2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

Roenicke gone.

 

JBJ?

 

How will Bloom spend now that the tax cap has been reset?

[moonslav59]

I don't think JBJ is back.

 

I think Bloom spends on two 2nd tier FAs and 4-6 one/two year capable, bridge-type players. He keeps $7-10M for summer spending, if called for. That means he spends about $60M on 6-8 FAs.

 

No moves he will make will be designed to hurt our chances in 2022.

[Monster24]

Roenicke gone.

 

JBJ?

 

How will Bloom spend now that the tax cap has been reset?

Depends on the salary JBJ will command- if he would take a 2 year contract at under 10 million might make sense.

I have a feeling he might get a longer contract offer but who knows?

He is clearly not a top tier FA and from watching on TV hard to tell how much his defense has regressed.

One way or the other with the pitching they have(even with improvements) need a good defensive outfield.

Beni and Verdugo fine in the corners so Blooms task is to make sure CF is taken care of

[dgalehouse]

Depends on the salary JBJ will command- if he would take a 2 year contract at under 10 million might make sense.

I have a feeling he might get a longer contract offer but who knows?

He is clearly not a top tier FA and from watching on TV hard to tell how much his defense has regressed.

One way or the other with the pitching they have(even with improvements) need a good defensive outfield.

Beni and Verdugo fine in the corners so Blooms task is to make sure CF is taken care of

 

I think the best way to make sure centerfield is taken care of is to re-sign JBJ . But I'm not sure he wants to come back. From what I can see , his defense has not regressed all that much. I do think people put too much faith in some of these advanced metrics.

[Nick]

I don't think JBJ is back.

 

I think Bloom spends on two 2nd tier FAs and 4-6 one/two year capable, bridge-type players. He keeps $7-10M for summer spending, if called for. That means he spends about $60M on 6-8 FAs.

 

No moves he will make will be designed to hurt our chances in 2022.

 

That's the best short synopsis for this off season Moon.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think JBJ is back.

 

I think Bloom spends on two 2nd tier FAs and 4-6 one/two year capable, bridge-type players. He keeps $7-10M for summer spending, if called for. That means he spends about $60M on 6-8 FAs.

 

No moves he will make will be designed to hurt our chances in 2022.

 

I'm not sure he's got as much money to play with as you're suggesting.

[Bellhorn04]

Cot's has the Red Sox as about $68 million under the first tax threshold for 2021.

 

BUT that only includes players who are already under contract for 2021.

 

So it doesn't include E-Rod or Perez or any of the minimum wage guys, for starters.

 

A lot depends on whether they decide to exceed that threshold or not.

Edited September 28, 2020 by Bellhorn04

[mvp 78]

I don't think they are going to sign any big name guys. I think they'll go for under the radar guys and will still probably stay under the tax cap. I don't think they go over the cap again until they are ready to compete for another title.

[notin]

I don't think they are going to sign any big name guys. I think they'll go for under the radar guys and will still probably stay under the tax cap. I don't think they go over the cap again until they are ready to compete for another title.

 

They have seen that spending on multiple second tier names can have some success, like they did back in 2013...

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think they are going to sign any big name guys. I think they'll go for under the radar guys and will still probably stay under the tax cap. I don't think they go over the cap again until they are ready to compete for another title.

 

Don't forget the tweet though...

[mvp 78]

Don't forget the tweet though...

 

Which one?

[Bellhorn04]

Which one?

 

Celebrating the tax re-set.

[mvp 78]

Celebrating the tax re-set.

 

I'm not going to worry about what some low level staffer posted. It's not like that came from Henry's phone.

[moonslav59]

Cot's has the Red Sox as about $68 million under the first tax threshold for 2021.

 

BUT that only includes players who are already under contract for 2021.

 

So it doesn't include E-Rod or Perez or any of the minimum wage guys, for starters.

 

A lot depends on whether they decide to exceed that threshold or not.

 

Here are the arbs for 2021 (2020 salary):

 

ERod ($8.3M) 4 of 4

Barnes ($3M) 3 of 3

Peraza ($2.9M) 3 of 4 (non tendered?)

Godley (min) 2 of 3

Plawecki ($900K) 3 of 4

Covey ($692K) 1 of 3

Devers (Min) 1 of 3

Pivetta (Min) 1 of 3

Brasier (Min) 1 of 3

Brice (Min) 1 of 3 (Non tendered?)

 

Verdugo, Weber, Taylor, Walden, Brewer, D Hern & others are pre-arb

[notin]

Here are the arbs for 2021 (2020 salary):

 

ERod ($8.3M) 4 of 4

Barnes ($3M) 3 of 3

Peraza ($2.9M) 3 of 4 (non tendered?)

Godley (min) 2 of 3

Plawecki ($900K) 3 of 4

Covey ($692K) 1 of 3

Devers (Min) 1 of 3

Pivetta (Min) 1 of 3

Brasier (Min) 1 of 3

Brice (Min) 1 of 3 (Non tendered?)

 

Verdugo, Weber, Taylor, Walden, Brewer, D Hern & others are pre-arb

 

Safe to assume Peraza is not going to be a factor. He's the foremost non-tender candidate, possibly more so than Lin and Brice...

[moonslav59]

Safe to assume Peraza is not going to be a factor. He's the foremost non-tender candidate, possibly more so than Lin and Brice...

 

Yes, Lin is out of options, but he is pre-arb, so they may keep him as a min wager on the 26 man opening day roster.

[mvp 78]

Here are the arbs for 2021 (2020 salary):

 

ERod ($8.3M) 4 of 4

Barnes ($3M) 3 of 3

Peraza ($2.9M) 3 of 4 (non tendered?)

Godley (min) 2 of 3

Plawecki ($900K) 3 of 4

Covey ($692K) 1 of 3

Devers (Min) 1 of 3

Pivetta (Min) 1 of 3

Brasier (Min) 1 of 3

Brice (Min) 1 of 3 (Non tendered?)

 

Verdugo, Weber, Taylor, Walden, Brewer, D Hern & others are pre-arb

 

Nontender Godley too? Maybe even Covey?

 

Brice wasn't great, but he's a AAAA guy that you can use in a pinch.

[mvp 78]

Extend Devers?

 

Extend Verdugo?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Most amazing stat of 2020: Houck only pitched three games and still tied for the top WAR on the entire staff with Eovaldi and Perez; only three position players had higher value for the sprint season -- Bradley, Verdugo and Bogaerts.

 

When it comes to position players, I think just about anyone is fair game in trade talks this winter -- except X and Devers, who they'll try to fix (especially on D), depending on new management/coaching staff. He's still young, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox give it one more year before deciding position changes are in order -- Rafie at first, Rafie at DH, Rafie at Atlanta for pitching prospects -- which could include radical moves like sliding Bogie over and signing a star free agent shortstop... or freeing the Rockies of Arenado's contract (as long as they threw in a good arm). Nolan had a JD 2020...

 

I'd hate to see Verdugo go, but you can be sure Bloom will listen to any offer that includes a controllable stud pitcher. That's why Vazquez may be dealt, as well. I also wouldn't be surprised if Beni, Dalbec and/or Chavis are flipped for mere perceived upgrades. Same with Barnes and Braiser. JBJ, thanks for the memories.

[moonslav59]

Nontender Godley too? Maybe even Covey?

 

Brice wasn't great, but he's a AAAA guy that you can use in a pinch.

 

None of these guys would get big arb raises, but they can easily be replaced with min wage players, saving us a few hundreds of thousands on the budget.

[moonslav59]

Most amazing stat of 2020: Houck only pitched three games and still tied for the top WAR on the entire staff with Eovaldi and Perez; only three position players had higher value for the sprint season -- Bradley, Verdugo and Bogaerts.

 

When it comes to position players, I think just about anyone is fair game in trade talks this winter -- except X and Devers, who they'll try to fix (especially on D), depending on new management/coaching staff. He's still young, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox give it one more year before deciding position changes are in order -- Rafie at first, Rafie at DH, Rafie at Atlanta for pitching prospects -- which could include radical moves like sliding Bogie over and signing a star free agent shortstop... or freeing the Rockies of Arenado's contract (as long as they threw in a good arm). Nolan had a JD 2020...

 

I'd hate to see Verdugo go, but you can be sure Bloom will listen to any offer that includes a controllable stud pitcher. That's why Vazquez may be dealt, as well. I also wouldn't be surprised if Beni, Dalbec and/or Chavis are flipped for mere perceived upgrades. Same with Barnes and Braiser. JBJ, thanks for the memories.

 

I'm not sure trading Barnes, this winter, while his stock is low, makes sense. He may be a summer 2021 trade candidate.

 

I can see us looking to deal Vaz, Beni & Chavis and non tendering a lot of players (Brice, Covey, Godley, Springs, Triggs, Hall, Kickham, Stock and Lin).

[notin]

I'm not sure trading Barnes, this winter, while his stock is low, makes sense. He may be a summer 2021 trade candidate.

 

I can see us looking to deal Vaz, Beni & Chavis and non tendering a lot of players (Brice, Covey, Godley, Springs, Triggs, Hall, Kickham, Stock and Lin).

 

Covey and Stock (and Mazza) did look better with their advanced metrics, and that might give them a chance at sticking. Kickham, Triggs, Springs, and Matt "Spin Rate" Hall might not be so lucky...

[mvp 78]

Covey and Stock (and Mazza) did look better with their advanced metrics, and that might give them a chance at sticking. Kickham, Triggs, Springs, and Matt "Spin Rate" Hall might not be so lucky...

 

I think out of all of those guys, Mazza has the best shot of sticking around.

[moonslav59]

I think out of all of those guys, Mazza has the best shot of sticking around.

 

Agreed. Maybe Covey is second.

[mvp 78]

Is it Brad Miller time? He is a LHH UTIL guy you can platoon when needed.

[mvp 78]

Maybe the Padres don't pick up Moreland's option and Sox re-sign?

 

$3MM club option with $500K buyout: The 35-year-old raked with the Red Sox but saw his bat collapse upon a trade to the Padres, for whom he’s posted a dismal .203/.247/.362 slash in 73 plate appearances. It’s still a cheap price, and the Padres gave up some minor league talent to get Moreland, so perhaps he’s still in the 2021 plans.

[notin]

Is it Brad Miller time? He is a LHH UTIL guy you can platoon when needed.

 

He plays 1B, 2B and corner OF and posted a respectable .807 OPS in 171 PA this year, not to mention Bloom has acquired him before. While certainly not the most exciting acquisition, I would put him as Bloom's Most Likely Acquisition (a distinction not based on team need, just probability)...

[moonslav59]

He plays 1B, 2B and corner OF and posted a respectable .807 OPS in 171 PA this year, not to mention Bloom has acquired him before. While certainly not the most exciting acquisition, I would put him as Bloom's Most Likely Acquisition (a distinction not based on team need, just probability)...

 

Seems like a perfect fit. It would possibly allow us to not have to fill 2 other slots (2B, 1B and 4th OF'er). My guess is, we'll sign a CF'er, 4th OF'er and a guy like Miller (2B/1B) or we could sign a 2Bman and a 1B/OF type (like Miller).

[mvp 78]

One thing Bloom does need to figure out is if he wants to keep Devers at 3B or have him transition this offseason. Maybe he believes Devers will just move to DH when JD's contract ends?

[notin]

One thing Bloom does need to figure out is if he wants to keep Devers at 3B or have him transition this offseason. Maybe he believes Devers will just move to DH when JD's contract ends?

 

The Sox ranked 30th in UZR/150 and 26th in DRS at 3B. Maybe move Devers to 1B and Dalbec to 3B?