Cora implicated in sign stealing

[notin]

86-89

 

Really?

 

Those three also started all of 59 games, where as one would expect fully the fully healthy trio to start 96 games. Think the Sox still would still win a minimum of 86 games knowing their best SPs would get replaced for 37 games by Hector Velasquez, Brian Johnson and Ryan Weber?

[mvp 78]

They def underperformed but the bottom of the roster was garbage.

[notin]

They def underperformed but the bottom of the roster was garbage.

 

Dombrowski did try to get a lot of bullpen depth, none of which really panned out. But at least he did not ignore the problem. However, he did nothing for the starter depth prior to acquiring Cashner...

[mvp 78]

Dombrowski did try to get a lot of bullpen depth, none of which really panned out. But at least he did not ignore the problem. However, he did nothing for the starter depth prior to acquiring Cashner...

 

The starting depth was laughable. Bullpen and offense were fine enough.

[notin]

The starting depth was laughable. Bullpen and offense were fine enough.

 

And that was exactly where all the injuries that derailed the season occurred...

[Kimmi]

I know. I just have the feeling this time is going to be different. This is a serious PR issue, with suggestions that it may have impacted who won the trophy in '17.

 

It sounds like the penalty is going to be fairly stiff for the Astros.

[Kimmi]

The Cora haters are nuts. I can see criticizing him for Restgate. But calling for him to be fired is absurd. Two seasons, one of which was fantastic.

 

Who do they want next - Showalter, Scioscia, some other fossil?

 

They don't know who they want. They just want someone else to s*** on.

 

Amen, Bell, amen.

[Kimmi]

Not to mention, it’s not like this team won 60 games last year. They won 84 games, which is a lot of wins for a team with one pitcher in the starting rotation...

 

Cora probably should have MOY.

[Elktonnick]

Cora probably should have MOY.

 

If Hinch is sanctioned, one would expect Cora to be as well. However, despite some of the more sensational reports in the media, I do not think the details are known. Until MLB and the Commissioner investigate and make a final determination, I think no one should rush to judgment.

[Tedballgame]

If Hinch is sanctioned, one would expect Cora to be as well. However, despite some of the more sensational reports in the media, I do not think the details are known. Until MLB and the Commissioner investigate and make a final determination, I think no one should rush to judgment.

If they are going to sanction a bench coach, why stop there. Why not all the coaches, the owners, GM, and the players. They were all part of it. Where does it stop? Fine the team, suspend the manager, take away some draft picks and ban them from signing international players for a year.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Only jackoff that should be suspended a year is the manager period .Rest players and coaches are riding in the bus this ass hat was driving .

[jacksonianmarch]

Yeah, but the coach and player who have been considered “integral” in the cheating process are managers also. I’ve read that bans are in the discussion. Not suspensions, but bans. I’ve also seen some video compilations where you can hear the bangs plain as day before a breaking ball. Really bad. Hinch should get banned. Cora and Beltran should lose a season if their role is true. If the Astros were 81-81 and missed the POs, then I don’t think this gets the pub it’s getting now. You’re talking about a team that cheated and knocked out the Yankees twice, the Red Sox once and the Dodgers once. Those are iconic teams with pretty big fanbases and they were eliminated in 2017 and for the yanks, 2019. It’s garbage. Listen, Sox fans, you guys could have had home field for the 2017 ALCS vs the Yanks. Kinda pissed we were robbed of that

[Elktonnick]

Only jackoff that should be suspended a year is the manager period .Rest players and coaches are riding in the bus this ass hat was driving .

 

Why don't you keep your powder dry until all the evidence is in. There is plenty time to go off on all the guilty parties once the commissioner has adjudicated the case.

[notin]

If they are going to sanction a bench coach, why stop there. Why not all the coaches, the owners, GM, and the players. They were all part of it. Where does it stop? Fine the team, suspend the manager, take away some draft picks and ban them from signing international players for a year.

 

Also, they should put sanctions on all the citizens living in the Houston greater metropolitan area.

 

Sorry, Moon, but rules are rules...

[Fan_since_Boggs]

This is fake news, Jackson's fantasy so that he can pretend the Yankees really did play in a World Series game this decade.

 

MLB will not punish the Red Sox and Mets for the actions of the Astros organization. If it realy happened, the Astros might be fined, perhaps penalized, and maybe Finch will get a small suspension, but MLB will not punish two teams that weren't involved.

 

In related news, why doesn't MLB take back the Yankees 2009 championship? We now know that A-Rod was sticking needles in his ass during that playoff run when he was putting up big numbers. I also seem to remember PED drug user Andy Pettitte pitching well in that postseason. What is worse, stealing a few signs or taking PEDs that artificially inflate numbers?

[jacksonianmarch]

This is fake news, Jackson's fantasy so that he can pretend the Yankees really did play in a World Series game this decade.

 

MLB will not punish the Red Sox and Mets for the actions of the Astros organization. If it realy happened, the Astros might be fined, perhaps penalized, and maybe Finch will get a small suspension, but MLB will not punish two teams that weren't involved.

 

In related news, why doesn't MLB take back the Yankees 2009 championship? We now know that A-Rod was sticking needles in his ass during that playoff run when he was putting up big numbers. I also seem to remember PED drug user Andy Pettitte pitching well in that postseason. What is worse, stealing a few signs or taking PEDs that artificially inflate numbers?

 

 

[mvp 78]

Yeah, but the coach and player who have been considered “integral” in the cheating process are managers also. I’ve read that bans are in the discussion. Not suspensions, but bans. I’ve also seen some video compilations where you can hear the bangs plain as day before a breaking ball. Really bad. Hinch should get banned. Cora and Beltran should lose a season if their role is true. If the Astros were 81-81 and missed the POs, then I don’t think this gets the pub it’s getting now. You’re talking about a team that cheated and knocked out the Yankees twice, the Red Sox once and the Dodgers once. Those are iconic teams with pretty big fanbases and they were eliminated in 2017 and for the yanks, 2019. It’s garbage. Listen, Sox fans, you guys could have had home field for the 2017 ALCS vs the Yanks. Kinda pissed we were robbed of that

 

Don’t care.

[jacksonianmarch]

So you don't care that you may have been robbed of a title in 2017?

 

Does it bother you that the sox went 1-1 in Fenway and outscored the Astros 14-8 in Fenway but got shitstomped in both games in Houston 16-4? What if the Astros were cheating in those games (they were) and had they not, maybe the outcome would have been different

Edited November 16, 2019 by jacksonianmarch

[moonslav59]

Also, they should put sanctions on all the citizens living in the Houston greater metropolitan area.

 

Sorry, Moon, but rules are rules...

 

I think the rule states only Houston proper- not the burbs.

[mvp 78]

So you don't care that you may have been robbed of a title in 2017?

 

Does it bother you that the sox went 1-1 in Fenway and outscored the Astros 14-8 in Fenway but got shitstomped in both games in Houston 16-4? What if the Astros were cheating in those games (they were) and had they not, maybe the outcome would have been different

Teams have been doing it forever (accusations about Jays pen, Pedroia smartwatch, etc.).

[Bellhorn04]

One problem with the sign stealing evidence: Houston's 2017 home/away splits.

 

Home .812 OPS 395 runs

Away .834 OPS 501 runs

 

2019 was a much different story.

[Kimmi]

If Hinch is sanctioned, one would expect Cora to be as well. However, despite some of the more sensational reports in the media, I do not think the details are known. Until MLB and the Commissioner investigate and make a final determination, I think no one should rush to judgment.

 

I may be wrong, but I'm not sure individual coaches/players will be sanctioned. I get the impression that it will be the franchise that is penalized.

 

That said, if individuals are sanctioned, I agree that Cora will be included. There is no way he didn't know what was going on.

[Kimmi]

This is fake news, Jackson's fantasy so that he can pretend the Yankees really did play in a World Series game this decade.

 

MLB will not punish the Red Sox and Mets for the actions of the Astros organization. If it realy happened, the Astros might be fined, perhaps penalized, and maybe Finch will get a small suspension, but MLB will not punish two teams that weren't involved.

 

In related news, why doesn't MLB take back the Yankees 2009 championship? We now know that A-Rod was sticking needles in his ass during that playoff run when he was putting up big numbers. I also seem to remember PED drug user Andy Pettitte pitching well in that postseason. What is worse, stealing a few signs or taking PEDs that artificially inflate numbers?

 

I do agree that Jacko is getting a little carried away.

[Bellhorn04]

I may be wrong, but I'm not sure individual coaches/players will be sanctioned. I get the impression that it will be the franchise that is penalized.

 

That said, if individuals are sanctioned, I agree that Cora will be included. There is no way he didn't know what was going on.

 

Pretty much everyone on the coaching staff and team had to know what was going on.

 

I guess what they'll really be looking at is who 'masterminded' it.

[Kimmi]

Pretty much everyone on the coaching staff and team had to know what was going on.

 

I guess what they'll really be looking at is who 'masterminded' it.

 

This is what leads me to believe that it will be an organizational penalty rather than sanctions against individuals.

 

I do think the penalties will be rather stiff.

[Elktonnick]

This is what leads me to believe that it will be an organizational penalty rather than sanctions against individuals.

 

I do think the penalties will be rather stiff.

 

Steve Buckley's take:https://theathletic.com/1380089/2019/11/14/buckley-this-electronic-sign-stealing-foolishness-is-a-headache-the-baseball-world-doesnt-need/

His last line says it all "If MLB’s investigation backs this up, then those who are guilty — Hinch? Cora? Beltran? — need to be fined, possibly suspended.

Not so much for the infraction but for the stupidity."

[Kimmi]

Steve Buckley's take:https://theathletic.com/1380089/2019/11/14/buckley-this-electronic-sign-stealing-foolishness-is-a-headache-the-baseball-world-doesnt-need/

His last line says it all "If MLB’s investigation backs this up, then those who are guilty — Hinch? Cora? Beltran? — need to be fined, possibly suspended.

Not so much for the infraction but for the stupidity."

 

It's quite possible that those guys will be fined, but the conspiracy runs much deeper than that. It appears that the FO may be the masterminds behind the plot.

 

Kevin Goldstein, a high-ranking FO executive, reportedly sent out an email asking scouts to spy on the opposing teams' dugouts.

 

"One thing in specific we are looking for is picking up signs coming out of the dugout,” the email, disclosed to The Athletic, read. “What we are looking for is how much we can see, how we would log things, if we need cameras/binoculars, etc. So go to game, see what you can (or can’t) do and report back your findings."

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/11/17/astros-executive-email-cameras-steal-signs

[notin]

This is fake news, Jackson's fantasy so that he can pretend the Yankees really did play in a World Series game this decade.

 

MLB will not punish the Red Sox and Mets for the actions of the Astros organization. If it realy happened, the Astros might be fined, perhaps penalized, and maybe Finch will get a small suspension, but MLB will not punish two teams that weren't involved.

 

In related news, why doesn't MLB take back the Yankees 2009 championship? We now know that A-Rod was sticking needles in his ass during that playoff run when he was putting up big numbers. I also seem to remember PED drug user Andy Pettitte pitching well in that postseason. What is worse, stealing a few signs or taking PEDs that artificially inflate numbers?

 

It is comical the penalties Yankee fans feel other teams should be subjected to, especially if the crime is beating the Yankees.

 

Like when Sterling suggested on the radio that all the Red Sox victories over the Yankees should be forfeited and credited to the Yankees. Is he that unaware of MLB history with this kind of thing?

[jacksonianmarch]

Sterling is a twit

[notin]

Sterling is a twit

 

He got promoted?