Eduardo Rodriguez COVID thread

[Bellhorn04]

The way the MLB is going about playing the season is very irresponsible. Yesterday 4 Florida Marlins tested positive for covid 19 pitcher Jose Urena catcher Jorge Alfaro first baseman Garrett Cooper and outfielder Harold Ramirez. The Marlins manager Don Mattingly said that we are taking risks everyday by playing baseball. There's too many unknown from this virus as it can attack each individual differently some recovers fully while some has secondary effects such as Rodriguez which attack the heart some have irreversible lung damage.

 

The NHL has done it right it gathered all the teams into 2 cities upon arrival they go to the designated hotel they quarantine for 14 days nobody leaves the bubble all the food is brought in the only travel is to the arena on the team bus and back to the hotel nobody leaves the bubble for any reason they are stuck there for 2 months until the season over, Unlike the MLB which allows team to travel within the epicentre corona virus the US and to the hotspots of the virus. The Canadian government was smart by not allowing the Blue Jays to play in Canada they put their citizen ahead of sports and that's why Canada has flatten the curve and their numbers are steadily going down.

 

The US has 10 times the population of Canada the US recorded 38 times more covid 19 cases and 17 times more death than Canada while both countries are neighbouring each other they're going in entirely in different direction Canada has flatten the curve and slowly showing sign of total recovery while The US is surging and breaking new record high in infections daily.

 

Consequently this MLB season may not make it very far.

[mvp 78]

The way the MLB is going about playing the season is very irresponsible. Yesterday 4 Florida Marlins tested positive for covid 19 pitcher Jose Urena catcher Jorge Alfaro first baseman Garrett Cooper and outfielder Harold Ramirez. The Marlins manager Don Mattingly said that we are taking risks everyday by playing baseball. There's too many unknown from this virus as it can attack each individual differently some recovers fully while some has secondary effects such as Rodriguez which attack the heart some have irreversible lung damage.

 

The NHL has done it right it gathered all the teams into 2 cities upon arrival they go to the designated hotel they quarantine for 14 days nobody leaves the bubble all the food is brought in the only travel is to the arena on the team bus and back to the hotel nobody leaves the bubble for any reason they are stuck there for 2 months until the season over, Unlike the MLB which allows team to travel within the epicentre corona virus the US and to the hotspots of the virus. The Canadian government was smart by not allowing the Blue Jays to play in Canada they put their citizen ahead of sports and that's why Canada has flatten the curve and their numbers are steadily going down.

 

The US has 10 times the population of Canada the US recorded 38 times more covid 19 cases and 17 times more death than Canada while both countries are neighbouring each other they're going in entirely in different direction Canada has flatten the curve and slowly showing sign of total recovery while The US is surging and breaking new record high in infections daily.

 

As we saw with the NBA bubble and players sneaking out, human nature will always bring too much risk. Does having everyone in one location actually make it worse when someone inevitably gets sick? Is the bubble life causing people to drop their guard around others also in the bubble?

 

I think MLB is in a better position to play during a pandemic because there is less human contact. NBA/NHL/NFL all seem much riskier to me.

[Larry33]

I don't think the MLB is better position than any other sport there still no social distancing everyone together in the clubhouse, team bus, airplane and dugouts. Heck I've been watching the game they're not wearing mask the sitting and talking within close proximity. Plus they're travelling across a country that's the world covid 19 hotspot with 40 of 50 state surging in new cases. The commissioner is as crazy as your dumb f@#k President he's too stupid to realize that you need to have strict measures to c this virus under control.

 

I can see a bunch of players getting infected that is going to force this season cancelled before it's played out.

[jacksonianmarch]

They’re the easiest game to distance but their commissioner once again showed how f***ing stupid he is. The NBA got it right. There’s NO way to ensure social distancing without a bubble. It takes one player to cause an outbreak

[jacksonianmarch]

ERod out for the season. No surprise

[Swiharts Ghost]

ERod out for the season. No surprise

 

Thanks for the news I’m sure you couldn’t wait .So on time .I hope this season is cancelled yesterday what an absolute train wreck

[mvp 78]

Thanks for the news I’m sure you couldn’t wait .So on time .I hope this season is cancelled yesterday what an absolute train wreck

 

I’d rather the Sox reset.

[moonslav59]

Just trade everybody not part of the 2021 or maybe even 2022 plan.

 

Let's make us better long term.

 

The short term is a massive cliff.

[Larry Cook]

Who is the Simpleton that let the marlin players go to a bar??

 

Can you say moron? Does anybody in that organization have any sense?

[mvp 78]

Who is the Simpleton that let the marlin players go to a bar??

 

Can you say moron? Does anybody in that organization have any sense?

 

That would be Manfred.

[harmony]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes-coronavirus-heart-complications/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_virusathletes-830am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

[Larry Cook]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes-coronavirus-heart-complications/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_virusathletes-830am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

 

This is exactly why the colleges need to shut down all fall sports this year.

 

The mac and the Ivy League are shutting downs football and the other conferences need to as well. Then basketball and the other fall/winter spirts should be shut down as well.

 

This virus is deadly serious, why aren’t we taking it as such!

[mvp 78]

Jacko,

 

Can you give us some thoughts as to what you are thinking about this now?

[harmony]

What are the chances the Red Sox do not tender Eduardo Rodriguez a 2021 contract working off the lefthander's 2020 salary of $8.3 million? If the Sox do not tender Rodriguez a contract, will Rodriguez look elsewhere instead of negotiating a lower salary with the Sox? Does Rodriguez harbor ill feelings after losing in arbitration last offseason when the panel went with the team's $8.3 million figure over his proposal of $8.975 million? MLB Trade Rumors had projected Rodriguez with a 2020 salary of $9.5 million coming off his 19-win season.

 

Rodriguez is scheduled to become a free agent after the 2021 season.

 

The offseason could be more interesting than the 2020 season.

 

Or not.

[moonslav59]

I doubt players hold significant and long-lasting grudges over arbitration rulings against them.

 

Usually, the differences are not that stark, and $8.3M for an oft-injured pitcher is pretty damn good.

[Larry Cook]

What are the chances the Red Sox do not tender Eduardo Rodriguez a 2021 contract working off the lefthander's 2020 salary of $8.3 million? If the Sox do not tender Rodriguez a contract, will Rodriguez look elsewhere instead of negotiating a lower salary with the Sox? Does Rodriguez harbor ill feelings after losing in arbitration last offseason when the panel went with the team's $8.3 million figure over his proposal of $8.975 million? MLB Trade Rumors had projected Rodriguez with a 2020 salary of $9.5 million coming off his 19-win season.

 

Rodriguez is scheduled to become a free agent after the 2021 season.

 

The offseason could be more interesting than the 2020 season.

 

Or not.

 

Rodriguez would need to have a nice start to the 2021 season to have any trade deadline value.

 

Texas could offer us some nice prospects for him!

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko,

 

Can you give us some thoughts as to what you are thinking about this now?

 

It’s uncharted waters to be honest. We know there are many viruses that can cause myocarditis, most of them very common. Just a rare complication of some viruses that cause pink eye, the GI bug or the common cold. The problem with myocarditis is that once you get it the course can be variable from severe acute congestive failure and deadly arrythmias to reversible diminished function and no residual effects to anything in between. We don’t have enough data to determine if covid induced myocarditis causes a more concerning or less concerning long term picture. That’s the issue here, ERod is literally in uncharted medical territory, which isnt where you want to be as a mid twenties professional athlete.

 

There are two pieces of info I’d like to know that haven’t been released.

 

1. Has he had any arrythmias? Myocarditis can lead to ventricular and atrial dysrhythmias and if he’s had ventricular dysrhythmias, then he’d be a candidate for a defibrillator.

 

2. What is his residual Ejection fraction? The standard person ejects 60-65% of the blood that enters the left ventricle with each beat. People with myocarditis can get all the way down to 5% and be in transplant range. Recovery can be variable, but does happen in most cases, but if his EF is down, then that means he’s at a higher risk of developing heart failure under stress or generating dysrhythmias which would keep him from playing.

 

Without the above two questions, everything is speculation. So for now, you just wait to see if he gets cleared. If he’s not cleared early on, that tells you there is residual dysfunction, and if he still has dysfunction many months out, his likelihood of recovery back to normal would be low

[notin]

It’s uncharted waters to be honest. We know there are many viruses that can cause myocarditis, most of them very common. Just a rare complication of some viruses that cause pink eye, the GI bug or the common cold. The problem with myocarditis is that once you get it the course can be variable from severe acute congestive failure and deadly arrythmias to reversible diminished function and no residual effects to anything in between. We don’t have enough data to determine if covid induced myocarditis causes a more concerning or less concerning long term picture. That’s the issue here, ERod is literally in uncharted medical territory, which isnt where you want to be as a mid twenties professional athlete.

 

There are two pieces of info I’d like to know that haven’t been released.

 

1. Has he had any arrythmias? Myocarditis can lead to ventricular and atrial dysrhythmias and if he’s had ventricular dysrhythmias, then he’d be a candidate for a defibrillator.

 

2. What is his residual Ejection fraction? The standard person ejects 60-65% of the blood that enters the left ventricle with each beat. People with myocarditis can get all the way down to 5% and be in transplant range. Recovery can be variable, but does happen in most cases, but if his EF is down, then that means he’s at a higher risk of developing heart failure under stress or generating dysrhythmias which would keep him from playing.

 

Without the above two questions, everything is speculation. So for now, you just wait to see if he gets cleared. If he’s not cleared early on, that tells you there is residual dysfunction, and if he still has dysfunction many months out, his likelihood of recovery back to normal would be low

 

And obviously we do not expect you to have access to that information.

 

But it certainly does highlight the obvious possibility of his carer being over with problems unrelated to his arm.

 

Now when it comes time to offer arbitration, the Sox should have these answers. And we have seen pitchers with arm problems - even chronic ones - get two year deals, typically in the $10mill range, despite everyone being well aware that said pitcher would miss the entire first season. These type of contracts have been awarded to Michael Pineda, Drew Smyly and Garrett Richard, all of whom are perennial high risks for missing seasons anyway...

[mvp 78]

And obviously we do not expect you to have access to that information.

 

But it certainly does highlight the obvious possibility of his carer being over with problems unrelated to his arm.

 

Now when it comes time to offer arbitration, the Sox should have these answers. And we have seen pitchers with arm problems - even chronic ones - get two year deals, typically in the $10mill range, despite everyone being well aware that said pitcher would miss the entire first season. These type of contracts have been awarded to Michael Pineda, Drew Smyly and Garrett Richard, all of whom are perennial high risks for missing seasons anyway...

 

I bet he gets 8M in arb and the Sox keep him for one more year (unless his medicals are so off the wall bad that they believe he should retire).

[notin]

I bet he gets 8M in arb and the Sox keep him for one more year (unless his medicals are so off the wall bad that they believe he should retire).

 

That's pretty much what I have been saying, just more succinctly...

[harmony]

I bet he gets 8M in arb and the Sox keep him for one more year (unless his medicals are so off the wall bad that they believe he should retire).

Or if Eduardo Rodriguez is still nearly a year away from returning.

[mvp 78]

Or if Eduardo Rodriguez is still nearly a year away from returning.

 

Considering what Jacko said above, I'm not sure how they could guess on that timetable.

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

Roenicke said the doctors treating Eduardo Rodriguez's myocarditis will have a meeting in the next day or so to determine next steps with him.

[jacksonianmarch]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/latest-on-chris-sale-eduardo-rodriguez.html

 

Cleared to start walking again? Wtf?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/latest-on-chris-sale-eduardo-rodriguez.html

 

Cleared to start walking again? Wtf?

 

No walks -- throw strikes!

[Kimmi]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/latest-on-chris-sale-eduardo-rodriguez.html

 

Cleared to start walking again? Wtf?

 

It's strange to hear that, isn't it? ERod sounds really optimistic about his prognosis though. He thinks he'll be ready to go to start next season.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's strange to hear that, isn't it? ERod sounds really optimistic about his prognosis though. He thinks he'll be ready to go to start next season.

 

Wish him the best, but don't expect him being a positive factor in 2021. Plan the winter with finding viable replacements, and consider any contribution from ERod as a bonus.

[Kimmi]

Wish him the best, but don't expect him being a positive factor in 2021. Plan the winter with finding viable replacements, and consider any contribution from ERod as a bonus.

 

I am hopeful that he'll be back, and I think he will, but I agree that he should not be counted on for anything.

[harmony]

I am hopeful that he'll be back, and I think he will, but I agree that he should not be counted on for anything.

Should the Red Sox tender Eduardo Rodriguez a contract as a measure of good will?

 

Much could depend on the medical updates between now and December 2.

[a700hitter]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/latest-on-chris-sale-eduardo-rodriguez.html

 

Cleared to start walking again? Wtf?

What does that mean ...that he has been restricted to bedrest for all this time?