Bloom Don’t mess this hire up and don’t drag your feet .Jimy is our guy !!!!

[mvp 78]

We'll never know that, I guess.

 

But we do know DD is a big believer in paying top players top dollar.

 

That's the only reason I believe it could be a possibility.

 

I think it's more likely that JH wanted to keep Betts, but realized too late that the other high dollar contracts that were signed in recent years would severely restrict that.

[Bellhorn04]

What GM can’t sign a player if ownership is willing to pay “whatever it took”?

 

Making the budget work is a big part of being a GM...

 

I don't disagree with that.

 

But when you are one of the richest franchises in the game, and it's about one of the greatest players in franchise history - that call is 100% on the owners.

[notin]

I don't disagree with that.

 

But when you are one of the richest franchises in the game, and it's about one of the greatest players in franchise history - that call is 100% on the owners.

 

How?

 

now whether or not Betts was willing to sign is one thing, but you cannot argue that the previous budget was irrelevant to signing him. If the Sox had a much lower payroll - say one without Price and Sale - do you think it is possible that they meet Betts' initial demands? Or were they walking away no matter without taking that in to consideration?

[notin]

That's the only reason I believe it could be a possibility.

 

I think it's more likely that JH wanted to keep Betts, but realized too late that the other high dollar contracts that were signed in recent years would severely restrict that.

 

Exactly my point/theory...

[dgalehouse]

Now , we are going to spin it that not signing Mookie was Dombrowski's fault too ?

[notin]

Now , we are going to spin it that not signing Mookie was Dombrowski's fault too ?

 

I've been spinning that angle since December, 2015. And guess what? It happened...

[Bellhorn04]

I've been spinning that angle since December, 2015. And guess what? It happened...

 

Which doesn't prove why it happened.

 

Mookie was offered $300 million and turned it down.

 

Then he signed for $307 million (present value because of deferred money.)

 

Those who say he didn't want to stay in Boston may be the ones who are right.

[notin]

Which doesn't prove why it happened.

 

Mookie was offered $300 million and turned it down.

 

Then he signed for $307 million (present value because of deferred money.)

 

Those who say he didn't want to stay in Boston may be the ones who are right.

 

This is very possible. He might have simply wanted out for any of a number of reasons.

 

In which case, Bloom made a tremendous move.

 

However, unless Mookie had this attitude early on, which he may or may not have, should a GM take into consideration his potential future earnings when budgeting the team?

[dgalehouse]

Every time a contract extension was mentioned , Mookie's response was that he was going to see what free agency had to offer. The mistake some here made was thinking we could trade and then re-sign him. ( And several folks advocated for that ) That was not going to happen. The very real possibility is that he simply preferred L.A. So , we have to be satisfied with what we got back in the trade . There is no other choice. I do think that blaming Dombrowski is ridiculous.

[notin]

Every time a contract extension was mentioned , Mookie's response was that he was going to see what free agency had to offer. The mistake some here made was thinking we could trade and then re-sign him. ( And several folks advocated for that ) That was not going to happen. The very real possibility is that he simply preferred L.A. So , we have to be satisfied with what we got back in the trade . There is no other choice. I do think that blaming Dombrowski is ridiculous.

 

Well, not exactly.

 

The thought process was the Sox best chance to sign him to an extension was to trade him first, because they were not going to be able to afford him without resetting and they were not going to be able to reset without dealing Mookie, Price or both.

 

That's not really the same as saying "we can deal him and re-sign him." The fallacy (given everything we know/suspect) was that the Sox could NOT deal him and just re-sign him...

[Bellhorn04]

Every time a contract extension was mentioned , Mookie's response was that he was going to see what free agency had to offer. The mistake some here made was thinking we could trade and then re-sign him. ( And several folks advocated for that )

 

One thing is for sure - if the actual plan is to trade him and re-sign him, you don't trade him to the freakin' Dodgers, of all teams. That was my first thought when I heard about the trade negotiations.

 

When we traded Lester, we traded him to the A's, who had no chance of keeping him.

 

And I'm not blaming Bloom for trading him to the Dodgers. I'm pretty sure he was told to trade him for the best offer, period.

[notin]

One thing is for sure - if the actual plan is to trade him and re-sign him, you don't trade him to the freakin' Dodgers, of all teams. That was my first thought when I heard about the trade negotiations.

 

When we traded Lester, we traded him to the A's, who had no chance of keeping him.

 

And I'm not blaming Bloom for trading him to the Dodgers. I'm pretty sure he was told to trade him for the best offer, period.

 

Well, you can only trade him to a team that wants him. Was anyone else interested? (Unlike Lester, Mookie already had a prohibitive $25 mill salary.)

 

And do you think they should have avoided te Dodgers even if their offer was far superior to any others?

[dgalehouse]

I just can't see where signing Sale and Eovaldi ( which J.H. obviously was okay with ) prevented the Sox signing Mookie. Did J.H. wake up one day and say " That's it , I've reached my limit. Now we can't sign Mookie?" That makes no sense. But we can't blame John Henry because we love him so much. We can't blame Mookie either. We surely can't blame Chaim Bloom . So , let's blame Dombrowski . It's all his fault. He broke John's bank while John was sleeping.

[Bellhorn04]

And do you think they should have avoided te Dodgers even if their offer was far superior to any others?

 

I think they should have avoided trading him to the Dodgers if they had strong hopes of re-signing him. That's all I'm saying.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well, you can only trade him to a team that wants him. Was anyone else interested? (Unlike Lester, Mookie already had a prohibitive $25 mill salary.)

 

And do you think they should have avoided te Dodgers even if their offer was far superior to any others?

 

I think LA was so interested they were the only club that agreed to take Price, as long as Betts was in the deal with no pitching prospects included. The Dodgers just have too many good young arms not to think that; are we really to believe that Bloom actually insisted he would only accept Graterol from a third team, and wouldn't consider say, Gray from the minors or someone like Victor Gonzalez, World Series reliever?

[notin]

I think LA was so interested they were the only club that agreed to take Price, as long as Betts was in the deal with no pitching prospects included. The Dodgers just have too many good young arms not to think that; are we really to believe that Bloom actually insisted he would only accept Graterol from a third team, and wouldn't consider say, Gray from the minors or someone like Victor Gonzalez, World Series reliever?

 

Oh I think it was obvious the Dodgers did not want to include a pitching prospect. Heck, they didn’t seem to want to give up anyone whose path to playing time wasn’t blocked (Verdugo by Betts. Downs by Lux)....

[Bellhorn04]

I think when you look at how that trade went down, both Bloom and Friedman showed that they are really good at their jobs.

[mvp 78]

I just can't see where signing Sale and Eovaldi ( which J.H. obviously was okay with ) prevented the Sox signing Mookie. Did J.H. wake up one day and say " That's it , I've reached my limit. Now we can't sign Mookie?" That makes no sense. But we can't blame John Henry because we love him so much. We can't blame Mookie either. We surely can't blame Chaim Bloom . So , let's blame Dombrowski . It's all his fault. He broke John's bank while John was sleeping.

 

It was all Tessie's fault.

[notin]

I think they should have avoided trading him to the Dodgers if they had strong hopes of re-signing him. That's all I'm saying.

 

Well, the problem then became one of who else was interested.

 

If it was the Dodgers or keep him (which obviously killed any hope of re-signing him as well as unloading Price), should the Sox have just stood pat?

[Bellhorn04]

Well, the problem then became one of who else was interested.

 

If it was the Dodgers or keep him (which obviously killed any hope of re-signing him as well as unloading Price), should the Sox have just stood pat?

 

You've got me, I can't answer these questions. It's hard to know what their true plans and intentions were.

 

It was a bit surprising though, when Sam Kennedy expressed disappointment about Mookie signing with the Dodgers. It sounded like he wasn't expecting it.

[notin]

You've got me, I can't answer these questions. It's hard to know what their true plans and intentions were.

 

It was a bit surprising though, when Sam Kennedy expressed disappointment about Mookie signing with the Dodgers. It sounded like he wasn't expecting it.

 

To be fair, with Bellinger, Seager, and their stable of young pitchers, I would not have been surprised if they were unable to retain Betts. Or at least not seen him try the market he was allegedly eager to test at some point...

[dgalehouse]

It was all Tessie's fault.

 

Yeah. If we are looking to trim the budget, let's look around. Do we really need a mascot , much less two of them?

[dgalehouse]

What GM can’t sign a player if ownership is willing to pay “whatever it took”?

 

Making the budget work is a big part of being a GM...

 

If I have the kind of dough to comfortably afford a new Lamborghini, I am not going to a used car lot and haggle price for a fourth hand Chevy that will most likely be a clunker. I will buy the Lamborghini and enjoy every minute of driving it.

[mvp 78]

@tigers

The Detroit Tigers today named A.J. Hinch as the 39th manager in franchise history, agreeing to terms on a multi-year contract.

 

Sox are now the last team at the party without a person to dance with.

[dgalehouse]

@tigers

The Detroit Tigers today named A.J. Hinch as the 39th manager in franchise history, agreeing to terms on a multi-year contract.

 

Sox are now the last team at the party without a person to dance with.

 

And Cora is that pretty girl sitting alone at the bar. Why not ask her to dance?

[mvp 78]

And Cora is that pretty girl sitting alone at the bar. Why not ask her to dance?

 

She's hot, but she's got some baggage. Her lipstick is a little smeared. One of her shoes has a broken heel. Maybe she'd look better the following morning. Right now?

[notin]

She's hot, but she's got some baggage. Her lipstick is a little smeared. One of her shoes has a broken heel. Maybe she'd look better the following morning. Right now?

 

Also, she got caught cheating

[dgalehouse]

She's hot, but she's got some baggage. Her lipstick is a little smeared. One of her shoes has a broken heel. Maybe she'd look better the following morning. Right now?

 

Yeah. But she is much nicer than that Hinch tramp. And she got a date.

[mvp 78]

Also, she got caught cheating

 

It was a make out party where other people were cheating. She was just there for the snacks. She was just made to be the fall-gal because she left the party early.

Edited October 30, 2020 by mvp 78

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

With Alex Cora’s suspension over, Red Sox have been in contact with ex-manager, while moving forward with some of their other known candidates and eliminating others