4/11 vs. Blue Jays

[Thunder]

If the infield wasn't in that's a 4-6-3 to send it to extras. But, you HAVE to bring the infield in there, so it works

[Station 13]

If the infield wasn't in that's a 4-6-3 to send it to extras. But, you HAVE to bring the infield in there, so it works

 

It was slow, I don't think they would turn it with that hop.

[Jasonbay44]

If the infield wasn't in that's a 4-6-3 to send it to extras. But, you HAVE to bring the infield in there, so it works

 

That was a high chopper, I don't think that was DP Ball.

[SCM33]

There is no on suggesting the pitching isn't to blame, literally no one. Sure some people might be arguing the catchers and even Cora and the pitching coach deserve the blame. But no one in their right mind is giving the pitchers a free pass, they deserve a majority of the blame.

 

Now you are arguing a separate topic, actually....in agreement with me.

 

The difference is not CY YOUNG candidates like Chris Sale, David Price and Rick Porcello sucking with a different catcher. The difference is that they are not pitching well, regardless of catcher.

 

What are you arguing? You are making my point....

 

Regardless, we don't see it the same way, so.....we both have different opinions, which is fine. Im not looking to determine who is more right or wrong. I dont like him, you do.

 

EDIT: I love you either way JB44

[Jasonbay44]

Now you are arguing a separate topic, actually....in agreement with me.

 

The difference is not CY YOUNG candidates like Chris Sale, David Price and Rick Porcello sucking with a different catcher. The difference is that they are not pitching well, regardless of catcher.

 

What are you arguing? You are making my point....

 

Regardless, we don't see it the same way, so.....we both have different opinions, which is fine. Im not looking to determine who is more right or wrong. I dont like him, you do.

 

I think you are misunderstanding what me and many others are arguing in this Leon debate. I am not saying Leon is the reason the pitchers were good, or that Vaz is the reason they are bad.

 

My argument is, neither Leon OR Vazquez are good hitters, they are both very bad hitters. However, Leon is way better defensively (and yes it is a pretty large difference, the metrics support this) and the pitchers seem to be more comfortable with him for whatever reason. So why have Vazquez over Leon? If they both suck in one area, and Leon is superior in the other, why keep Vazquez over Leon? There is nothing Vaz does better, that is the point being made. I'm not arguing that the pitchers are sucking because Leon, if they are MLB pichers being paid millions and can only pitch to Sandy Leon, that is a completely different issue I don't even know how to toggle.

[TylerD]

Offense bailed the starting rotation out yet again but a win is a win.

[iortiz]

Just saw this, mi amigo!

 

Yeah! This is what we needed Moon.

[TylerD]

Yeah! This is what we needed Moon.

 

Hopefully it’s a spark. But still no sign the starting rotation is getting better

[iortiz]

Hopefully it’s a spark. But still no sign the starting rotation is getting better

 

They will show up — If healthy.

 

I still believe this is the best rotation in the majors, again, if healthy. We’ll see.

[Sox75]

Mark my words....

Write it the f*** down!

I'm BACK, Sox are back!

& so the run begins...

[SCM33]

I think you are misunderstanding what me and many others are arguing in this Leon debate. I am not saying Leon is the reason the pitchers were good, or that Vaz is the reason they are bad.

 

My argument is, neither Leon OR Vazquez are good hitters, they are both very bad hitters. However, Leon is way better defensively (and yes it is a pretty large difference, the metrics support this) and the pitchers seem to be more comfortable with him for whatever reason. So why have Vazquez over Leon? If they both suck in one area, and Leon is superior in the other, why keep Vazquez over Leon? There is nothing Vaz does better, that is the point being made. I'm not arguing that the pitchers are sucking because Leon, if they are MLB pichers being paid millions and can only pitch to Sandy Leon, that is a completely different issue I don't even know how to toggle.

 

I do understand what you are saying. I do think that Swihart and Vasquez are better offensive players. I am not sure how much catcher defense really matter.

 

Starting Catchers by World Series Champs:

2018 Leon (Now in AAA)

2017 McCann (backup catcher now, not a good catcher, criticized for ability to frame pitches )

2016 Montero (backup catcher now)

2015 Perez (out of baseball now)

2014 Posey (not a good defensive C, regardless of GG hello Jeter)

2013 Salty (not a good defensive C)

2012 Posey (not a good defensive C, regardless of GG hello Jeter)

[notin]

You’re an awful swing

 

Oh God. Are you my 11 year old daughter? Notina? That you?

[TylerD]

They will show up — If healthy.

 

I still believe this is the best rotation in the majors, again, if healthy. We’ll see.

 

I agree. Though I do hope it’s sooner rather than later.

[jung]

Now you are arguing a separate topic, actually....in agreement with me.

 

The difference is not CY YOUNG candidates like Chris Sale, David Price and Rick Porcello sucking with a different catcher. The difference is that they are not pitching well, regardless of catcher.

 

What are you arguing? You are making my point....

 

Regardless, we don't see it the same way, so.....we both have different opinions, which is fine. Im not looking to determine who is more right or wrong. I dont like him, you do.

 

EDIT: I love you either way JB44

 

Agreed...the starters did not come into the regular season ready to pitch MLB and it shows. That is on them, not the catchers. The starters cannot keep digging these monster holes. The pen has been stout. But when you are down 5-0 the pen has to be perfect and that ain't gonna happen too often.

 

The everyday players are the same everyday players from last year and whether we want to admit it or not they came from behind lots last year or won going into the late innings when tied. That is what they do. They feast on pens. But if your Starters can't keep you close, that is not much of a formula for winning games. Right now, not a single one of the Starters has kept them close. Price has come the closest and that one gutsy start from Sale where we lost 1-0. The rest of the starts they have gotten shelled and some of them are onto their 3rd-4th times getting shelled. That has to stop.

[harmony]

With Thursday evening's win, the Red Sox playoff chances are back up to 50 percent at FiveThirtyEight:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-mlb-predictions/

 

... and 68.1 percent at FanGraphs Playoff Odds:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds

[redsoxrules]

Without Moreland the sox would be 0-13

[mvp 78]

I do understand what you are saying. I do think that Swihart and Vasquez are better offensive players. I am not sure how much catcher defense really matter.

 

Starting Catchers by World Series Champs:

2018 Leon (Now in AAA)

2017 McCann (backup catcher now, not a good catcher, criticized for ability to frame pitches )

2016 Montero (backup catcher now)

2015 Perez (out of baseball now)

2014 Posey (not a good defensive C, regardless of GG hello Jeter)

2013 Salty (not a good defensive C)

2012 Posey (not a good defensive C, regardless of GG hello Jeter)

 

Salvador Perez “out of baseball.” That’s a real interesting way to put his current condition.

[mvp 78]

Oh God. Are you my 11 year old daughter? Notina? That you?

 

I wish I was that old...

 

Are you my 13 year old chihuahua? Mamavp 78? That you? Always yapping at the bigger dogs?

Edited April 12, 2019 by mvp 78

[mvp 78]

Got em.

[OH FOY]

Every team that plays you this year, is going to feel a little better, if they beat you. Even if your a bad team. So, in a way, you have to play better, then last year. They see you coming.

[notin]

I wish I was that old...

 

Are you my 13 year old chihuahua? Mamavp 78? That you? Always yapping at the bigger dogs?

 

 

Hey!! Those bigger dogs are scary!! If I don’t keep them at bay, you’ll be sorry!!

 

Also, I hate squirrels!

[Kimmi]

That was such a awful swing from Devers. lol

 

That's the beauty of baseball.

 

Smoke the ball and make an out. Make weak contact and get a walk off game winning hit.

[Kimmi]

With Thursday evening's win, the Red Sox playoff chances are back up to 50 percent at FiveThirtyEight:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-mlb-predictions/

 

... and 68.1 percent at FanGraphs Playoff Odds:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds

 

Woot!

 

The Sox are back in business!

[Thunder]

I do understand what you are saying. I do think that Swihart and Vasquez are better offensive players. I am not sure how much catcher defense really matter.

 

Starting Catchers by World Series Champs:

2018 Leon (Now in AAA)

2017 McCann (backup catcher now, not a good catcher, criticized for ability to frame pitches )

2016 Montero (backup catcher now)

2015 Perez (out of baseball now)

2014 Posey (not a good defensive C, regardless of GG hello Jeter)

2013 Salty (not a good defensive C)

2012 Posey (not a good defensive C, regardless of GG hello Jeter)

 

FWIW, Perez is just out for the season after having TJ. Still under contract with KC

[vegasbob]

Ironic that among the starters, Eovaldi has yet to lose a game, and Walden has a 2-0 record , both from Eovaldi starts. They make a great duo.

[TylerD]

Ironic that among the starters, Eovaldi has yet to lose a game, and Walden has a 2-0 record , both from Eovaldi starts. They make a great duo.

 

They haven’t been pretty but it amounts to wins. I’ll take a win anyway we can get it. The bats have been awesome too.

[Thunder]

They haven’t been pretty but it amounts to wins. I’ll take a win anyway we can get it. The bats have been awesome too.

 

We don't have a win when we score first. 0-6 I believe. That means we're 4-3 when we play catch up

[Station 13]

They haven’t been pretty but it amounts to wins. I’ll take a win anyway we can get it. The bats have been awesome too.

 

Moreland has deliver some clutch hits. But we still really suck offensively. That first inning Bogaerts and Devers whiffed with the bases loaded. The two AB together reduces the team winning chances in the game by 15%.

[TylerD]

We don't have a win when we score first. 0-6 I believe. That means we're 4-3 when we play catch up

 

If our rotation didn't suck so damn bad that might change. I don't trust even if we are up 8-0 we won't blow it lol. However it's only a matter of time till these guys get things going......hopefully.

[TylerD]

Moreland has deliver some clutch hits. But we still really suck offensively. That first inning Bogaerts and Devers whiffed with the bases loaded. The two AB together reduces the team winning chances in the game by 15%.

 

Ya I definitely think we have some areas to improve on but bat stats we are still 13th in the league and that is with laying an egg in the Oakland series. Being shut out twice and the final game just 3 runs. We aren't losing games because of the bats in my opinions. Especially that Seattle series, if the rotation pitched to what hey are capable of we win that series. 24 runs in a 4 game series should be enough to beat anyone or at least split the series. The Oakland series was a bit of a different story. The offense went to sleep.