Chris Owings >13th pitcher?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I still believe the SOX would have to play .750 the rest of the way to make PO's. Not impossible.

[Bellhorn04]

Johnson can start over Porcello or Casner not Shawaryn and Houck. I mentioned those two as roster replacements not rotation replacements.

 

Johnson already is starting.

 

Sale

E-Rod

 

Who are your 3, 4 and 5 starters after you cut Porcello?

[moonslav59]

Johnson already is starting.

 

Sale

E-Rod

 

Who are your 3, 4 and 5 starters after you cut Porcello?

 

I forgot Price is out.

 

I'd go back to 13 pitchers by replacing Moreland with a pitcher.

 

3 Johnson

 

4 Velazquez

 

5 pen game maybe started by DHerm or Weber

[moonslav59]

I still believe the SOX would have to play .750 the rest of the way to make PO's. Not impossible.

 

Normally, I'm the last to pack it in, but I just see no way we play .750, and even that may not be enough.

[Bellhorn04]

I forgot Price is out.

 

I'd go back to 13 pitchers by replacing Moreland with a pitcher.

 

3 Johnson

 

4 Velazquez

 

5 pen game maybe started by DHerm or Weber

 

So 3 bullpen games, basically. A 3 ring circus.

 

The fact you forget Price is out says a lot about your clarity on this.

[Slasher9]

I guess we could use the 2007 Rockies as inspiration.

 

#20inarow

[moonslav59]

So 3 bullpen games, basically. A 3 ring circus.

 

The fact you forget Price is out says a lot about your clarity on this.

 

I'd do the same, if Price and Sale were our , except I'd bring up Shawaryn or someone who can go 5 innings.

 

I'd like to be more sure about Shawaryn before this winter. He still could like Beeks.

[moonslav59]

#20inarow

 

I might start believing if we can just win 9 out of 10, but it ain't happening.

[Bellhorn04]

I'd do the same, if Price and Sale were our , except I'd bring up Shawaryn or someone who can go 5 innings.

 

I'd like to be more sure about Shawaryn before this winter. He still could like Beeks.

 

Well, fortunately, Cora and the team don't think like you.

[moonslav59]

Well, fortunately, Cora and the team don't think like you.

 

I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. Me, I wanna see more of some guys that might be part of next year's plan.

 

I'm not expecting or trying to convince people to more like me, but maybe just to understand my view.

[Slasher9]

I might start believing if we can just win 9 out of 10, but it ain't happening.

 

Faith. If 2004 can happen, anything can happen. #20inarow

[moonslav59]

Faith. If 2004 can happen, anything can happen. #20inarow

 

4 games in row is easier than 20

[Slasher9]

4 games in row is easier than 20

 

20 is hyperbole. What I am trying to say is don’t give up.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

20 is hyperbole. What I am trying to say is don’t give up.

 

Except that at no time this season has this team even remotely shown the ability to go 20-0. Or even 15-3, etc. And now we learn that Sale is to the IL.

[Bellhorn04]

I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. Me, I wanna see more of some guys that might be part of next year's plan.

 

I'm not expecting or trying to convince people to more like me, but maybe just to understand my view.

 

It's not just a question of how slim our chances are. It's the principle that you owe it to the fans who are paying big dollars to watch games, and to MLB in general, not to start treating games as workouts for next season in mid-August.

 

I understand that you feel it could be for the greater good of the team, and maybe it would be. But there's more to think about than that.

[moonslav59]

It's not just a question of how slim our chances are. It's the principle that you owe it to the fans who are paying big dollars to watch games, and to MLB in general, not to start treating games as workouts for next season in mid-August.

 

I understand that you feel it could be for the greater good of the team, and maybe it would be. But there's more to think about than that.

 

I realize why my plan won't happen and don't expect others to feel like I do, but I would, as a fan too, enjoy watching more kids play instead of deadwood players most of whom have been sucking anyways. Is any fan really going to be bummed they went to a game where VelaQuez started instead of Caahner?

[Bellhorn04]

I realize why my plan won't happen and don't expect others to feel like I do, but I would, as a fan too, enjoy watching more kids play instead of deadwood players most of whom have been sucking anyways. Is any fan really going to be bummed they went to a game where VelaQuez started instead of Caahner?

 

Cashner already got moved to the pen of course.

 

To me it's all about whether the team is actually trying to win the games. If they make it obvious that they really don't care about winning or losing the games, the fans and media are going to know it.

 

In last night's game when Owings pinch-hit for Holt, one of the fans here (hi Slash) went off on poor Cora about it. Fans still really care about winning the games.

[moonslav59]

Cashner already got moved to the pen of course.

 

To me it's all about whether the team is actually trying to win the games. If they make it obvious that they really don't care about winning or losing the games, the fans and media are going to know it.

 

In last night's game when Owings pinch-hit for Holt, one of the fans here (hi Slash) went off on poor Cora about it. Fans still really care about winning the games.

 

I hate to watch us lose, too, but it's worse, for me, if the losing has no purposeful meaning going forward. When your team sucks, playing deadwood makes little sense, unless you are thinking of re-signing the guy(s).

 

I don't enjoy watching deadwood win over promising kids lose, and our deadwood, for the most part, are not winning.

 

Plus, going all out to win when you have no chance risks injury to key players.

 

I caught a lot of grief for saying, 2 weeks ago, we should shut down Sale & Price. Now, both are on the IL. I hope the fans are happy, now. They got to see them pitch instead of a kid and got their money's worth for one game.

[Bellhorn04]

I hate to watch us lose, too, but it's worse, for me, if the losing has no purposeful meaning going forward. When your team sucks, playing deadwood makes little sense, unless you are thinking of re-signing the guy(s).

 

I don't enjoy watching deadwood win over promising kids lose, and our deadwood, for the most part, are not winning.

 

Plus, going all out to win when you have no chance risks injury to key players.

 

I caught a lot of grief for saying, 2 weeks ago, we should shut down Sale & Price. Now, both are on the IL. I hope the fans are happy, now. They got to see them pitch instead of a kid and got their money's worth for one game.

 

If Sale needs TJS, it might be a lot better that it happened now instead of next April.

 

Price's injury is not a big deal as I understand it.

 

The 2019 Red Sox don't suck except by comparison to expectations. We're 66-59 with a 69-56 Pythagorean record and might have been capable of winning 90 games before the Sale injury.

 

The Orioles suck.

[moonslav59]

If Sale needs TJS, it might be a lot better that it happened now instead of next April.

 

Price's injury is not a big deal as I understand it.

 

The 2019 Red Sox don't suck except by comparison to expectations. We're 66-59 with a 69-56 Pythagorean record and might have been capable of winning 90 games before the Sale injury.

 

The Orioles suck.

 

Yes, chances are, if Sale needs TJ, he'd probably have hurt it next April had we sat him when I suggested it. Probably.

 

I still think Sox management knows something us physically wrong with Price. They have babied him all year.

 

If that is true, sitting him now still makes sense, unless he is over the injury and needs to build back up arm strength.

 

This recent IL stint hints at a continuing issue, but I do not know for sure. I doubt he'll be any better next year because he pitches in September.

[Kimmi]

He must be the only one on the team, then.

 

This is nonsense.

[Kimmi]

I still believe the SOX would have to play .750 the rest of the way to make PO's. Not impossible.

 

The Sox played .750 ball in two different months last season, April and July. The team has the ability to do it, they just need to do it.

[Kimmi]

#20inarow

 

In!

[cp176]

It's not just a question of how slim our chances are. It's the principle that you owe it to the fans who are paying big dollars to watch games, and to MLB in general, not to start treating games as workouts for next season in mid-August.

 

I understand that you feel it could be for the greater good of the team, and maybe it would be. But there's more to think about than that.

 

This is absolutely the way I see things. These guys are very well paid athletes and shutting them down now would be ridiculous. i could care less whether we are in or out of the playoffs, the best payers still should be on the field.

[moonslav59]

This is absolutely the way I see things. These guys are very well paid athletes and shutting them down now would be ridiculous. i could care less whether we are in or out of the playoffs, the best payers still should be on the field.

 

This sense of urgency, IMO, would have made more sense 3-4 weeks ago.

[notin]

Cashner already got moved to the pen of course.

 

To me it's all about whether the team is actually trying to win the games. If they make it obvious that they really don't care about winning or losing the games, the fans and media are going to know it.

 

In last night's game when Owings pinch-hit for Holt, one of the fans here (hi Slash) went off on poor Cora about it. Fans still really care about winning the games.

 

Slasher refuses to wave the white flag. Good for him!

[notin]

This is absolutely the way I see things. These guys are very well paid athletes and shutting them down now would be ridiculous. i could care less whether we are in or out of the playoffs, the best payers still should be on the field.

 

The counter argument here is maybe some of the best players aren’t the ones currently in Boston...

[Bellhorn04]

The counter argument here is maybe some of the best players aren’t the ones currently in Boston...

 

That argument would need some support though.

[notin]

That argument would need some support though.

 

There’s only two ways for that to happen.

 

1. Let some of them play.

 

2. Readily admit most are better than Chris Owings

[Bellhorn04]

There’s only two ways for that to happen.

 

1. Let some of them play.

 

2. Readily admit most are better than Chris Owings

 

Sure, we could do what Moon suggested, cut Porcello, bring up Shawaryn, have piles of bullpen games and just have fun!