No draft pick Comp if Mookie is dealt at mid way deadline .Hes gone folks

[Swiharts Ghost]

I just don’t see Mookie in a Redsox uniform for 2020 .Bloom has to cash in and then some he can’t be left holding the bag on this ....it will haunt his tenure in Boston .Folks let’s talk Packies on this Now .I want them to be realistic but don’t undersell the kid .Rumors of Texas and LA already started ...let’s think about some other teams also Pads come to mind and Dodgers Systems .There are no 1 for 1 on this unless he plays for the Brewers and Angels . Edited November 7, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

I just don’t see Mookie in a Redsox uniform for 2020 .Bloom has to cash in and then some he can’t be left holding the bag on this ....it will haunt his tenure in Boston .Folks let’s talk Packies on this Now .I want them to be realistic but don’t undersell the kid .Rumors of Texas and LA already started ...let’s think about some other teams also Pads come to mind and Dodgers Systems .There are no 1 for 1 on this unless he plays for the Brewers and Angels .

 

Trading him before the start of the year gets us a draft pick after the 4th round. Let's not pretend that's the straw that breaks the donkey's back.

 

We may want to see if we can win in 2020, and deal him to some desperate team in July. Keeping him does have value... probably more than a 4th round pick.

 

If trading him this winter instead of July brings us more back, that should be the choice. If we like an offer- take it. If we don't- wait.

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

Trading him before the start of the year gets us a draft pick after the 4th round. Let's not pretend that's the straw that breaks the donkey's back.

 

We may want to see if we can win in 2020, and deal him to some desperate team in July. Keeping him does have value... probably more than a 4th round pick.

 

If trading him this winter instead of July brings us more back, that should be the choice. If we like an offer- take it. If we don't- wait.

 

 

Moon come on that’s your heart talking buddy.I get it I want the guy in Boston as much as the rest I’m just thinking 300 million is a ship too far .Time is now if we want a layered I get this isn’t a popular view .Whitesox are one desperate team Moon don’t you think ? Pads also .

Edited November 7, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

Moon come on that’s your heart talking buddy.I get it I want the guy in Boston as much as the rest I’m just thinking 300 million is a ship too far .Time is now if we want a layered I get this isn’t a popular view .Whitesox are one desperate team Moon don’t you think ? Pads also .

 

I'm not against trading him. I'm also not sure we won't get him back after a trade.

 

I'm 50-50, right now, and that's without knowing what any offers are or might be.

 

My point was, the choice will not be made over a late 4th round comp pick.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"No baseball player is worth X amount of dollars" (fill in the blank)

 

Baseball fans have been using that phrase forever, but have been hearing it and reading it more and more since free agency. No ballplayer was worth $100 grand, then no player was worth $1 million, then $100 million?... and now, half a freakin billion? Dollars?

 

Numbers don't really matter when they're all relative to the current market. So... try to forget the numbers and just ask and answer yourself: is Mookie Betts worth a salary at the top of his market?

 

If your answer is yes -- and many fans, media and probably front offices agree -- then ante up, because no taxes saved or draft picks gained in this pseudo-salary cap that the union stupidly agreed to will ever land you another Mookie.

 

If your answer is no -- and there are plenty of folks of this opinion -- then take what you can get, knowing that it will never be anything close to the value of the best all-around Red Sox player since Yaz.

 

If Mookie is gone before 2020, I'm glad to have watched him spark the Sox into contention the past six years. But I'd much rather enjoy watching a batting champ/Gold Glove/MVP for one more season of possible glory... instead of replacement prospects.

[Swiharts Ghost]

"No baseball player is worth X amount of dollars" (fill in the blank)

 

Baseball fans have been using that phrase forever, but have been hearing it and reading it more and more since free agency. No ballplayer was worth $100 grand, then no player was worth $1 million, then $100 million?... and now, half a freakin billion? Dollars?

 

Numbers don't really matter when they're all relative to the current market. So... try to forget the numbers and just ask and answer yourself: is Mookie Betts worth a salary at the top of his market?

 

If your answer is yes -- and many fans, media and probably front offices agree -- then ante up, because no taxes saved or draft picks gained in this pseudo-salary cap that the union stupidly agreed to will ever land you another Mookie.

 

If your answer is no -- and there are plenty of folks of this opinion -- then take what you can get, knowing that it will never be anything close to the value of the best all-around Red Sox player since Yaz.

 

If Mookie is gone before 2020, I'm glad to have watched him spark the Sox into contention the past six years. But I'd much rather enjoy watching a batting champ/Gold Glove/MVP for one more season of possible glory... instead of replacement prospects.

 

It’s Cliche for sure .I just happen to think in this specific case our Team won’t extend any player 10 plus years at 300 plus.I very well could be wrong and I humbly hope this is the case .

Edited November 7, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It’s Cliche for sure .I just happen to think in this specific case our Team won’t extend any player 10 plus years at 300 plus

 

I know, a lot of fans and clubs don't want to be stuck with the years -- especially since at least the last 40% of most contracts are dead weight.

 

One recent trend seems to be offering a higher AAV at less years -- that's why I suggested 6 at 260; Mookie would be the highest paid player in history at $43.33 mil per, and then be a free agent again at 33...

 

Then if he's still producing -- and betting on himself like he always has -- he should have no problem getting another contract from someone else at, say, 4 for 140 -- which is another $35 mil per (which may be normal pay for a good player by 2027). When you add up both contracts, that's a cool 10 for 400...

[moonslav59]

"No baseball player is worth X amount of dollars" (fill in the blank)

 

Baseball fans have been using that phrase forever, but have been hearing it and reading it more and more since free agency. No ballplayer was worth $100 grand, then no player was worth $1 million, then $100 million?... and now, half a freakin billion? Dollars?

 

Numbers don't really matter when they're all relative to the current market. So... try to forget the numbers and just ask and answer yourself: is Mookie Betts worth a salary at the top of his market?

 

If your answer is yes -- and many fans, media and probably front offices agree -- then ante up, because no taxes saved or draft picks gained in this pseudo-salary cap that the union stupidly agreed to will ever land you another Mookie.

 

If your answer is no -- and there are plenty of folks of this opinion -- then take what you can get, knowing that it will never be anything close to the value of the best all-around Red Sox player since Yaz.

 

If Mookie is gone before 2020, I'm glad to have watched him spark the Sox into contention the past six years. But I'd much rather enjoy watching a batting champ/Gold Glove/MVP for one more season of possible glory... instead of replacement prospects.

 

Well said.

 

I get your point, but to me, getting nothing for Betts would really hamper our rebuild. That probably outweighs seeing him for one last year.

[mvp 78]

Trade JD and Price. Keep Mookie at $30M.

[jacksonianmarch]

Trading him before the start of the year gets us a draft pick after the 4th round. Let's not pretend that's the straw that breaks the donkey's back.

 

We may want to see if we can win in 2020, and deal him to some desperate team in July. Keeping him does have value... probably more than a 4th round pick.

 

If trading him this winter instead of July brings us more back, that should be the choice. If we like an offer- take it. If we don't- wait.

 

 

Moon, if the sox get below the LT, then Betts' comp pick would be after the first round

[jacksonianmarch]

Well said.

 

I get your point, but to me, getting nothing for Betts would really hamper our rebuild. That probably outweighs seeing him for one last year.

 

If Henry really gives the reigns to Bloom, I would assume he is going to try and maximize return for expensive or short term assets. JD and Mookie would be high on that list. JD will be more complicated as he's getting potentially above-market value and he can shift his NTC to the 3 most likely teams to deal for him. Mookie is the guy who would return the most provided the team acquiring him is fine with giving away talent and paying $30 mil for a one year rental. Mookie might be the kind of asset Bloom is willing to ship cash with the absolutely maximize his return. Heck, could you imagine the return if he dealt with TB and offered to eat half the contract?

[kenmeister]

Trade JD and Price. Keep Mookie at $30M.

 

I suspect Price is untradeable. JD, maybe? I know the White Sox want him.

[Red Foreman]

"No baseball player is worth X amount of dollars" (fill in the blank)

 

Baseball fans have been using that phrase forever, but have been hearing it and reading it more and more since free agency. No ballplayer was worth $100 grand, then no player was worth $1 million, then $100 million?... and now, half a freakin billion? Dollars?

 

Numbers don't really matter when they're all relative to the current market. So... try to forget the numbers and just ask and answer yourself: is Mookie Betts worth a salary at the top of his market?

 

If your answer is yes -- and many fans, media and probably front offices agree -- then ante up, because no taxes saved or draft picks gained in this pseudo-salary cap that the union stupidly agreed to will ever land you another Mookie.

 

If your answer is no -- and there are plenty of folks of this opinion -- then take what you can get, knowing that it will never be anything close to the value of the best all-around Red Sox player since Yaz.

 

If Mookie is gone before 2020, I'm glad to have watched him spark the Sox into contention the past six years. But I'd much rather enjoy watching a batting champ/Gold Glove/MVP for one more season of possible glory... instead of replacement prospects.

 

I agree with the last line. I would much rather see Mookie in a Sox unit one last year than see him traded for minor league filler.

[Red Foreman]

Are you talking ML ready prospects? Otherwise I don’t think it outweighs another year of Mookie.

[jacksonianmarch]

Are you talking ML ready prospects? Otherwise I don’t think it outweighs another year of Mookie.

 

Depends on what the team looks like. Would you be willing to have a goodbye tour for Mookie in a sox uni then lose him for a comp pick or would you rather deal him for some top prospects and get something more substantial? If the sox look good on paper going into 2020 then you ride with him, but they really don't right now. Lots would need to change for that to be the case

[notin]

Trade JD and Price. Keep Mookie at $30M.

 

No problem.

 

All the Sox need is to find teams looking to spend $60mill on a DH and $96mill on a SP with questionable health issues.

 

Maybe a couple Google searches...

[notin]

Are you talking ML ready prospects? Otherwise I don’t think it outweighs another year of Mookie.

 

Bear in m,ind if the Sox trade Mookie for prospects, it doesn't mean they have to keep those prospects. But Mookie's market will be limited to a few teams, ones that think they are just that one player away from wiunning it all. If the sox get good prosects for him - MLB-ready or not- those prospects can be marketable to any team to get potentially multiple MLB players.

 

Like when the Sox dealt Edgar Renteria for the late Andy Marte, and then flipped Marte for Coco Crisp...

[Bellhorn04]

No problem.

 

All the Sox need is to find teams looking to spend $60mill on a DH and $96mill on a SP with questionable health issues.

 

Maybe a couple Google searches...

 

Realistic Expectations R Us

[notin]

Realistic Expectations R Us

 

Although if I could flip Price for Wil Myers, I make that move. Myers might be awful, but the $18mill savings in AAV makes it worthwhile by itself...

[OH FOY]

Easier to Trade arbitration, then contracts. Especially when the Player is a Talent. Next year Price will be a 5-10 guy, then really hard to move him.

[OH FOY]

I understand that with the Opt in of JD, the Sox have Approx. 133 million in 7 players. Correct?

[fxkatt]

It seems best to either extend or trade Mookie this off-season to a team like LA, Texas, Atlanta who can hold on to him for 10 years as we wd if we extended him. A one year rental would not bring in the haul we need, so we need a big time partner and a block buster trade. (And a late 4th round pick can be added to the haul)

 

More importantly, I think we need some closure after last year's failed season. And a new start under Bloom. Which means assembling a team this winter rather than in July.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Depends on what the team looks like. Would you be willing to have a goodbye tour for Mookie in a sox uni then lose him for a comp pick or would you rather deal him for some top prospects and get something more substantial? If the sox look good on paper going into 2020 then you ride with him, but they really don't right now. Lots would need to change for that to be the case

 

I'm fairly certain the Sox -- and any team -- will look better going into 2020 with Mookie Betts than without. Talent wins out, not promise, and as a longtime fan I would much rather watch a competitive team now than worry about a future that can only be uncertain... There's not even a guarantee any one of us will even have a future to keep watching.

[notin]

I'm fairly certain the Sox -- and any team -- will look better going into 2020 with Mookie Betts than without. Talent wins out, not promise, and as a longtime fan I would much rather watch a competitive team now than worry about a future that can only be uncertain... There's not even a guarantee any one of us will even have a future to keep watching.

 

A fairly grim reason to not think about 2021 and beyond. "Don't worry about the Sox farm system. Why build for the future when the Zombie Apocalypse might negate it anyway?"

[Bellhorn04]

A fairly grim reason to not think about 2021 and beyond. "Don't worry about the Sox farm system. Why build for the future when the Zombie Apocalypse might negate it anyway?"

 

I think it's all about striking a balance. And Zombie Apocalypse is certainly one of the factors in the calculation.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Punting is for football.

[notin]

Punting is for football.

 

Trading Betts is not necessarily punting the 2020 season. Was trading Nomar punting?

[Slasher9]

JD opting in forced C-BlOOM to either:

non tender JBj and do zero other moves for an entire year

or

non tender JBj and trade Betts and have some wiggle room to add players

 

i believe he will go with option #2. he will make a good faith offer to Mr. Betts for a LTC. we all know Mookie is going to turn it down, but it saves the Sox FO face by at least making an aggressive offer (think 8/240). we should start hearing leaks about this pretty soon.....

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Trading Betts is not necessarily punting the 2020 season. Was trading Nomar punting?

 

There's got to be a better example. Nomar wasn't traded after scoring the walk-off run from first base on a single. Nomar was traded after pouting on the bench, while all his teammates stood on the top step of the dugout to watch Jeter dive face-first into the stands. Plus, OCab and Doug M weren't prospects coming here in '04, but refinements.

 

I can't think of any Red Sox blockbuster trades where the Sox actually swapped a star player and got back a haul of prospects. MLB.com can't either, because in this link, almost all of the deals are when Boston gave up the haul for a star in return (except getting Varitek and Lowe for Slocumb, who wasn't even good at the time).

10 biggest trades in Red Sox history

WWW.MLB.COM

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BOSTON -- Few teams in baseball history have had as many impactful trades as the Red Sox, who helped set up their recent golden era of World Series championships with their wheeling and dealing ways. Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Chris Sale and Josh Beckett are some of the championship aces

 

Does anyone recall a haul?

[Elktonnick]

There's got to be a better example. Nomar wasn't traded after scoring the walk-off run from first base on a single. Nomar was traded after pouting on the bench, while all his teammates stood on the top step of the dugout to watch Jeter dive face-first into the stands. Plus, OCab and Doug M weren't prospects coming here in '04, but refinements.

 

I can't think of any Red Sox blockbuster trades where the Sox actually swapped a star player and got back a haul of prospects. MLB.com can't either, because in this link, almost all of the deals are when Boston gave up the haul for a star in return (except getting Varitek and Lowe for Slocumb, who wasn't even good at the time).

10 biggest trades in Red Sox history

WWW.MLB.COM

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BOSTON -- Few teams in baseball history have had as many impactful trades as the Red Sox, who helped set up their recent golden era of World Series championships with their wheeling and dealing ways. Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Chris Sale and Josh Beckett are some of the championship aces

 

Does anyone recall a haul?

 

Ken Rosenthal writing in the Athletic quotes rival executives who think it will tough for Boston to trade Betts.