2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

Stroman will definitely get a QO. I'd expect Quintana to get one too

[harmony]

Stroman will definitely get a QO. I'd expect Quintana to get one too

If Marcus Stroman receives a qualifying offer, will the 29-year-old righthander land a bigger contract than 28-year-old righthander Taijuan Walker, who can't receive a qualifying offer because of his midseason trade?

[Bellhorn04]

Stroman will definitely get a QO. I'd expect Quintana to get one too

 

Quintana looks pretty iffy for one.

[mvp 78]

Looks like Robert Stock won't be back next season:

 

@RobertStock6

Thinkin about signing up for the Space Force

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I expect Bloom to sign free agents, just not major ones to big, long term deals. Basically take the same approach Cherington took prior to 2013, but not with as many free agents.

 

Some potentially undervalued players include James McCann, a former All Star catcher that the White Sox are extremely unlikely to re-sign (as they have Yasmani Grandal at the position). McCann has grown as a hitter the last 2 years and also does do the job on the defensive metrics, with 9 DRS in the last two years, and 1150 innings. Comparatively, Christian Vazquez has 6 DRS in the same time frame with 1274 innings behind the plate. So a potential move might be to sign McCann and move Vazquez for a pitcher.

 

On the pitching front, I would expect him to ignore Bauer (because the QO impacts the simultaneous farm system build) and maybe look at Stroman or Jose Quintana. Both are essentially the same pitcher, but Stroman is RH and 2 years younger, but that age difference might translate into a bigger contract for more money and years.

 

If the Sox sign an outfielder, Joc Pederson might be in play. Pederson has the glaring weakness of not hitting lefties, but if he is signed to play LF, the Sox have an in-house answer in Chavis, who can't do anything except hit lefties. Of course, that last part would mean they either gave up on Benintendi or made the unwise decision to move Beni to CF...

 

Nothing personal, but yuk to outfielders that can't outfield. Pederson is below average in just about everything but swinging from his shoes at righties, and Chavis is clang-the-wall-slowly out there. If we're going that route, might as well get the best bat available: Ozuna -- he could hit 50 HRs in a full season of Fenway home games, and provide some of the missing mashing the Sox lost when Betts went west and JD went south...

[notin]

Nothing personal, but yuk to outfielders that can't outfield. Pederson is below average in just about everything but swinging from his shoes at righties, and Chavis is clang-the-wall-slowly out there. If we're going that route, might as well get the best bat available: Ozuna -- he could hit 50 HRs in a full season of Fenway home games, and provide some of the missing mashing the Sox lost when Betts went west and JD went south...

 

Ozuna would be sweet. But the premise was finding the underrated free agents, which is what I suspect will be at least part of the plan. Why sign Ozuna when Springer is right there, too? And is just a little bit older, a lot better, local, has connections with the team (former college teammate of Matt Barnes) and grew up as a Red Sox fan?

 

Last year was Ozuna's one year "prove it" deal where he tried to bounce back offensively and destroy a ruined defensive reputation. Unlikely he settles for another one year deal, and no idea what type of years he wants. Pederson is actually a good (not great) defensive outfielder if not in CF. Ozuna was a better outfielder using defensive metrics early in his career, but he had some issues in St. Louis in his last year there. And then there is also the legitimate concern with Ozuna is whether or not he gets a Qualifying Offer. Right now, the theory is Bloom won't be signing anyone with one. It doesn't matter whether or not any of us think it should be a factor. There is the very real possibility that it is with the only person whose opinion counts.

 

Of course, the most likely LF in Boston next year is still Benintendi. While Boston will need to add an OF, the obvious need is a CF. Ozuna has played there, but not regularly since 2016 and not at all since 2017. While Pederson has played CF more recently, he is not very good at it.

 

Springer, on the other hand, is the best CF of the bunch, and by a lot. Of course, despite his being a perfect fit for multiple reasons mentioned above, I think neither he nor Ozuna are not going to happen...

Edited October 6, 2020 by notin

[notin]

Looks like Robert Stock won't be back next season:

 

@RobertStock6

Thinkin about signing up for the Space Force

 

 

I preferred him over Valdez...

[notin]

Stroman will definitely get a QO. I'd expect Quintana to get one too

 

I think the list of definite Qualifying Offers is smaller than many think. Outside of Bauer, Springer and Realmuto, is anyone else definite?

 

There are a few in the possible/priobable range, and that is where I put Stroman. Teams simply might not be spending enough this year to had out $18mill candy bars...

[mvp 78]

Sign JBJ and Kevin Millar. They should be cheap.

[notin]

Sign JBJ and Kevin Millar. They should be cheap.

 

.. and are probably both on the radar...

[Bellhorn04]

Sign JBJ and Kevin Millar. They should be cheap.

 

I have a suspicion another team offers more for JBJ than we're willing to. Maybe even a small market team looking to make a mini-splash.

[Thunder]

Ozuna would be sweet. But the premise was finding the underrated free agents, which is what I suspect will be at least part of the plan. Why sign Ozuna when Springer is right there, too? And is just a little bit older, a lot better, local, has connections with the team (former college teammate of Matt Barnes) and grew up as a Red Sox fan?

 

Last year was Ozuna's one year "prove it" deal where he tried to bounce back offensively and destroy a ruined defensive reputation. Unlikely he settles for another one year deal, and no idea what type of years he wants. Pederson is actually a good (not great) defensive outfielder if not in CF. Ozuna was a better outfielder using defensive metrics early in his career, but he had some issues in St. Louis in his last year there. And then there is also the legitimate concern with Ozuna is whether or not he gets a Qualifying Offer. Right now, the theory is Bloom won't be signing anyone with one. It doesn't matter whether or not any of us think it should be a factor. There is the very real possibility that it is with the only person whose opinion counts.

 

Of course, the most likely LF in Boston next year is still Benintendi. While Boston will need to add an OF, the obvious need is a CF. Ozuna has played there, but not regularly since 2016 and not at all since 2017. While Pederson has played CF more recently, he is not very good at it.

 

Springer, on the other hand, is the best CF of the bunch, and by a lot. Of course, despite his being a perfect fit for multiple reasons mentioned above, I think neither he nor Ozuna are not going to happen...

 

Talk dirty to me /heart eyes emoji

[Bellhorn04]

Talk dirty to me /heart eyes emoji

 

Sorry man, not enough slices in the money pie for George.

[dgalehouse]

Robert Stock seems like an interesting guy.

[mvp 78]

Talk dirty to me /heart eyes emoji

 

 

Why would we want a cheater like that tho?

[mvp 78]

Robert Stock seems like an interesting guy.

 

He's a good follow on twitter for sure.

[mvp 78]

I have a suspicion another team offers more for JBJ than we're willing to. Maybe even a small market team looking to make a mini-splash.

 

More like a toilet flush of money, amirite?

 

I'd be surprised if JBJ got more than 6AAV. Pillar barely got a sniff last year and he's a decent comp.

[Thunder]

Why would we want a cheater like that tho?

 

Oh, I've said numerous times before that I don't want him on my team. Don't worry yourself

[mvp 78]

Oh, I've said numerous times before that I don't want him on my team. Don't worry yourself

 

I know. It's almost as frequent as that master baiter joke.

[harmony]

Ozuna would be sweet. But the premise was finding the underrated free agents, which is what I suspect will be at least part of the plan. Why sign Ozuna when Springer is right there, too? And is just a little bit older, a lot better, local, has connections with the team (former college teammate of Matt Barnes) and grew up as a Red Sox fan?

 

Last year was Ozuna's one year "prove it" deal where he tried to bounce back offensively and destroy a ruined defensive reputation. Unlikely he settles for another one year deal, and no idea what type of years he wants. Pederson is actually a good (not great) defensive outfielder if not in CF. Ozuna was a better outfielder using defensive metrics early in his career, but he had some issues in St. Louis in his last year there. And then there is also the legitimate concern with Ozuna is whether or not he gets a Qualifying Offer. Right now, the theory is Bloom won't be signing anyone with one. It doesn't matter whether or not any of us think it should be a factor. There is the very real possibility that it is with the only person whose opinion counts.

 

Of course, the most likely LF in Boston next year is still Benintendi. While Boston will need to add an OF, the obvious need is a CF. Ozuna has played there, but not regularly since 2016 and not at all since 2017. While Pederson has played CF more recently, he is not very good at it.

 

Springer, on the other hand, is the best CF of the bunch, and by a lot. Of course, despite his being a perfect fit for multiple reasons mentioned above, I think neither he nor Ozuna are not going to happen...

Can the Braves give Marcell Ozuna a qualifyng offer after Ozuna turned down the Cardinals' qualifying offer a year ago?

[Bellhorn04]

More like a toilet flush of money, amirite?

 

I'd be surprised if JBJ got more than 6AAV. Pillar barely got a sniff last year and he's a decent comp.

 

But JBJ had a 1.4 fWAR in 55 games. Which would equate to an fWAR of 3.5-4.0 for a full season.

 

And Pillar had a 1.1 fWAR.

[Kimmi]

But ticket sales are also important to the business of running a team.

 

Of course, but that should not factor into building the team. Promote your ticket sales in other ways.

 

Build a team to win, not to put fans in the seats. If a team is winning, then fans in the seats will naturally follow.

[Bellhorn04]

Of course, but that should not factor into building the team. Promote your ticket sales in other ways.

 

Build a team to win, not to put fans in the seats. If a team is winning, then fans in the seats will naturally follow.

 

Unless you're the Rays.

[Thunder]

I know. It's almost as frequent as that master baiter joke.

 

There was a pair of boy girl twins in my HS class that also live down the street with the last name Bator. People had fun with that. People had fun with my name too

[harmony]

A Red Sox blogger asks whether the Sox should give Jackie Bradley Jr. a qualifying offer:

 

https://bosoxinjection.com/2020/10/06/red-sox-jackie-bradley-jr-receive-qualifying-offer/

 

Bradley likely would not fare well in the free agent market if he declined a qualifying offer. The compensatory draft pick might kill his market value.

[oldtimer]

There was a pair of boy girl twins in my HS class that also live down the street with the last name Bator. People had fun with that. People had fun with my name too

 

There was an anthropologist that my father knew at Harvard University who wrote a book, Up From the Apes His last name was Hooten. He sired two children. The son they named Newton and the daughter Ima. My father was born in 1896 and was one of the knot hole gang and had lots of quirky stories. I used to think it something when my dad could throw a baseball well at 75. Now I'm very close to 80 and have a brother 85 and we both still play competitive softball and have good arms. Must run in the family. Enough nostalgia, but not much will get going until after the WS.

[Thunder]

There was an anthropologist that my father knew at Harvard University who wrote a book, Up From the Apes His last name was Hooten. He sired two children. The son they named Newton and the daughter Ima. My father was born in 1896 and was one of the knot hole gang and had lots of quirky stories. I used to think it something when my dad could throw a baseball well at 75. Now I'm very close to 80 and have a brother 85 and we both still play competitive softball and have good arms. Must run in the family. Enough nostalgia, but not much will get going until after the WS.

 

Cool story. With any luck I'll still be playing ball at your age, but I can't even picture what that will be like

[notin]

There was an anthropologist that my father knew at Harvard University who wrote a book, Up From the Apes His last name was Hooten. He sired two children. The son they named Newton and the daughter Ima. My father was born in 1896 and was one of the knot hole gang and had lots of quirky stories. I used to think it something when my dad could throw a baseball well at 75. Now I'm very close to 80 and have a brother 85 and we both still play competitive softball and have good arms. Must run in the family. Enough nostalgia, but not much will get going until after the WS.

 

Sired?

 

I mean, it's technically correct. Just rarely hear it used to describe humans.

 

But then we are talking about an anthropologist...

[notin]

There was an anthropologist that my father knew at Harvard University who wrote a book, Up From the Apes His last name was Hooten. He sired two children. The son they named Newton and the daughter Ima. My father was born in 1896 and was one of the knot hole gang and had lots of quirky stories. I used to think it something when my dad could throw a baseball well at 75. Now I'm very close to 80 and have a brother 85 and we both still play competitive softball and have good arms. Must run in the family. Enough nostalgia, but not much will get going until after the WS.

 

Also, this fellow apparently also wrote a book titled Apes, Men and Morons, which is a much cooler title

[moonslav59]

But JBJ had a 1.4 fWAR in 55 games. Which would equate to an fWAR of 3.5-4.0 for a full season.

 

And Pillar had a 1.1 fWAR.

 

Pillar may come at half the cost and maybe 1 yr vs 2 yrs.