A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[notin]

I just wonder if he passes through waivers and the Sox bring him back on a MiLB deal. He was a AAA All Star or some s*** last year.

 

By the time he played in BOS last year, I had already tuned out the season.

 

He might have been an AAA All Star, but not much about him made me think he was much of an MLB pitcher, if one at all...

[mvp 78]

Travis Lakins was claimed by the Orioles.

[oldmaninthevegasdesert]

We lived in San Diego from 2005-2017, and the place is great for the weather, but it is just not a sports city. The Sox 1B plays in Chicago, courtesy of Padre management. I think there is something in the water, names like Alomar, McGriff, and the wizard of Oz come to mind in past fabulous giveaways in trades. They might be wising up though if the names I have heard being tossed around are true. I want NONE of them. The Dodger situation is different and there is a history between the G.M's, so I do see a possible trade there that involves Verdugo as the centerpiece. We shall see.

[oldmaninthevegasdesert]

Travis Lakins was claimed by the Orioles.

 

they need to order the bubbly

[notin]

Travis Lakins was claimed by the Orioles.

 

I liked Lakins a lot more than Kelley...

[mvp 78]

they need to order the bubbly

 

I do appreciate that the Sox traded Lakins for cash/PTBNL and the Cubs just waived him a few weeks later.

 

Free money.

[notin]

I do appreciate that the Sox traded Lakins for cash/PTBNL and the Cubs just waived him a few weeks later.

 

Free money.

 

Unless that PTBNL is Jason Heyward...

[mvp 78]

Unless that PTBNL is Jason Heyward...

 

The Cubs don't pick the player, the Sox do.

[notin]

The Cubs don't pick the player, the Sox do.

 

There's usually an agreed upon list at the time of the trade. In some cases, it's conditional based on the traded player. If he gets X AB or Y IP, it's this guy. And so on...

[mvp 78]

There's usually an agreed upon list at the time of the trade. In some cases, it's conditional based on the traded player. If he gets X AB or Y IP, it's this guy. And so on...

 

Yes.

[moonslav59]

O's claim Lakins.

[notin]

Yes.

 

There have been a couple fun cases in MLB history where the PTBNL was the original player traded, effectively meaning these players were traded for themselves (Harry Chiti, Dickie Noles, Brad Gulden and former Providence College and Red Sox SS John McDonald).

 

Rob Ducey was part of two seperate PTBNL trades between the Blue Jays and Phillies in 2000, but he was not actually traded for himself, despite being reported otherwise by ESPN at the time...

[Bellhorn04]

O's claim Lakins.

 

You're 19 minutes late.

[mvp 78]

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/john-mcdonald-%E2%80%94-who-was-once-traded-for-himself-%E2%80%94-retires-025408489.html

 

On July 22, 2005, McDonald was sent to Detroit in a conditional deal where compensation would be finalized months down the road. In November of the same year, the two sides settled the deal when Detroit sent cash to Toronto. A few days later, Toronto used that money to buy McDonald back, finalizing what was basically a three-month rental.

 

It's a very strange scenario, but it's not a first.

 

After digging the baseball history books, it turns out McDonald is one of six MLB players to be traded under these circumstances. Clint Courtney was the first in 1961. On January 24, Courtney was traded by the Baltimore Orioles to the Kansas City Athletics in a seven-player deal. On April 15, he was sent back to Baltimore to complete the deal. Harry Chiti (1962), Mark Ross (1985-86), Dickie Noles (1987) and Archie Corbin (1992-93) are the others.

 

 

LOLOLOL

[notin]

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/john-mcdonald-%E2%80%94-who-was-once-traded-for-himself-%E2%80%94-retires-025408489.html

 

On July 22, 2005, McDonald was sent to Detroit in a conditional deal where compensation would be finalized months down the road. In November of the same year, the two sides settled the deal when Detroit sent cash to Toronto. A few days later, Toronto used that money to buy McDonald back, finalizing what was basically a three-month rental.

 

It's a very strange scenario, but it's not a first.

 

After digging the baseball history books, it turns out McDonald is one of six MLB players to be traded under these circumstances. Clint Courtney was the first in 1961. On January 24, Courtney was traded by the Baltimore Orioles to the Kansas City Athletics in a seven-player deal. On April 15, he was sent back to Baltimore to complete the deal. Harry Chiti (1962), Mark Ross (1985-86), Dickie Noles (1987) and Archie Corbin (1992-93) are the others.

 

 

LOLOLOL

 

No mention of Brad Gulden?

 

From his B-R page:

 

November 18, 1980: Traded by the New York Yankees with $150,000 to the Seattle Mariners for a player to be named later and Larry Milbourne. The Seattle Mariners sent Brad Gulden (May 18, 1981) to the New York Yankees to complete the trade.

[notin]

The Mets signed Mountain Matt Adams to a minor league deal. Adams was one of the names I thought would be an upgrade over Moreland. Granted, not a huge one as Adams career OPS vs RHP (.816) isn't substantially higher than Moreland's (.789).

 

But he was cheaper. Also he is 3 years younger...

[moonslav59]

The Mets signed Mountain Matt Adams to a minor league deal. Adams was one of the names I thought would be an upgrade over Moreland. Granted, not a huge one as Adams career OPS vs RHP (.816) isn't substantially higher than Moreland's (.789).

 

But he was cheaper. Also he is 3 years younger...

 

It's deals like this that make me scratch my head and wonder.

[Bellhorn04]

The Mets signed Mountain Matt Adams to a minor league deal. Adams was one of the names I thought would be an upgrade over Moreland. Granted, not a huge one as Adams career OPS vs RHP (.816) isn't substantially higher than Moreland's (.789).

 

But he was cheaper. Also he is 3 years younger...

 

It's deals like this that make me scratch my head and wonder.

 

He had a -0.1 fWAR last year. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[moonslav59]

He had a -0.1 fWAR last year. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

He's hit 61 HRs his last 955 ABs (.791 OPS)- 3 yrs. That's better than my expectations for Chavis.

 

His career OPS vs RHPs is .816. (31 HRs per 650 PAs)

 

Moreland is at .782 the last 3 years. He has a .789 career OPS vs RHPs.

 

Adams would have been good depth and might even be better than MM.

 

I'm not worried, because it's a lost season anyways, but I do wonder.

[mvp 78]

He had a -0.1 fWAR last year. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

Yeah, they just stuck with Mitch for familiarity.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yeah, they just stuck with Mitch for familiarity.

 

Agreed -- Moreland means more as a veteran presence in that clubhouse in flux than 9/1000th of OPS. He's decent around the bag, too (though I've never heard of Adams being indecent there; not like Psycho Lyons, anyway).

[moonslav59]

Agreed -- Moreland means more as a veteran presence in that clubhouse in flux than 9/1000th of OPS. He's decent around the bag, too (though I've never heard of Adams being indecent there; not like Psycho Lyons, anyway).

 

They coulda-shoulda got both.

[moonslav59]

Assuming no additions or subtractions or injuries, here's my guess on the opening day 26 man roster:

 

60 Day IL: Pedroia

 

13 Pitchers: Sale, ERod, Price, Eovaldi, Perez, Workman, Barnes, Taylor, Walden,DHern, Hembree (no options), Brice (no options) & Weber (no options)

 

2 Catchers: Vazquez & Plawecki

1 First base: Moreland

1 Second base: Peraza

1 Third base: Devers

1 Short Stop: Bogaerts

1 Left Field: Benintendi

1 Center Field: JBJ

1 Right Field: Betts

1 DH: Martinez

3 Utility: Chavis, Lin & Arauz (rule 5)

 

Almost sure to get some ML time:

P: Velazquez, Shawaryn, Brewer, Osich, Houck, Poyner, Johnson

NP: Dalbec, Chatham, Marco

Edited February 2, 2020 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

Big assumption there

[moonslav59]

Big assumption there

 

Yes, but an assumption does not mean I am projecting no deals or injuries. It was only an exercise in showing where we stand, right now.

 

And, it doesn't look all that good, does it?.

[Larry Cook]

Assuming no additions or subtractions or injuries, here's my guess on the opening day 26 man roster:

 

60 Day IL: Pedroia

 

13 Pitchers: Sale, ERod, Price, Eovaldi, Perez, Workman, Barnes, Taylor, Walden,DHern, Hembree (no options), Brice (no options) & Weber (no options)

 

2 Catchers: Vazquez & Plawecki

1 First base: Moreland

1 Second base: Peraza

1 Third base: Devers

1 Short Stop: Bogaerts

1 Left Field: Benintendi

1 Center Field: JBJ

1 Right Field: Betts

1 DH: Martinez

3 Utility: Chavis, Lin & Arauz (rule 5)

 

Almost sure to get some ML time:

P: Velazquez, Shawaryn, Brewer, Osich, Houck, Poyner, Johnson

NP: Dalbec, Chatham, Marco

 

The real question that we need answered is the health of our starting pitchers?

[mvp 78]

Yes, but an assumption does not mean I am projecting no deals or injuries. It was only an exercise in showing where we stand, right now.

 

And, it doesn't look all that good, does it?.

They won 108 games in 2018 with a very similar roster.

[Bellhorn04]

They won 108 games in 2018 with a very similar roster.

 

I think the issue is that the starting pitching outlook seems much worse. The only pitcher who took a step in the right direction was E-Rod.

 

Pessimism abounds about the health of Sale, Price and Eovaldi. (Price may be gone of course.)

 

Johnson and Velazquez turned into rotten pumpkins etc.

[mvp 78]

My point is that people are quick to remember 2019 failures, but even quicker to forget 2018 successes.

 

Will they all evert to 2018 form? Probably not, but I won’t rule it out.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm feeling pretty pessimistic about the 2020 team's chances myself.

 

Especially if they trade Betts and Price, which seems fairly likely.