Pay Mookie!

[Kimmi]

Blame Jenny Dell! Kimmi don't know behind every man's success (or failure) is a woman.

 

Oh, I do know that behind every good man is a good woman. Without a doubt.

[Kimmi]

I've been saying this all winter: as an employee at the top of his industry, Mookie Betts deserves a top of the market salary. The problem is that the actual numbers are too impossible for many, many fans to ever relate to...

 

It is ironic that people seldom -- if ever -- complain about stars of other entertainments, like movies or music. When did you ever hear (or say), "He's making too much to just be an actor" or "No singer ever deserves that much money"? Has anyone ever been so turned off by salaries of movie stars or musicians that they debated not watching a movie or listening to a tune?

 

Another tangent regarding Betts that I think the Red Sox have surprisingly underrated is the value of Mookie as the face of the franchise -- the best player to watch and root for, and best role model to emulate (feeding the homeless undercover, always smiling, ever-working hard to improve and sustain production), and the guy with the best name-recognition for kids and future fans to grow old with...

 

FTR, I think actors and musicians are paid way too much also. I have never not watched a movie or a baseball game because the stars or players make too much. But I'm not going to advocate for any player to get a $420 million contract.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I’m one that couldn’t wrap my mind around these contracts but I’ve come around and even I think it’s timw to lock him in while we can for the remainder of his career ...400 will be light in about 7 years for a top 3 player .

[moonslav59]

I’m one that couldn’t wrap my mind around these contracts but I’ve come around and even I think it’s timw to lock him in while we can for the remainder of his career ...400 will be light in about 7 years for a top 3 player .

 

He most likely will not even be a top 30 player in 7 years, but one never knows.

 

I'm all for paying Betts what it takes without getting absurd.

 

I'd go for 12-13 years to bring down the AVV, and front end load it to make it easier to trade him, if he declines too steeply.

 

Something like....

 

$42M x 5 years, then $35M x 2 years, $30M x 2 years and $20M x 4 years. That's $420M/13.

[mvp 78]

Owners make too much.....waaaaaaaahhhhhh

 

 

Exactly, make them pay the players!!!

[notin]

It still makes sense that Mookie's camp would open negotiations asking for Trout money; his stats and accomplishments, while not as all-time lofty, are at least comparable in the realm of runner-up. And if Betts has another great year, and salaries continue to trend up, then market values will get closer when he finally does sign.

 

This is why it seems inevitable Boston is going to trade Mookie -- if they're not going to meet his price now, why would anyone think they're going to pay him more in a year?

 

Because paying him, say $40 million this year means paying $78 mill counting luxury tax (assuming $20 mill overage). If the Sox reset, paying him $40 mill next year means paying $47mill (assuming same overage).

[Kman]

Hi Kimmi it's been awhile.

 

Middlebrooks I will never understand what happened to him that was just beyond odd and what ever he lost he never got it back.

[moonslav59]

Hi Kimmi it's been awhile.

 

Middlebrooks I will never understand what happened to him that was just beyond odd and what ever he lost he never got it back.

 

Maybe he never really "had it," and it was just a fluke that opposing teams took so long to figure out how to get him out.

[notin]

Maybe he never really "had it," and it was just a fluke that opposing teams took so long to figure out how to get him out.

 

How long does it take to decide “slider, low and away”?

[moonslav59]

How long does it take to decide “slider, low and away”?

 

I know. What took 'em so long?

[Elktonnick]

How long does it take to decide “slider, low and away”?

 

Do think that's how Jenny Dell hooked him? With a slider low and away or was it once he married her baseball just wasn't that important!

[Kman]

Maybe he never really "had it," and it was just a fluke that opposing teams took so long to figure out how to get him out.

 

Maybe your right but I remember the ball really jumped off his bat and usually if someone can't hit the slider they don't make it to the big leagues. Chavis had the same kind of start but the ball didn't jump off of his bat like Middlebrooks. Maybe Elk was right and it was all Jenny Dell's fault she made me twitterpatted.

[mvp 78]

Also, please don’t blame Jenny for WMB not being able to hit. He was like that before her too.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Because paying him, say $40 million this year means paying $78 mill counting luxury tax (assuming $20 mill overage). If the Sox reset, paying him $40 mill next year means paying $47mill (assuming same overage).

 

A secret pact? Employee: "I love that dirty water..."

 

Employer: "Ok, here's the deal -- we can pay you 27 mil to stay here this season, but after that we can't pay you any more... OR... we'd like to transfer you somewhere warm and sunny for 2020, where you'll still get your 27 mil, and then after that if you come back we'll give you 40 mil per for another decade."

 

Markus: "Boston, you're my home!"

[moonslav59]

A secret pact? Employee: "I love that dirty water..."

 

Employer: "Ok, here's the deal -- we can pay you 27 mil to stay here this season, but after that we can't pay you any more... OR... we'd like to transfer you somewhere warm and sunny for 2020, where you'll still get your 27 mil, and then after that if you come back we'll give you 40 mil per for another decade."

 

Markus: "Boston, you're my home!"

 

Lol

[Swiharts Ghost]

Manny Margot to the rays .

[Kingface]

Kimmi and Moon are still around???? I may have to join this party again.........

[Kingface]

Manny Margot to the rays .

 

Moon used to be enamored with Manny!!!!! Granted at the time he was actually a good prospect. To me though....he was was behind the peeps at the time so was expendable....... Speaking of which, remember when we had a closer? That was cool......

[moonslav59]

Moon used to be enamored with Manny!!!!! Granted at the time he was actually a good prospect. To me though....he was was behind the peeps at the time so was expendable....... Speaking of which, remember when we had a closer? That was cool......

 

He's a good defender and may end up hitting better than JBJ.

 

There are plenty of Margots in MLB.

[Kimmi]

He most likely will not even be a top 30 player in 7 years, but one never knows.

 

I'm all for paying Betts what it takes without getting absurd.

 

I'd go for 12-13 years to bring down the AVV, and front end load it to make it easier to trade him, if he declines too steeply.

 

Something like....

 

$42M x 5 years, then $35M x 2 years, $30M x 2 years and $20M x 4 years. That's $420M/13.

 

Without getting absurd? You are already well past absurdity.

[Kimmi]

Hi Kimmi it's been awhile.

 

Middlebrooks I will never understand what happened to him that was just beyond odd and what ever he lost he never got it back.

 

Good to see you Kman.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi and Moon are still around???? I may have to join this party again.........

 

Another face that we haven't seen in a while. Good to see you.

[moonslav59]

Without getting absurd? You are already well past absurdity.

 

$420/10 is too much for me, but $420/13 is close to being acceptable, since the AVV is much lower. If it is front-loaded, he could maybe be traded, if he declines, too much.

 

Betts is worth far more than $42M per year at this age. He brings in way more than that to his team.

[Slasher9]

Kimmi and Moon are still around???? I may have to join this party again.........

 

KingFace! what up homie! you brought us all here so....you should join the party again.

[oldtimer]

Without getting absurd? You are already well past absurdity.

 

I'd be unwilling to give any player a 13 year contract or even a 12 year one. The Sox offered $30 mil for 10 years. i would have gone a little higher for 8 years but still really dislike what that does to payroll flexability. Betts is gone and we are unlikely to get him back. Be interesting to see how many of these very large extended contracts work out for the teams that offer them.

[moonslav59]

I'd be unwilling to give any player a 13 year contract or even a 12 year one. The Sox offered $30 mil for 10 years. i would have gone a little higher for 8 years but still really dislike what that does to payroll flexability. Betts is gone and we are unlikely to get him back. Be interesting to see how many of these very large extended contracts work out for the teams that offer them.

 

I'd rather pay Betts $420/13 than $380/10. The AVV is much lower, and if we front end load it, we could possibly trade him after 8-11 years.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Of all the non-Trout big name free agents who have signed (or will ink) megadeals in the past decade, I think Mookie is the surest bet to actually earn most of his next contract.

 

He's a better player than Harper, a better character than Machado, and provides more ways to win than Stanton, Pujols, Cabrera, or any pitcher (and won't be tainted like ARod).

 

I feel Mookie's career and contract will be defined by his performance over the next half decade, during which time I fully expect him to produce another 30 WAR and lead his new club to at least 450 wins. If he helps win another World Series, it will be worth it to that franchise and its fan base.

 

Boston losing Betts can't be as bad as losing Babe Ruth, but I fear it will be the biggest Red Sox mistake since -- one that media and rival fans will haunt our sons with for a long time... especially, if the Bosox blow much of their savings on free agent busts filling unavoidable voids, trying to win back fans.

 

Giving away Bagwell while a prospect was bad enough, but the Red Sox had a HOFer about to enter his prime... and couldn't keep him.

Edited February 10, 2020 by 5GoldGloves:OF,75

[mvp 78]

Of all the non-Trout big name free agents who have signed (or will ink) megadeals in the past decade, I think Mookie is the surest bet to actually earn most of his next contract.

 

He's a better player than Harper, a better character than Machado, and provides more ways to win than Stanton, Pujols, Cabrera, or any pitcher (and won't be tainted like ARod).

 

I feel Mookie's career and contract will be defined by his performance over the next half decade, during which time I fully expect him to produce another 30 WAR and lead his new club to at least 450 wins. If he helps win another World Series, it will be worth it to that franchise and its fan base.

 

Boston losing Betts can't be as bad as losing Babe Ruth, but I fear it will be the biggest Red Sox mistake since -- one that media and rival fans will haunt our sons with for a long time... especially, if the Bosox blow much of their savings on free agent busts filling unavoidable voids, trying to win back fans.

 

Losing Clemens was a pretty bad mistake too. A Pedro/Clemens rotation would've been pretty strong.

[Bellhorn04]

Losing Clemens was a pretty bad mistake too. A Pedro/Clemens rotation would've been pretty strong.

 

We didn't really know how much Clemens was going to benefit from the juice, though.

[moonslav59]

Losing Clemens was a pretty bad mistake too. A Pedro/Clemens rotation would've been pretty strong.

 

The guy was a cheating, scumbag child molester.