Price is the Huckleberry bank on it .

[jacksonianmarch]

Most teams do not want to be the third time repeat offender. That 50% overage plus the other costs is a pretty big deterrent. I don't think any team has put themselves above the cap and stayed there for 3 straight seasons under the current CBA. The Yanks were grandfathered into the 3rd time offender and couldn't get out of it until 2017. The Dodgers took a bath on a Matt Kemp deal just to get out from under the 3rd time offender category. The Yanks got under with a youth movement. This is why I am pessimistic about my team jumping over the line for the third straight season in 2020. Nobody has done it a third time yet and if that is the deterrent, then my team is gonna have the same deficits

[kenmeister]

They added 4 rule 5 guys to the roster: Dalbec, Chatham, Wilson and Aybar.

 

But these are guys that were already in the system, right? They just moved them onto the 40 man roster. No one was actually acquired. Ok, I guess I didn't miss anything.

[notin]

Absolutely, this move does everything. Might be able to grab some decent Prospects too.

 

No. “Deal breaker” as in no way would I take the contracts of both Price and Betts, let alone give up anything of value as well.

 

Deal Betts separate from Price, if you have to move both...

[moonslav59]

But these are guys that were already in the system, right? They just moved them onto the 40 man roster. No one was actually acquired. Ok, I guess I didn't miss anything.

 

Osich

[jacksonianmarch]

Osich

 

The missing link! Duck boats!

[moonslav59]

The missing link! Duck boats!

 

Good role player and most teams have done less, so far.

[jacksonianmarch]

Good role player and most teams have done less, so far.

 

I'm just messing with you man

[notin]

I'm just messing with you man

 

I was going to say, it’s been what over 10 years since the Yankees last one. Did you realize the Red Sox only have one title drought 10 years or longer in team history?

 

Granted, it’s quite a bit longer...

[cp176]

In retrospect, I'm not sure what the Red Sox were thinking when they made the big statement about trying to get under the $208 million mark.

 

Hopefully they're freaking out a little about ticket sales and realize they're going to take a bath if they stick to that plan.

 

All of the arguments that I have read here for the Red Sox need to get under the luxury tax limit really fall on my deaf ears. The suggestion that we need to save that money and that it will possibly allow us to build up our farm so that we will be highly competitive soon possibly what in 3,4, or 5 years maybe, just doesn't work once again for me. I truly believe that any suggestion that it is necessary for John Henry to stay below that limit for whatever reason really is just a little hollow. I'll predict that if any moves are made that are seen as hurting this team's chances this coming year of competing at a high level, the cost will hurt with respect to ticket sales. Major league attendance is down and downsizing one of the most successful franchises in the history of the game isn't going to help. Spin the spin any way you want but there still are people out there who won't go to Fenway just for the opportunity to sit in one of those crappy little seats if the team isn't winning.

[notin]

All of the arguments that I have read here for the Red Sox need to get under the luxury tax limit really fall on my deaf ears. The suggestion that we need to save that money and that it will possibly allow us to build up our farm so that we will be highly competitive soon possibly what in 3,4, or 5 years maybe, just doesn't work once again for me. I truly believe that any suggestion that it is necessary for John Henry to stay below that limit for whatever reason really is just a little hollow. I'll predict that if any moves are made that are seen as hurting this team's chances this coming year of competing at a high level, the cost will hurt with respect to ticket sales. Major league attendance is down and downsizing one of the most successful franchises in the history of the game isn't going to help. Spin the spin any way you want but there still are people out there who won't go to Fenway just for the opportunity to sit in one of those crappy little seats if the team isn't winning.

 

Actually no one is saying they need to save money. No one (except the resident Yankee troll) is saying they won’t be competitive for 3-5 years. And no one is saying to lose on MLB in order to build the farm.

 

But when it comes to reducing payroll and getting under the luxury tax limits, deaf ears or not, that is real. Boston Red Sox President Sam Kennedy acknowledged it himself, saying it was “a goal but not a mandate.” To me, this means they will go over in certain cases, but they’re going to try like hell to get under. You can interpret it any other way you want.

 

But to pretend it isn’t real or is just some annoying talk out here is just burying your head in the sand...

[moonslav59]

No, we don't "need to reset," but it makes sense to not go over 3 years in a row.

 

Going over by a little bit and paying 50% on the little we go over by is not going to matter much, but if we choose to want to go significantly over for 2021, then resetting the tax, now, is reasonable.

 

I'm thinking we try to stay under for 2020, but if we look like we have a chance to win in July, we may decide to spend and go for it. If we look flat, we will likely decide to stay under and maybe have a mild sell-off.

[cp176]

Actually no one is saying they need to save money. No one (except the resident Yankee troll) is saying they won’t be competitive for 3-5 years. And no one is saying to lose on MLB in order to build the farm.

 

But when it comes to reducing payroll and getting under the luxury tax limits, deaf ears or not, that is real. Boston Red Sox President Sam Kennedy acknowledged it himself, saying it was “a goal but not a mandate.” To me, this means they will go over in certain cases, but they’re going to try like hell to get under. You can interpret it any other way you want.

 

But to pretend it isn’t real or is just some annoying talk out here is just burying your head in the sand...

 

So this is for you notin since this is what you tend to do. You obviously are saying that we will be highly competitive this coming year and for the foreseeable future. I like that . Good one. It is annoying and my head is totally above ground.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

All of the arguments that I have read here for the Red Sox need to get under the luxury tax limit really fall on my deaf ears. The suggestion that we need to save that money and that it will possibly allow us to build up our farm so that we will be highly competitive soon possibly what in 3,4, or 5 years maybe, just doesn't work once again for me. I truly believe that any suggestion that it is necessary for John Henry to stay below that limit for whatever reason really is just a little hollow. I'll predict that if any moves are made that are seen as hurting this team's chances this coming year of competing at a high level, the cost will hurt with respect to ticket sales. Major league attendance is down and downsizing one of the most successful franchises in the history of the game isn't going to help. Spin the spin any way you want but there still are people out there who won't go to Fenway just for the opportunity to sit in one of those crappy little seats if the team isn't winning.

 

I agree and have never expected the Sox to not go for it in 2020. That would be totally out of character for these owners -- and like I said, old guys don't suddenly change. I know with the way Boras and free agency drags now that offseasons are basically cold stove leagues, and so we blab out of boredom about tax penalties and resets and trading star players. Yes, the Sox brass has mentioned finances, but of course those could just be calculated comments in one phase or another of public negotiations or a way of tempering contract expectations... or someone just voicing impulsive exasperations about current market prices.

 

And like you say, even if the front office even wants to cut back, it cannot afford the hit with fandom. Changes will be made, because no change would be unacceptable, but the tanking that Yankee fans hope for will never happen in Boston under this or any ownership. Bloom's goal of building his "sustainable" competitive franchise will encompass not only stockpiling legitimate prospects, but also locking up established young stars with whom fans already identify. As a Red Sox fan, I expect that and demand that.

[notin]

So this is for you notin since this is what you tend to do. You obviously are saying that we will be highly competitive this coming year and for the foreseeable future. I like that . Good one. It is annoying and my head is totally above ground.

 

 

I’d say that’s the clear goal. But if it happens, it won’t be in the manner that Sox fans are used to...

[moonslav59]

I agree and have never expected the Sox to not go for it in 2020. That would be totally out of character for these owners -- and like I said, old guys don't suddenly change. I know with the way Boras and free agency drags now that offseasons are basically cold stove leagues, and so we blab out of boredom about tax penalties and resets and trading star players. Yes, the Sox brass has mentioned finances, but of course those could just be calculated comments in one phase or another of public negotiations or a way of tempering contract expectations... or someone just voicing impulsive exasperations about current market prices.

 

And like you say, even if the front office even wants to cut back, it cannot afford the hit with fandom. Changes will be made, because no change would be unacceptable, but the tanking that Yankee fans hope for will never happen in Boston under this or any ownership. Bloom's goal of building his "sustainable" competitive franchise will encompass not only stockpiling legitimate prospects, but also locking up established young stars with whom fans already identify. As a Red Sox fan, I expect that and demand that.

 

This front office has cut back before. Yes, they tried to stay competitive every year, but they clearly did not try to be HIGHLY competitive, every year.

 

We certainly could see 2020 being one of those years, but we have the ability to wait and see until July. That is the likely path.