What are the chances of Porcello being offered a contract extension?

[Slasher9]

None if there's anybody left who's in their right mind in this organization. Anyone who would consider paying a 4.76 ERA pitcher over 20 mil/year should seriously consider on having himself checked out.

 

can you point to the post where someone says to give him $20MM per?

[mvp 78]

None if there's anybody left who's in their right mind in this organization. Anyone who would consider paying a 4.76 ERA pitcher over 20 mil/year should seriously consider on having himself checked out.

 

I'm sure even Porcello isn't expecting 20M per.

[Larry33]

can you point to the post where someone says to give him $20MM per?

 

Well that's what they have been paying him for a few years now actually he's making $21.125 mil this year. If he was been paid 5 mil /year he would still be overpaid.

[mvp 78]

Well that's what they have been paying him for a few years now actually he's making $21.125 mil this year. If he was been paid 5 mil /year he would still be overpaid.

 

He's 30 now. People aren't paying for diminishing returns. His last contract was the big one.

[Bellhorn04]

well that's what they have been paying him for a few years now actually he's making $21.125 mil this year. if he was been paid 5 mil /year he would still be overpaid.

 

Absurd statement.

[moonslav59]

Absurd statement.

 

Ignore the clown troll, and maybe he'll just go away.

[Slasher9]

Well that's what they have been paying him for a few years now actually he's making $21.125 mil this year. If he was been paid 5 mil /year he would still be overpaid.

 

lol. good one babe.

[TylerD]

Well that's what they have been paying him for a few years now actually he's making $21.125 mil this year. If he was been paid 5 mil /year he would still be overpaid.

 

I normally don't call people stupid..... But if you truly believe him making 5 mil a season is over paid you are truly as stupid as it gets. Sorry to be so blunt but my god man.... You can't possibly think this..... Let me ask you something then. Who would take Porcello's place as a 3rd guy in the rotation and consistently give us 6 innings, a chance to win nearly every time they pitch, and probably will take a nice discount because he wants to stay in Boston?

 

Porcello has been very solid this year outside of his last 2 starts. His 8 starts prior to these he gave up 3 runs or less in 7 of those 8 games. Mariners, and Guardians game was a bit disappointing for him but a bad outing against the Yanks is acceptable as it's the Yanks and they have given every pitcher they have faced this season fits. Much like Houston does with Chris Sale.

[notin]

He's 30 now. People aren't paying for diminishing returns. His last contract was the big one.

 

Think he can still get 4yr / $60mill?

[TylerD]

Think he can still get 4yr / $60mill?

 

Definitely.

[mvp 78]

Think he can still get 4yr / $60mill?

 

Sounds closer to being reasonable. I'm not sure I'd want the Sox to do it.

[TylerD]

Sounds closer to being reasonable. I'm not sure I'd want the Sox to do it.

 

I would. Take away 3 s*** games from Porcello this season and he has a really good ERA. Not to mention he was lights out against a very good Oakland team and an even better Houston team. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying Porcello is our ace. But I honestly don’t think we will find a better 3rd guy than Porcello. Wouldn’t make sense to me trying our luck with a different pitcher.

[mvp 78]

I would. Take away 3 s*** games from Porcello this season and he has a really good ERA. Not to mention he was lights out against a very good Oakland team and an even better Houston team. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying Porcello is our ace. But I honestly don’t think we will find a better 3rd guy than Porcello. Wouldn’t make sense to me trying our luck with a different pitcher.

 

That's not how it works though?

 

You have to take the good and take the bad and there you have the facts of Porcello not being a guy I want around long term.

[notin]

I would. Take away 3 s*** games from Porcello this season and he has a really good ERA. Not to mention he was lights out against a very good Oakland team and an even better Houston team. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying Porcello is our ace. But I honestly don’t think we will find a better 3rd guy than Porcello. Wouldn’t make sense to me trying our luck with a different pitcher.

 

 

That’s one quarter of his starts. If you take out his 3 best starts, he also looks a lot worse.

 

I’m ok with taking out an outlier bad start, but the season is too young to ignore such a significant chunk of his sample size to date...

[notin]

Sounds closer to being reasonable. I'm not sure I'd want the Sox to do it.

 

 

Preference at 4 / $60mill: Porcello or Bumgarner?

 

(I do assume Bumgarner will be asking for more. But that’s not the question.)

[TylerD]

That's not how it works though?

 

You have to take the good and take the bad and there you have the facts of Porcello not being a guy I want around long term.

 

For a 3rd starting guy that is what you get. You aren't going to get a friggin Price or Sale at the 3rd spot. I guess it all comes down to money and what he wants but 15 mill a year Porcello deserves it. There is no question.

[TylerD]

That’s one quarter of his starts. If you take out his 3 best starts, he also looks a lot worse.

 

I’m ok with taking out an outlier bad start, but the season is too young to ignore such a significant chunk of his sample size to date...

 

Everyone struggled out of the gates though including Sale, E-Rod and Eovalid. It was a total mess at the beginning of the season. Porcello actually was one of our better pitchers to start the season next to Price. All I'm saying is his strong games came against very very good teams. Fine take the bad with the good..... His s*** games were against the Yankees, Guardians, and Orioles (maybe Mariners.... he went 6 innings and gave up 4 runs) His very solid games were against Tampa, Oakland and Houston. 2 extremely good teams and 1 pretty good team. Porcello as mentioned is a guy that can win you a game or lose you a game but he has way more solid games than bad games and he is a pitcher you can put against anyone which is not an easy task to do. Generally a pitcher has a team they struggle with. Sale against Houston, Price against Yankees etc.

[mvp 78]

Preference at 4 / $60mill: Porcello or Bumgarner?

 

(I do assume Bumgarner will be asking for more. But that’s not the question.)

 

Bumgarner. His two big injuries were dirt bike accident (2017) and broken hand off line drive (2018). Bum's FB has ticked up a little this year.

 

The conversation is definitely closer than anyone would have though back in 2015.

[Slasher9]

Preference at 4 / $60mill: Porcello or Bumgarner?

 

(I do assume Bumgarner will be asking for more. But that’s not the question.)

 

almost a toss up for me.

porc is a year older with 200 more IP on his arm so i guess bum?

they are having a pretty similar year if you factor in AL vs NL

[TylerD]

Preference at 4 / $60mill: Porcello or Bumgarner?

 

(I do assume Bumgarner will be asking for more. But that’s not the question.)

 

This year Porcello has gone 59 innings and given up 27 runs. Bumgarner has gone 61 innings given up 32 runs. Though I do like Bumgarner and if we signed him I wouldn't be livid, I do however think it's pointless..... If he is asking for the same price as Porcello or more keep Porcello..... (I would definitely assume it's more as Porcello said he will take a discount)

[notin]

Bumgarner. His two big injuries were dirt bike accident (2017) and broken hand off line drive (2018). Bum's FB has ticked up a little this year.

 

The conversation is definitely closer than anyone would have though back in 2015.

 

I agree. I lean towards MadBum with all things being equal. But I’m more surprised how equal they’ve actually gotten. I wouldn’t be upset if DD chose Porcello simply to play it safe...

[mvp 78]

I agree. I lean towards MadBum with all things being equal. But I’m more surprised how equal they’ve actually gotten. I wouldn’t be upset if DD chose Porcello simply to play it safe...

 

I agree. I think they need to open up a roster spot for a younger arm (Hernandez, Shawaryn) and give them a real shot.

[moonslav59]

I agree. I think they need to open up a roster spot for a younger arm (Hernandez, Shawaryn) and give them a real shot.

 

I'd like to sign a cheap vet as insurance.

 

I don't think Porcello is back with us next year.

 

I think Betts is our next big financial focus.

[notin]

I agree. I think they need to open up a roster spot for a younger arm (Hernandez, Shawaryn) and give them a real shot.

 

 

These are not mutually exclusive moves...

[mvp 78]

These are not mutually exclusive moves...

 

Who are you clearing out instead?

 

Price, Sale, Evo and ERod will still be here for a few more years.

[notin]

Who are you clearing out instead?

 

Price, Sale, Evo and ERod will still be here for a few more years.

 

1. They could start Shawaryn or Hernandez in the bullpen.

 

2. They could deal E-Rod for a position player (or two?) of need.

[TylerD]

1. They could start Shawaryn or Hernandez in the bullpen.

 

2. They could deal E-Rod for a position player (or two?) of need.

 

Honestly, E-Rod is one player I wouldn't be choked about to see go. Not that he is a bad player by any means but I think he is pretty replaceable.

[moonslav59]

Honestly, E-Rod is one player I wouldn't be choked about to see go. Not that he is a bad player by any means but I think he is pretty replaceable.

 

He's our cheapest SP'er- by far.

 

He has nasty stuff. He's been inconsistent, but I'm sticking with him.

[TylerD]

He's our cheapest SP'er- by far.

 

He has nasty stuff. He's been inconsistent, but I'm sticking with him.

 

Ya I don’t have anything against the guy at all. And he definitely can deliver a great game. I wish he was just a bit more consistent at times. He has never wowed me as a guy we need to keep. But with that said and his contract I’m happy he’s apart of the rotation right now.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I'd extend Rick NOW