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Eh.

 

Remember when the Yankees cut the corporate dental plan do they could sign Hideki Matsui?

 

Lisa needs braces!

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Potential 2b fits per OTM:

 

Tommy La Stella, Kolten Wong, Enrique Hernández, César Hernández, Jurickson Profar, Dee Strange-Gordon, Jonathan Villar, Asdrúbal Cabrera, Jonathan Schoop, Joe Panik, Jason Kipnis

 

If you are going to have a year where you’re looking for a solid option to fill in at second base for a year or two, this is the year for it to happen. This is a loaded class for two-ish win players. The top of this section of the market is likely either La Stella or Wong. The former has used tremendous plate discipline to somewhat quietly be one of the better hitting second basemen in the game the last couple of years while the latter relies a bit more on baserunning and defense to provide his value. It’s hard to make any strong predictions in this market, but these two could get a bit more than the Red Sox want to allocate at this spot.

 

The next tier here, though, represent a lot of players who should be paid right in line with what the Red Sox are likely looking to use for second base. Enrique Hernández has had some inconsistencies with the bat, but his ability to play in the outfield could appeal to the Red Sox. César, meanwhile, doesn’t have much of a ceiling but he’s been a consistent two-win player for a long time now. Profar is the former top prospect in baseball, and like Hernández can play multiple positions while providing solid, albeit inconsistent, offense.

 

When you get down to the guys like Strange-Gordon, Schoop, Villar, Cabrera, Panik and Kipnis, you are looking at a group of veterans who are a bit past their prime but can still bring enough to the table that they should get major-league deals.

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When did he become Strange-Gordon?

 

This year. He took the surname of his mother, who was murdered when he was 7.

 

His first name isn't even "Dee." It's Devaris. But no one could even pronounce it right throughout his baseball career. So rather than go by Devaris Strange-Gordon, he opted for the much simpler Dee Gordon, with Dee being nothing more than a pronounceable expansion of his first initial.

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When did he become Strange-Gordon?

 

Strange-Gordon was born in Windermere, Florida, the son of former Major League pitcher Tom Gordon and Devona Denise Strange.[3][4][5] His parents were high-school sweethearts but did not marry; Tom had relationships with three other women as well and had a total of five children, all in Florida.[3] Dee is his second-oldest.[3] When Dee was seven years old in 1995, his mother Devona was shot to death by a subsequent boyfriend who claimed that she was shot as they played with a loaded gun. The boyfriend pleaded no contest to manslaughter and was sentenced to five years in prison. [6][5][7] Tom Gordon sued for custody of Dee and raised him with the help of his own mother, Dee's grandmother.[3][8]

 

Dee's half-brother, Nick Gordon, was drafted by the Minnesota Twins in the first round (#5) of the 2014 draft.[9]

 

Strange-Gordon's full name is Devaris Strange-Gordon. Friends and family call him Varis. He was known professionally by his full name until 2008 when a Missoula Osprey public address announcer mispronounced his first and last names. He thereafter chose to be known professionally simply as Dee Gordon.[10] In 2020, he stated that he would like to return to being known by his legal surname professionally, to honor his mother.[11]

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Quintana would likely be had on a very short term deal. Prior to 2020, he started at least 31 times for 7 years in a row. His time with the Cubs wasnt nearly as fruitful as his time with the White Sox, but he did put together a reasonable 2019 in terms of WAR and FIP. He is the right kind of guy to fill in the back or middle of your rotation. I actually thought of him as a potential Yankee target as well
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I was a big Quintana fan at the time of the Kimbrel and Sale deals. I had once argued maybe we could have gotten both had we not made the Kimbrel deal. (Quinatan has one more year of team control than Sale and Kimbrel.)

 

Quintana was a let down, so what do I know? (DON"T ANSWER THAT!)

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For Boston, they predict:

-SP Jose Quintana 2yr/$18MM

-2B Kolten Wong 2yr/$16MM

-P Anthony Desclafani 1yr/$4MM

 

That's $21M on the luxury tax budget- keeping us well below line one. With no Perez, we can do more, or save some for the deadline.

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That's $21M on the luxury tax budget- keeping us well below line one. With no Perez, we can do more, or save some for the deadline.

 

There very well could be more, but that list is only for the top 50 free agents...

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There very well could be more, but that list is only for the top 50 free agents...

 

My guess is we sign at least 4 from the top 50 list (another SP'er and RP'er).

 

5 seems right.

 

Maybe:

Quintana

K Wong

Desclafani

 

plus maybe:

$14M/1 Marcus Semien

$10M/1 Jamess Paxton

$16M/2 Taijuan Walker

$12M/2 Corey Kluber

$8M/1 Charlie Morton

$6M/1 Robbie Ray or JA Happ

$5M/1 Drew Smyly or Rick Porcello

$4M/1 Chris Archer

 

$14M/2 Brad Hand, Trevor May or Trevor Rosenthal (Blake Treinen?)

$6M/1 Alez Colome

$4M/1 Mark Melancon

$5M/1 Kirby Yates

 

$20M/2 James McCann (Trade Vaz?)

$10M/1 Yadier Molina

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There very well could be more, but that list is only for the top 50 free agents...

The free agent market may be flooded with non-tenders on December 2.

 

More options should be available.

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This year. He took the surname of his mother, who was murdered when he was 7.https://www.talksox.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1359003

 

His first name isn't even "Dee." It's Devaris. But no one could even pronounce it right throughout his baseball career. So rather than go by Devaris Strange-Gordon, he opted for the much simpler Dee Gordon, with Dee being nothing more than a pronounceable expansion of his first initial.

Despite his dismal on-field performance, Dee Strange-Gordon earned respect in Seattle:

 

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2020/10/29/21539016/farewell-dee-gordon-strange-a-great-seattle-mariner-despite-what-the-numbers-say

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I have my doubts any posters here can satisfy that list of qualifications! :)

 

Well, I have an engineering degree, (mild) programming and database knowledge, and even a past project that used statistical analysis to predict future modeling (the ol’ WAPM)...

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Well, I have an engineering degree, (mild) programming and database knowledge, and even a past project that used statistical analysis to predict future modeling (the ol’ WAPM)...

 

You might be the best qualified candidate here, but I think you fall a little short of that list LOL

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You might be the best qualified candidate here, but I think you fall a little short of that list LOL

 

Eh.

 

I can learn Python and probably need my SQL certification. But that’s all paperwork and anyone can get that.

 

I have a project background, statistical analysis background, an application to baseball in my past, the ability to present and convey data.

 

My big question mark (and the ONLY reason I haven’t applied yet) is I have yet to think of a suggested project.

 

Any ideas?

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A few million voters in Tuesday's election were born after the Seattle Mariners last appeared in the postseason.

 

Enjoy.:)

 

The vast majority of college freshmen and sophomores were born after Tom Brady got drafted into the NFL

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I have my doubts any posters here can satisfy that list of qualifications! :)

 

When my BS in Math, MBA, MA (Accounting) and CPA falls short... :(

 

I no good at numbers...

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Other than the graduate degree, I'm pretty decently qualified

Have you taken Python or a similar coding class?

 

My younger daughter, who like you is a college senior, took a Python course as a prerequisite for the required data class in her social science major.

 

Analytics have taken over the world.

 

Former FanGraphs managing editor Dave Cameron, who works now for the San Diego Padres, wrote that anyone who wants to enter baseball operations should take a coding class.

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Long time assistant in the Sox' analytics department, Harold Nerdwell, figures he has the inside track for this new position. He just spent all morning at Staples. Bought himself a nice , new pocket protector and everything. Ever thoughtful, Harold picked up a few gifts for Chaim also.
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Have you taken Python or a similar coding class?

 

My younger daughter, who like you is a college senior, took a Python course as a prerequisite for the required data class in her social science major.

 

Analytics have taken over the world.

 

Former FanGraphs managing editor Dave Cameron, who works now for the San Diego Padres, wrote that anyone who wants to enter baseball operations should take a coding class.

 

I'm proficient in SQL, SAS and JMP. I'm an accounting major, analytics minor

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@SPChrisHatfield

Confirmed that the Red Sox re-signed the following players who would have hit free agency: C Roldani Baldwin, RHP Seth Blair, RHP Raynel Espinal, LHP Stephen Gonsalves, 1B/OF Joey Meneses, OF Johan Mieses, 1B Josh Ockimey (

@ChrisCotillo

1st), C Jhonny Pereda, RHP Caleb Simpson.

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