Chavis is not A MLB caliber player it’s time ......

[Swiharts Ghost]

Waivers ? DFA Trade and cash ? I don’t ever need to see him play again .I don’t think he Deserves one more at bat at this level and for this team .Please Get him out of here yesterday .Total Bust

[Thunder]

I don't think you deserve to make one more thread

[Swiharts Ghost]

I don't think you deserve to make one more thread

Dalbac is a better player period .Benny and Chavis suck .Hell I’d get rid of VAZ Benny and Whifffff.Crap reply but whatevahhhhh

Edited August 25, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[Noles_1335]

Dalbac is a better player period .Benny and Chavis suck .Hell I’d get rid of VAZ Benny and Whifffff.Crap reply but whatevahhhhh

 

Ghost.... I completely agree! We need some changes.... give Dalbec a chance and see what he’s got!

[Kimmi]

Chavis has been one of the most frustrating players of late. That said, it's too soon to give up on him. His peripherals do not bode well for him, but it's still a small sample. If there's a trade that makes sense, then you do it. But don't trade him based on less than a season's worth of play.

 

I say this as someone who has never been fully able to get on the Chavis bandwagon due to his earlier PEDs violation.

[mvp 78]

Chavis has been one of the most frustrating players of late. That said, it's too soon to give up on him. His peripherals do not bode well for him, but it's still a small sample. If there's a trade that makes sense, then you do it. But don't trade him based on less than a season's worth of play.

 

I say this as someone who has never been fully able to get on the Chavis bandwagon due to his earlier PEDs violation.

 

His high k rate and huge hole in his swing have nothing to do with PEDs. There's just not a whole lot there. He's not great in the field. He doesn't run well. He just hits dingers. The only problem is that it's no longer a unique skill.

[oldtimer]

Chavis has been one of the most frustrating players of late. That said, it's too soon to give up on him. His peripherals do not bode well for him, but it's still a small sample. If there's a trade that makes sense, then you do it. But don't trade him based on less than a season's worth of play.

 

I say this as someone who has never been fully able to get on the Chavis bandwagon due to his earlier PEDs violation.

 

Chavis has one ability the Sox are short of, and that is power.The question I have is does he come by that power with a exaggerated swing? He surely chases and has misses, especially in the top of the zone. Could he change his plate approach, raise his contact rate and become more valuable? That would help his career but it is by no means assured or particularly likely. It may come down to how the coaches feel about his attitude and willingness to make adjustments needed for improvement. I forgive him for the one time PED issue. Just don't do it again.

[notin]

Chavis has an OPS of .852 vs LHP. Since he's basically just Moreland's platoon partner at 1b, how is that a bad thing?

 

He's a role player who cannot do much outside his role, but can handle his role well enough. Leave him as a RHH 1B and focus on other positions...

[mvp 78]

Chavis has an OPS of .852 vs LHP. Since he's basically just Moreland's platoon partner at 1b, how is that a bad thing?

 

He's a role player who cannot do much outside his role, but can handle his role well enough. Leave him as a RHH 1B and focus on other positions...

 

He's fine. He's cheap. Maybe he'll become a better 1b, but he's not a butcher out there.

[notin]

He's fine. He's cheap. Maybe he'll become a better 1b, but he's not a butcher out there.

 

 

He has a clear role that works for him. If the Sox keep him in that role, he's fine. But his .553 OPS vs RHP is concerning and should keep him out of any full time 2B talk forever...

[mvp 78]

He has a clear role that works for him. If the Sox keep him in that role, he's fine. But his .553 OPS vs RHP is concerning and should keep him out of any full time 2B talk forever...

 

Yeah, no to full time. I think the idea was that Chavis would platoon at 2b and Dalbec would platoon at 1b.

[notin]

Yeah, no to full time. I think the idea was that Chavis would platoon at 2b and Dalbec would platoon at 1b.

 

Dalbec is much better trade bait, IMO. And as he is blocked at 3B and limited to a platoon at 1B, why not deal him for a player who can fill a full time role?

 

Probably cannot get a SP for him, but what about a CF? Or a full time 2B who is not named Jose Peraza?

 

Baseballtradevalues.com places Dalbec (19.7) roughly equal to Brewers' SP Adrian Houser (19.4), 2B Isan Diaz (17.2), CF Harrison Bader (20.7) or Byron Buxton (18.6). Now that doesn't mean all these teams want Dalbec. But he has some value...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He has a clear role that works for him. If the Sox keep him in that role, he's fine. But his .553 OPS vs RHP is concerning and should keep him out of any full time 2B talk forever...

 

Plus, offensive splits shouldn't factor into the Sox plan on infield defense going forward, especially since outfield -- Boston's specialty on D in their first-place run -- will no longer be a strength (with Betts, and presumably JBJ and maybe Beni gone). Everyone rightly points to solid pitching as a key to turning things around, but the whole equation is pitching + defense = respectability.

 

Chavis is not a longterm option at second; maybe someday it will be Arauz or Downs or Bogie if he stays... but right now it's musical mediocrity.

[notin]

Plus, offensive splits shouldn't factor into the Sox plan on infield defense going forward, especially since outfield -- Boston's specialty on D in their first-place run -- will no longer be a strength (with Betts, and presumably JBJ and maybe Beni gone). Everyone rightly points to solid pitching as a key to turning things around, but the whole equation is pitching + defense = respectability.

 

Chavis is not a longterm option at second; maybe someday it will be Arauz or Downs or Bogie if he stays... but right now it's musical mediocrity.

 

Downs is definitely long term. Arauz is a utility infielder. Peraza is a non-tender candidate. The Sox could upgrade at 2B...

[mvp 78]

Downs is definitely long term. Arauz is a utility infielder. Peraza is a non-tender candidate. The Sox could upgrade at 2B...

 

Peraza is cheap. They'll keep him until Downs is ready. Then he'll get DFA'd.

[mvp 78]

Dalbec is much better trade bait, IMO. And as he is blocked at 3B and limited to a platoon at 1B, why not deal him for a player who can fill a full time role?

 

Probably cannot get a SP for him, but what about a CF? Or a full time 2B who is not named Jose Peraza?

 

Baseballtradevalues.com places Dalbec (19.7) roughly equal to Brewers' SP Adrian Houser (19.4), 2B Isan Diaz (17.2), CF Harrison Bader (20.7) or Byron Buxton (18.6). Now that doesn't mean all these teams want Dalbec. But he has some value...

 

Dalbec is better vs LHP, but he's not a dog vs RHP. I think you platoon Dalbec at 1b until he gets his feet wet, then he's an everyday guy.

[notin]

Peraza is cheap. They'll keep him until Downs is ready. Then he'll get DFA'd.

 

Jonathan Schoop is a good free agent option, and seems only capable of getting one year deals. He has good Fenway power, is probably about average defensively at 2B, and meets the primary free agent criteria Bloom seems to have (as he's under 30). He is also apparently pretty tight with Xander Bogaerts.

 

Non-tender Peraza and sign Schoop. Problem solved for one year...

[notin]

Dalbec is better vs LHP, but he's not a dog vs RHP. I think you platoon Dalbec at 1b until he gets his feet wet, then he's an everyday guy.

 

That's a possibility, too. Although I have questions about what he is going forward. If he is Russell Branyan 2.0, is he a worthwhile full time 1b?

 

He' already 26. His prospect window is closing rapidly. If he has a future here, maybe he needs to be called up soon...

[mvp 78]

Jonathan Schoop is a good free agent option, and seems only capable of getting one year deals. He has good Fenway power, is probably about average defensively at 2B, and meets the primary free agent criteria Bloom seems to have (as he's under 30). He is also apparently pretty tight with Xander Bogaerts.

 

Non-tender Peraza and sign Schoop. Problem solved for one year...

 

I was going to say no to Schoop, but realized I was getting him confused with the hated Robert Andino.

[mvp 78]

That's a possibility, too. Although I have questions about what he is going forward. If he is Russell Branyan 2.0, is he a worthwhile full time 1b?

 

He' already 26. His prospect window is closing rapidly. If he has a future here, maybe he needs to be called up soon...

 

Yes, 2021.

[notin]

I was going to say no to Schoop, but realized I was getting him confused with the hated Robert Andino.

 

1. How?

2. Why hate on Robert Andino?

3. How? Andino retired like 8 years ago?

[Bellhorn04]

1. How?

2. Why hate on Robert Andino?

3. How? Andino retired like 8 years ago?

 

2011.

[notin]

2011.

 

2016. I looked it up. He came bacl to MLB briefly on the Marlins that year at got all of 24 plate appearnces.

 

Despite popular and understandable belief, apparently the Marlins are still an MLB franchise...

[Bellhorn04]

2016. I looked it up. He came bacl to MLB briefly on the Marlins that year at got all of 24 plate appearnces.

 

Despite popular and understandable belief, apparently the Marlins are still an MLB franchise...

 

I meant 2011 is why he's unpopular with Sox fans.

[notin]

I meant 2011 is why he's unpopular with Sox fans.

 

See, some of us thought that to be the major moment of Steinbrenner Hypocrisy when coupled with The George's rant after the ending of the 2005 season on how the Rangers, who were playing for nothing, were supposed to their final game seriously against the Angels. But Showalter did not and played his B Team in a game with postseason implications, and it would up costing the Yankees a home series against the Angels (who then later bounced them).

 

The irony, of course, was that the Yankees actually controlled their own fate that year, but also played their B Team against the Red Sox in the final game and got smoked. But that didn't stop Steinbrenner from ranting against Showalter and the Rangers. And sent a clear message that George expected other teams to take games with post-season implications seriously, but the Yankees did not have to.

 

 

So I harbor no ill will against Andino for doing his job...

[mvp 78]

I meant 2011 is why he's unpopular with Sox fans.

 

https://nesn.com/2011/09/robert-andino-lands-another-blow-to-red-sox/

[Swiharts Ghost]

His high k rate and huge hole in his swing have nothing to do with PEDs. There's just not a whole lot there. He's not great in the field. He doesn't run well. He just hits dingers. The only problem is that it's no longer a unique skill.

 

This may be the best analysis on Chavis ever ! Short to the point cutting the bs like a hot butter knife .More please of this .

[harmony]

One-on-one comparisons are virtually worthless but I found fascinating these lines from the first two seasons of Travis Shaw and Michael Chavis as Red Sox infielders:

 

TS 2015-16 777 PA, .251/.312/.442/.754

MC 2019-20 445 PA, .251/.315/.440/.754

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/shawtr01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/chavimi01.shtml

[Swiharts Ghost]

Ghost.... I completely agree! We need some changes.... give Dalbec a chance and see what he’s got!

 

Thankyou and I’ve really come to question the way we have treated this player .I have been patient with others and I’ve watched the big team destroy Swi .I don’t trust them right now and question our scouting period .I believe in this player he’s been patient himself .....it’s time to cut the fat and let’s get on with this rebuild .Dalbec is playing in two weeks as a regular or I’m done with 2020 honestly .

[Swiharts Ghost]

One-on-one comparisons are virtually worthless but I found fascinating these lines from the first two seasons of Travis Shaw and Michael Chavis as Red Sox infielders:

 

TS 2015-16 777 PA, .251/.312/.442/.754

MC 2019-20 445 PA, .251/.315/.440/.754

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/shawtr01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/chavimi01.shtml

 

I’m sorry your a bright person but this is why some stats are as useless as tits on a bull.Harmony I think you are great though .