What are the chances of Porcello being offered a contract extension?

[notin]

Do you seriously think the primary reason Theo Epstein traded Renteria was media pressure?

 

 

No. I think he only signed him over Cabrera in an effort to rebuild the farm (letting Cabrera go netted the Sox Ellsbury and Lowrie, but signing Renteria cost them Colby Rasmus) and he couldn’t refuse the offer of Marte.

 

If Epstein was just unloading him to get him out of town, wouldn’t that return be considered surprisingly successful?

[notin]

He was traded because Lugo was Theo's binky and no other SS would compare. He absolutely loved that guy.

 

Well, we had that Alex Gonzalez guy in between...

[mvp 78]

Well, we had that Alex Gonzalez guy in between...

 

Lugo wasn't available yet. They worked on trades with TB that offseason, but nothing came to fruition.

[notin]

Half this board is guilty of it unfortunately. A good chunk of posters think I am insane for wanting Porcello back..... granted nobody can give me a valid option of who will replace him and for what cost.

 

 

I don’t think you’re crazy for wanting Porcello back. I do have other reasons, though

[notin]

Lugo wasn't available yet. They worked on trades with TB that offseason, but nothing came to fruition.

 

 

That was all a shame. Gonzalez was my favorite of the post-Nomar Shortstop Revolving Door...

[Bellhorn04]

No. I think he only signed him over Cabrera in an effort to rebuild the farm (letting Cabrera go netted the Sox Ellsbury and Lowrie, but signing Renteria cost them Colby Rasmus) and he couldn’t refuse the offer of Marte.

 

If Epstein was just unloading him to get him out of town, wouldn’t that return be considered surprisingly successful?

 

I can't really assess the return.

 

But it's out of the ordinary for a team like the Red Sox to sign a player to what was at the time a big contract, and then trade them after one season.

 

I'd say yes, Theo wanted him out of town, but maybe wouldn't have traded him unless he got a return he could live with.

[TylerD]

I don’t think you’re crazy for wanting Porcello back. I do have other reasons, though

 

hahaha! That's fair. Some of my views can be pretty out there at times.....

 

For example. I really enjoyed Batman V Superman. Don't get the hate. But regardless....

[Slasher9]

hahaha! That's fair. Some of my views can be pretty out there at times.....

 

For example. I really enjoyed Batman V Superman. Don't get the hate. But regardless....

 

i loved batman v superman. especially the director cut.

[notin]

hahaha! That's fair. Some of my views can be pretty out there at times.....

 

For example. I really enjoyed Batman V Superman. Don't get the hate. But regardless....

 

There’s that. Plus you suggested naming your newborn son “Mookie” to your wife...

[vegasbob]

Kepping him, winning another ring, and then getting a comp pick after offering him a 1 year deal might not be bad.

 

That would be the ultimate sequence. Consider it done.

[mvp 78]

That would be the ultimate sequence. Consider it done.

 

Nah, he goes unsigned if they offer him the QO.

[vegasbob]

But even that behavior isn’t unique to Boston or exclusive to large markets. Social media makes it very, very easy for anyone and EVERY player in MLB has detractors on Twitter or bloggers who rip them for some reason.

 

And even then, do you think Foulke or Pedroia or whoever thought about it on the field? And it affected their play?

 

On the field and in the clubhouse, the players (hopefully) are in the moment as you say. But there are about 10 other hours a day, aside from bad dreams, for them to think about themselves. These guys have had big egos and strong self images since Little League due to their success. If you don't think media coverage or fan reaction matters to these guys, off the field, you haven't dealt with enough professional athletes, politicians, or CEO's. It does matter and has some influence on them. Different personalities and mental makeups allow some to deal effectively with it and respond with success, and others go hide in their locker. Ryan Leaf comes to mind.

[vegasbob]

Half this board is guilty of it unfortunately. A good chunk of posters think I am insane for wanting Porcello back..... granted nobody can give me a valid option of who will replace him and for what cost.

 

The issue of Rick's replacement at this stage is misdirection. Making him a QO is similar to Kimbrel, even if you think he won't take it. It can be a negotiating tool to get a little better deal (shorter term/lower AAV) If not taken, the outcome could be very similar to Kimbrel and Keuchel sitting out a few months. The question is what term and cost will Rick assign to himself, compared to how much will it cost to fill 180-200 innings.

 

Who is his replacement if gone ?? Unknown right now, but does someone think there will be no starters on the trade or FA market next winter ? Personally, I think Porcello is a reliable long term starter with little history of arm , shoulder or knee problems. I would make him a fair offer and lock down another part of the rotation to go with Price and Sale. Or, as as I said, if DD has no interest in going forward for other reasons that we don't know, move Rick mid-season and get some value back. Who would replace him this July ?? The same person who would take his turn if he falls down in the shower tomorrow . Steven Wright/Wrong, assuming he can pitch at all, which is questionable. He is reaching his 80 day get out of jail card in a few weeks. Or Darwinzon . Or Sonny Gray for all I know.

[TylerD]

i loved batman v superman. especially the director cut.

 

It's fantastic!!! Glad someone agrees with me. Didn't understand all the hate. Doomsday at the end I wasn't a huge fan of his look but still a good movie.

[TylerD]

there’s that. Plus you suggested naming your newborn son “mookie” to your wife...

 

it's a great name!

[TylerD]

The issue of Rick's replacement at this stage is misdirection. Making him a QO is similar to Kimbrel, even if you think he won't take it. It can be a negotiating tool to get a little better deal (shorter term/lower AAV) If not taken, the outcome could be very similar to Kimbrel and Keuchel sitting out a few months. The question is what term and cost will Rick assign to himself, compared to how much will it cost to fill 180-200 innings.

 

Who is his replacement if gone ?? Unknown right now, but does someone think there will be no starters on the trade or FA market next winter ? Personally, I think Porcello is a reliable long term starter with little history of arm , shoulder or knee problems. I would make him a fair offer and lock down another part of the rotation to go with Price and Sale. Or, as as I said, if DD has no interest in going forward for other reasons that we don't know, move Rick mid-season and get some value back. Who would replace him this July ?? The same person who would take his turn if he falls down in the shower tomorrow . Steven Wright/Wrong, assuming he can pitch at all, which is questionable. He is reaching his 80 day get out of jail card in a few weeks. Or Darwinzon . Or Sonny Gray for all I know.

 

Well said! I'm not holding on to the Steven Wright card anymore. He hasn't played in so long who knows how rusty he will be in the MLB. Weber we know little about but looked sharp in his first start. Maybe he is our guy. As it stands right now we don't know what Porcello offered as a discount (wish we did) because it's hard to believe we can find a 3rd rotation guy as consistent as Porcello for much cheaper.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Porcello is a must extend in my opinion .

[TylerD]

Porcello is a must extend in my opinion .

 

+1!! I stand by this comment.

[vegasbob]

Well said! I'm not holding on to the Steven Wright card anymore. He hasn't played in so long who knows how rusty he will be in the MLB. Weber we know little about but looked sharp in his first start. Maybe he is our guy. As it stands right now we don't know what Porcello offered as a discount (wish we did) because it's hard to believe we can find a 3rd rotation guy as consistent as Porcello for much cheaper.

 

Weber choked on a chicken bone today and virtually eliminated himself as any serious participant . Josh Taylor didn't do much either.

[notin]

Well said! I'm not holding on to the Steven Wright card anymore. He hasn't played in so long who knows how rusty he will be in the MLB. Weber we know little about but looked sharp in his first start. Maybe he is our guy. As it stands right now we don't know what Porcello offered as a discount (wish we did) because it's hard to believe we can find a 3rd rotation guy as consistent as Porcello for much cheaper.

 

To be fair to Wright, his hiatus from MLB is shorter thanRyan Brasier’s was last year...

[moonslav59]

To be fair to Wright, his hiatus from MLB is shorter thanRyan Brasier’s was last year...

 

But, Brasier was pitching in professional baseball before he was called up.

[notin]

But, Brasier was pitching in professional baseball before he was called up.

 

 

His hiatus was due to no one wanting him to pitch. And he did have an injury with surgery. Wright’s is just due to injury and suspension.

 

It’s easy to forget about Wright, but he still has a chance to contribute...

[Bellhorn04]

His hiatus was due to no one wanting him to pitch. And he did have an injury with surgery. Wright’s is just due to injury and suspension.

 

It’s easy to forget about Wright, but he still has a chance to contribute...

 

He's more likely a Wright off because of his physical issues. He can't get and stay healthy, and I assume that's why he turned to the PED's.

[mvp 78]

Roid rage is also why he tried beating up his wife. Wright sucks. He needs to go away.

[notin]

Roid rage is also why he tried beating up his wife. Wright sucks. He needs to go away.

 

 

I was surprised that didn’t happen months ago. I guess he’s still in the plans...

[TylerD]

Weber choked on a chicken bone today and virtually eliminated himself as any serious participant . Josh Taylor didn't do much either.

 

Ya, that was ugly..... I'm scared to even give the guy another chance. Looked decent his first start but man his last two have been ugly.

[TylerD]

Roid rage is also why he tried beating up his wife. Wright sucks. He needs to go away.

 

Yup, he doesn't seem to learn a lesson either. I just simply don't like the guy even if he did come back and play well.

[mvp 78]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2019/6/7/18648577/rick-porcello-red-sox-rotation

 

This is a Rick Porcello appreciation post

 

With the Red Sox being the home of Chris Sale, Nathan Eovaldi and David Price, it’s rare to find yourself in a situation where you are truly thankful for a guy like Rick Porcello, but here we are. After being told that he wasn’t going to get a contract extension before the season started, it would have been easy for him to let that affect his mentality — and it very well could have been lingering in the back of his mind when he gave up 16 runs in his first two starts. But he’s been (mostly) a picture of consistency since then really, and it couldn’t be coming at a better time with free agency looming and Eovaldi and Price both missing time with injuries. Given the injury history for both of those guys and Sale not always looking like himself this year, I’m starting to come around on the idea of re-signing Porcello.

 

The prospect of having four 30-year-old pitchers locked up long-term is a bit daunting, but the more Porcello contributes this year, the more the front office has to consider giving him a two or three-year deal come the offseason. It’s unlikely he wins another Cy Young, because even the first one was a bit surprising — just ask Kate Upton — but he’s been arguably Boston’s most consistent pitcher this season, which is another welcome surprise. The Red Sox are 8-2 in Porcello’s last 10 starts and he has given them at least six innings in seven of those appearances. He’s not striking out 10 guys every night, but he’s doing what he has always done best — eating innings and pitching good enough to give his team a chance to win each time he goes out. Even in Saturday’s loss, Porcello gave his team a chance against a hot Yankees team that’s averaging 5.34 runs a night. He just ran into a hotter Gary Sanchez in the fifth inning.

 

“He’s been very consistent for the last six, seven starts, and that’s what he’s here for,” Alex Cora said recently, per the Boston Herald. That’s all you can ask for from the fourth best pitcher in the rotation. And one could argue he’s giving you much more than that. Since April 24th, Porcello has posted the 14th-best batting average against in the American League (.221), the 8th-best BABIP (.245), and the 9th-lowest WHIP (1.06), per Fangraphs. Find me another No. 4 starter who has been better over the last few months. It would be tough.

 

Porcello’s slider and curveball seem to be a big reason for his success recently. Per Brooks Baseball, the BAA on his slider is at .209, which is down from .219 last season and .229 the year before that and comparable to where it was the year he won the Cy Young (.192). Same thing with the curve with a BAA of .188, down from .293 in 2018 and in line with the .203 BAA he saw with the curve in 2016. It would be nice to see him have the same success with the changeup that he had in 2016 but I will take what I can get.

 

Over the last few months, Porcello is pitching like it’s a contract year. He has been open about wanting to stay in Boston and it feels like he would take a pay cut to do that. Either way, the Red Sox will have to spend money on another rotational piece in the offseason and Porcello is showing that he wants it to be him. If he keeps pitching like this, he is going to make it harder for Dave Dombrowski to say no. Obviously, there are a lot of big decisions coming for Boston and I still think it all starts and ends with Mookie Betts. Now that he’s seen what Bryce Harper and Manny Machado got, I think you have to sit down with him again this offseason and put your best offer on the table. If he says no, it might be time to think of other ways to spend the $25-30 million you were (hopefully) going to give Betts annually. Bringing back Porcello wouldn’t be the worst place to start.

[Slasher9]

apparently:

winning > wife beater

Sad!

[TylerD]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2019/6/7/18648577/rick-porcello-red-sox-rotation

 

This is a Rick Porcello appreciation post

 

With the Red Sox being the home of Chris Sale, Nathan Eovaldi and David Price, it’s rare to find yourself in a situation where you are truly thankful for a guy like Rick Porcello, but here we are. After being told that he wasn’t going to get a contract extension before the season started, it would have been easy for him to let that affect his mentality — and it very well could have been lingering in the back of his mind when he gave up 16 runs in his first two starts. But he’s been (mostly) a picture of consistency since then really, and it couldn’t be coming at a better time with free agency looming and Eovaldi and Price both missing time with injuries. Given the injury history for both of those guys and Sale not always looking like himself this year, I’m starting to come around on the idea of re-signing Porcello.

 

The prospect of having four 30-year-old pitchers locked up long-term is a bit daunting, but the more Porcello contributes this year, the more the front office has to consider giving him a two or three-year deal come the offseason. It’s unlikely he wins another Cy Young, because even the first one was a bit surprising — just ask Kate Upton — but he’s been arguably Boston’s most consistent pitcher this season, which is another welcome surprise. The Red Sox are 8-2 in Porcello’s last 10 starts and he has given them at least six innings in seven of those appearances. He’s not striking out 10 guys every night, but he’s doing what he has always done best — eating innings and pitching good enough to give his team a chance to win each time he goes out. Even in Saturday’s loss, Porcello gave his team a chance against a hot Yankees team that’s averaging 5.34 runs a night. He just ran into a hotter Gary Sanchez in the fifth inning.

 

“He’s been very consistent for the last six, seven starts, and that’s what he’s here for,” Alex Cora said recently, per the Boston Herald. That’s all you can ask for from the fourth best pitcher in the rotation. And one could argue he’s giving you much more than that. Since April 24th, Porcello has posted the 14th-best batting average against in the American League (.221), the 8th-best BABIP (.245), and the 9th-lowest WHIP (1.06), per Fangraphs. Find me another No. 4 starter who has been better over the last few months. It would be tough.

 

Porcello’s slider and curveball seem to be a big reason for his success recently. Per Brooks Baseball, the BAA on his slider is at .209, which is down from .219 last season and .229 the year before that and comparable to where it was the year he won the Cy Young (.192). Same thing with the curve with a BAA of .188, down from .293 in 2018 and in line with the .203 BAA he saw with the curve in 2016. It would be nice to see him have the same success with the changeup that he had in 2016 but I will take what I can get.

 

Over the last few months, Porcello is pitching like it’s a contract year. He has been open about wanting to stay in Boston and it feels like he would take a pay cut to do that. Either way, the Red Sox will have to spend money on another rotational piece in the offseason and Porcello is showing that he wants it to be him. If he keeps pitching like this, he is going to make it harder for Dave Dombrowski to say no. Obviously, there are a lot of big decisions coming for Boston and I still think it all starts and ends with Mookie Betts. Now that he’s seen what Bryce Harper and Manny Machado got, I think you have to sit down with him again this offseason and put your best offer on the table. If he says no, it might be time to think of other ways to spend the $25-30 million you were (hopefully) going to give Betts annually. Bringing back Porcello wouldn’t be the worst place to start.

 

 

Damn that was a good read!! I agree with absolutely everything. Though signing Mookie is definitely a top priority, I would factor signing Porcello OR finding his replacement also a top priority. I have been saying it all along. If we let Porcello walk I just can't see us finding a 3rd or 4th rotation guy as consistent as he is and for a decent price. Everyone keeps talking like 30 is so old.... He isn't 35 or older. Sign him to 3 or 4 years and you will get some good seasons out of him.