How Much is the Most You'd Pay Mookie?

[notin]

to use WAR i would expect him to go from a 7 WAR player years1-5 of the contract to a 3 WAR player the years 6-8 and a 1-2 WAR player the final 2-4 years (dependent on 10 or 12 year contract)

i dont know if that qualifies as "crater" but i would expect the contract to be an overpay from year 6 on.....

NOTE: i am for reseting LT in 2020 in order to give Betts the obscene contract he is looking for.

 

I think this is thebest plan, but I don't think the Sox can reset and retain Betts and stay competitive. They might be able to unload some combination of Price, Eovaldi and Bradley, but in doing so probably have to pay a lot of money that counts against the tax or take back a bad contract or two and possibly replace the departing players if they want to compete, which is not free.

 

Maybe if the Sox try to entice another team to take a cheaper player/prospect like the Mariners did with Cano? Would you deal Price and Casas together to spend less/no money on Price and maybe get a cheaper SP who isn't horrible?

[mvp 78]

right? i had it so backwards i was paying to play!

my speed had fallen off so much that it was like i was skating in mud compared to the 20 year olds on the ice and my shifts got shorter and shorter.....

 

You have the same training regiment and DNA as Mookie?

[mvp 78]

But on the bright side, I think even in the unlikely event that the Sox trade Betts in the next 10 weeks, they will be bidders for his services come December regardless...

 

Unfortunately, I have always believed that if he walks out the door, that he doesn't come back. That's why I'm a big proponent of just re-signing him now.

[mvp 78]

I think this is thebest plan, but I don't think the Sox can reset and retain Betts and stay competitive. They might be able to unload some combination of Price, Eovaldi and Bradley, but in doing so probably have to pay a lot of money that counts against the tax or take back a bad contract or two and possibly replace the departing players if they want to compete, which is not free.

 

Maybe if the Sox try to entice another team to take a cheaper player/prospect like the Mariners did with Cano? Would you deal Price and Casas together to spend less/no money on Price and maybe get a cheaper SP who isn't horrible?

 

For Casas? No.

[notin]

Unfortunately, I have always believed that if he walks out the door, that he doesn't come back. That's why I'm a big proponent of just re-signing him now.

 

I don't think that is the given many think it is. Certainly it becomes less likely, but the Sox are clearly not out of it. They are willing to spend and, if they reset, they won't have to worry about the subsequent penalties which may or may not change depending on the next CBA. And a lot of the other big spenders will have already spent a big chunk of their allowance.

[Hitch]

Maybe the bigger issue is Pujols' contract and not Trout? Maybe having one big monster deal is easy enough to work around, but having 2 is another matter?

 

And we have Sale and Price on monster deals for the next 3/4 years. Evaoldi and JD on big contracts the next 3 years. So we already have our Pujol's and more. Unless we're buying Mookie now for four years time when he starts the decline. That would be awesome.

[notin]

For Casas? No.

 

If Casas is the best enticement to get someone to take Price, I would consider it. He's limited to 1B, which is not always to toughest position to fill.

 

Dalbec is the more logical choice,since he is blocked at his best position by Devers. Baseballtradevalues.com gives Casas (22.2) and Dalbec (19.8) fairly similar trade values, and most teams find 3B much harder to fill than 1B, not to mention Dalbec is closer to the majors.

 

But teams all evaluate prospects differently. If a team was deadset on Casas, it's a tough call. But I would include Dalbec to offset Price in the right deal...

[jacksonianmarch]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. And for those of you out there who think this is just Yankee fan hate, you have to remember that Betts might be in LA starting in 2020. But small guys who rely on speed and quick twitch power don’t last in baseball. The grind wears them down. If I were Bloom, I would NOT sign him to that huge contract. I’d let someone else pay for a broken down Mookie. His first few years of the new contract would still coincide with up years for NY and TB and his best productivity for the contract could be wasted

[mvp 78]

I don't think that is the given many think it is. Certainly it becomes less likely, but the Sox are clearly not out of it. They are willing to spend and, if they reset, they won't have to worry about the subsequent penalties which may or may not change depending on the next CBA. And a lot of the other big spenders will have already spent a big chunk of their allowance.

 

It just reminds me of the Lester situation, that's all.

[mvp 78]

And we have Sale and Price on monster deals for the next 3/4 years. Evaoldi and JD on big contracts the next 3 years. So we already have our Pujol's and more. Unless we're buying Mookie now for four years time when he starts the decline. That would be awesome.

 

LAA's payroll is $50M less than BOS. There's wiggle room to squeeze one pitcher and eat half of the other pitcher's salary.

[mvp 78]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. And for those of you out there who think this is just Yankee fan hate, you have to remember that Betts might be in LA starting in 2020. But small guys who rely on speed and quick twitch power don’t last in baseball. The grind wears them down. If I were Bloom, I would NOT sign him to that huge contract. I’d let someone else pay for a broken down Mookie. His first few years of the new contract would still coincide with up years for NY and TB and his best productivity for the contract could be wasted

 

For reference, this is probably the first time Jacko and Slasher have agreed.

[notin]

Maybe the bigger issue is Pujols' contract and not Trout? Maybe having one big monster deal is easy enough to work around, but having 2 is another matter?

 

Well, Pujols is obviously a bigger problem. At elast Trout is playing flat out great baseball commensurate with his salary.

 

But like with the Angels and Pujols, the Sox already have that one monster deal on the books. Actually more than one in Price, Sale, and Eovaldi, as Hitch pointed out.

 

This is exactly why I hated the Price and Eovaldi deals at the time and was very vocal about this. (I only liked the opt out in the Price deal, but he did not exercise it.)

 

So say the Sox add another monster deal in Betts, there will be ramifications. What happens when Devers is ready for free agency? The Sox have already committed $47.5 million to 2 players in Sale and Bogaerts for that season. Add in another, say, $35mill for Betts and you have roughly $82.5mill, or about one third of today's budget on 3 players with 23 roster spots to go. What if Devers also wants Betts' money? What about other free agents between now and 2023? Can the Sox be competitive with Bogaerts, 33yo Sale, Betts and Devers making, say $110-115mill combined? Can they afford any pitching or will they get anyone good from the farm? They still have 22 roster spots to fill.

[notin]

It just reminds me of the Lester situation, that's all.

 

The big difference being Lester was willing to sign an extension. The Sox just never offered even a reasonable one...

[mvp 78]

Well, Pujols is obviously a bigger problem. At elast Trout is playing flat out great baseball commensurate with his salary.

 

But like with the Angels and Pujols, the Sox already have that one monster deal on the books. Actually more than one in Price, Sale, and Eovaldi, as Hitch pointed out.

 

This is exactly why I hated the Price and Eovaldi deals at the time and was very vocal about this. (I only liked the opt out in the Price deal, but he did not exercise it.)

 

So say the Sox add another monster deal in Betts, there will be ramifications. What happens when Devers is ready for free agency? The Sox have already committed $47.5 million to 2 players in Sale and Bogaerts for that season. Add in another, say, $35mill for Betts and you have roughly $82.5mill, or about one third of today's budget on 3 players with 23 roster spots to go. What if Devers also wants Betts' money? What about other free agents between now and 2023? Can the Sox be competitive with Bogaerts, 33yo Sale, Betts and Devers making, say $110-115mill combined? Can they afford any pitching or will they get anyone good from the farm? They still have 22 roster spots to fill.

 

I'm not going to worry about re-signing Devers in 2024. So much can happen between now and then.

[Bellhorn04]

For reference, this is probably the first time Jacko and Slasher have agreed.

 

But Slasher also said the Sox should hand Mookie a blank contract and let him fill it in.

[mvp 78]

The big difference being Lester was willing to sign an extension. The Sox just never offered even a reasonable one...

 

Mookie was willing to sign one too.

[mvp 78]

But Slasher also said the Sox should hand Mookie a blank contract and let him fill it in.

 

That was just the gas fumes in NJ talking.

[notin]

Mookie was willing to sign one too.

 

Well, yes if it set all kinds of records. I don't know what Lester's demands were, but I think they fell short of what everyone expected him to get once he hit free agency. They did clearly exceedthe offer the Sox made, which was something in the neighborhood of 5 years $55mill. I got the impression of the Sox went 9 figures over 5 years, Lester would be returning. But I don't know how true that really is. The man did have an agent...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Maybe the issue isn't really whether Boston can afford Betts and quality teammates -- for the duration of a longterm contract -- but that the rich businessmen who bought the Sox just can't stomach losing money on the MLB's tax penalties. Just because billionaires can take the hit doesn't mean it still doesn't rankle their very nature.

 

As for the Angels, I understand discussing parallels with the Trout extension, but maybe his club isn't under quite the constant pressure and scrutiny as the baseball fanbase in New England. Don't Angels fans leave no-hitters in progress to beat the traffic? Is it possible that the Angels even have 20 or so fans rabid enough to type about their team on forums all winter... or are there only a couple devotees so lonely they have to go start trouble on Dodger forums? How many here think Trout will finish his entire contract in Anaheim?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. And for those of you out there who think this is just Yankee fan hate, you have to remember that Betts might be in LA starting in 2020. But small guys who rely on speed and quick twitch power don’t last in baseball. The grind wears them down.

 

I'll say this again (per baseball-ref):

 

Mays 170 pounds. Clemente 175 pounds. Aaron 180 pounds... Mookie Betts 180 pounds.

[mvp 78]

Maybe the issue isn't really whether Boston can afford Betts and quality teammates -- for the duration of a longterm contract -- but that the rich businessmen who bought the Sox just can't stomach losing money on the MLB's tax penalties. Just because billionaires can take the hit doesn't mean it still doesn't rankle their very nature.

 

The owners agreed to this system. Henry can blame himself.

[Slasher9]

For reference, this is probably the first time Jacko and Slasher have agreed.

 

hahaha. sort of. it is not going out on a limb to say that mookie will decline in performance the later portion of his contract. Jacksonianmarch and i agree that Mookie should be traded now. where we do not agree is where we want mookie to play next year (and the 9-11 years that follow).

[Slasher9]

But Slasher also said the Sox should hand Mookie a blank contract and let him fill it in.

 

yup. i think i starting saying it during his mvp season and also last year. we would have actually gotten a better deal if we did that. that chance has unfortunately passed so now we get to throw numbers at each other.

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder if Mookie would accept some deferred money like Sale did.

[Slasher9]

I'll say this again (per baseball-ref):

 

Mays 170 pounds. Clemente 175 pounds. Aaron 180 pounds... Mookie Betts 180 pounds.

 

mays would be a good comp. if mookie is mays a 10 year contract will be zero issues.

[Bellhorn04]

mays would be a good comp. if mookie is mays a 10 year contract will be zero issues.

 

Willie Mays made 1.825 million dollars in his career.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Willie Mays made 1.825 million dollars in his career.

 

But... nobody is worth that much to play baseball!

[Station 13]

Extend Devers, let Mookie go for $420 M elsewhere

[Station 13]

I wonder if Mookie would accept some deferred money like Sale did.

 

Mookie wants a down payment and deposit, 1st and last upfront.

[Slasher9]

Willie Mays made 1.825 million dollars in his career.

 

i was just referring to player stats as they age. Mays played exceptional baseball into his late 30's. if Mookie was able to mirror that productivity his 10 year contract will be "worth" it. at least from strictly a player production vs salary aspect.