 50 innings in the majors; (3) has been on an active major league roster for more than 45 days (not including September call-ups).

 

Duran will graduate in 2 weeks.

[moonslav59]

Prospects - A player will generally graduate from prospect status once he exhausts his MLB "rookie" status." Rookie status is exhausted once a player: (1) has more than 130 at-bats in the majors; (2) has pitched more than 50 innings in the majors; (3) has been on an active major league roster for more than 45 days (not including September call-ups).

 

Duran will graduate in 2 weeks.

 

So, without Houck and Duran, our farm may fall in the rankings, this winter.

[Noles_1335]

Again no sign of Blaze or Tyler McDonough tonight for Salem. Why the hell would you promote a guy and he never plays… what the hell is going on. Ohh and Jimenez…. Picked off 1st and caught stealing, we have to have better OF prospects than this mediocre guy!!

[moonslav59]

Again no sign of Blaze or Tyler McDonough tonight for Salem. Why the hell would you promote a guy and he never plays… what the hell is going on. Ohh and Jimenez…. Picked off 1st and caught stealing, we have to have better OF prospects than this mediocre guy!!

 

Shoulda traded them all for deadline help.

 

It’s so obvious we were just one piece or two away from greatness in October!

[moonslav59]

How about Downs hitting 2 HRs while Munoz goes hitless after 35 games?

 

Wong also HR'd.

[mvp 78]

Shoulda traded them all for deadline help.

 

It’s so obvious we were just one piece or two away from greatness in October!

 

The pollyanna to shitposter after one doubleheader timeline.

[moonslav59]

The pollyanna to shitposter after one doubleheader timeline.

 

Sarcasm translates poorly online.

[mvp 78]

Sarcasm translates poorly online.

 

Oh, I got the sarcasm.

[moonslav59]

Oh, I got the sarcasm.

 

I guess I didn't, then.

[mvp 78]

@IanCundall

Noteworthy pitching performances from Red Sox prospects on 8/17:

 

Chris Murphy (AA): 7 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 7 K

Raynel Espinal (AAA): 7 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 6 K

Wyatt Olds (FCL): 1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 1K (debut)

Christopher Troye (FCL) 1 IP, 2K (debut)

Jacob Webb (FCL): 1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 2K (debut)

 

If the Red Sox actually learn to develop some starters...