Sox nearing extension with Sale

[a700hitter]

Sale was due to make $15 million for 2019, so for luxury tax purposes this makes it 6 years $160 million, for an AAV of 26.7 million.

Shhhh! You will make people cringe.

[moonslav59]

That has no impact on the 2020 payroll for tax purposes though.

 

True. I was looking at the wrong column.

 

[notin]

Sale was due to make $15 million for 2019, so for luxury tax purposes this makes it 6 years $160 million, for an AAV of 26.7 million.

 

 

So that puts the Sox over the $246mill threshold, right?

[Bellhorn04]

So that puts the Sox over the $246mill threshold, right?

 

Affirmative.

[notin]

I wasn't concerned. I was just wondering.

 

 

Now you’re making me sad

[moonslav59]

Sale was due to make $15 million for 2019, so for luxury tax purposes this makes it 6 years $160 million, for an AAV of 26.7 million.

 

I'm not sure it works that way anymore. This was an extension and not a re-write of his old contract.

 

That's why it no longer matters about announcing after the year starts.

[a700hitter]

So that puts the Sox over the $246mill threshold, right?

I don't think so.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not sure it works that way anymore. This was an extension and not a re-write of his old contract.

 

That's why it no longer matters about announcing after the year starts.

 

I disagree. Take a look at the 2019 AAV's for the players who have signed extensions.

[moonslav59]

I disagree. Take a look at the 2019 AAV's for the players who have signed extensions.

 

Did those extensions wipe out their 2019 salary? Trout's replaced the last 2 years of his contract.

 

I think Sale's was strictly 2020 to 2024.

 

(I'm not sure, if I am right.)

[jacksonianmarch]

This extension will not wipe out 2019’s salary. They’ll also announce this after OD so the extension won’t have an impact on 2019. Starting in 2020, his AAV will be $29 mil

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Great signing and it hurts the Yankees. With the Yankees wobbly pitching staff, you would have to think they were ready to spend big on Sale if given the opportunity.

 

Sale is a legacy player too, a guy who will wear a Red Sox cap in the HOF.

[moonslav59]

This extension will not wipe out 2019’s salary. They’ll also announce this after OD so the extension won’t have an impact on 2019. Starting in 2020, his AAV will be $29 mil

I read somewhere that the timing no longer matters, as long as it does not replace the existing contract.

[jacksonianmarch]

What a dumb take. Seriously, you can’t help yourself

 

Aimed at FsB

[jacksonianmarch]

I read somewhere that the timing no longer matters, as long as it does not replace the existing contract.

 

That would be good. Waiting til past OD only left the risk on the player should they get hurt

[jacksonianmarch]

For 2020 assuming no re-signing JD, Bogey or Porcello, fixed costs are as follows

 

Sale $29 mil

Price $31 mil

Pedroia $14 mil

Pablo $5 mil

Vasquez $4 mil

Eovaldi $17 mil

 

Arb

Betts $30 mil

ERod $8 mil

Bradley $12 mil

Beni $5 mil

 

That’s $155 mil right there. Still gonna need to withhold $15 mil for medical and another $10 mil for other arb players and you’re up to $180 mil. You’d be down a starting pitcher, 1b, SS, DH. You’d have $28 mil to fill those holes. My question is whether you go hard for Bogey and give him years over AAV (10 yr $230 mil contract) let JD and Porcello walk and replace the 5th starter, 1B and DH slots internally with Johnson, Dalbec and Chablis. You might be able to do that and sneak under the first threshold, but that leaves you no wiggle room and without JD, Pearce/Moreland and Porcello. Probably not enough to win it all, but could still be a 2nd level WC squad

[Bellhorn04]

Did those extensions wipe out their 2019 salary? Trout's replaced the last 2 years of his contract.

 

I think Sale's was strictly 2020 to 2024.

 

(I'm not sure, if I am right.)

 

Take a look at the 2019 AAV's for Severino and Hicks on Cot's. It's pretty clear there.

[cp176]

Good deal by today's standards. Is it large enough to be "Cringeworthy" by some of our members?

 

I could care less about what anyone who criticizes this deal thinks. To each his own I guess but I think that he is worth a whole lot more. I wish that it could have been for a couple more years - he is the kind of guy i would like to see retire in a Red Sox uniform. I'm sure there will likely be a few on board here who will be able to give us all the data to support their position if they don't like the deal. You know the deal - too old, shoulder concerns, the budget, the impending cliff. To me it is laughable - a great deal for both sides. It is likely I think that Sale wants to be here and that he realizes that 30 a year is ample. A good day!

[Bellhorn04]

I read somewhere that the timing no longer matters, as long as it does not replace the existing contract.

 

My guess is it's the other way around - it doesn't matter if you wait to announce it, it affects the current year AAV.

 

That would explain why no one is waiting to announce them - there's nothing to gain.

[Bellhorn04]

For 2020 assuming no re-signing JD, Bogey or Porcello, fixed costs are as follows

 

Sale $29 mil

Price $31 mil

Pedroia $14 mil

Pablo $5 mil

Vasquez $4 mil

Eovaldi $17 mil

 

Arb

Betts $30 mil

ERod $8 mil

Bradley $12 mil

Beni $5 mil

 

That’s $155 mil right there. Still gonna need to withhold $15 mil for medical and another $10 mil for other arb players and you’re up to $180 mil. You’d be down a starting pitcher, 1b, SS, DH. You’d have $28 mil to fill those holes. My question is whether you go hard for Bogey and give him years over AAV (10 yr $230 mil contract) let JD and Porcello walk and replace the 5th starter, 1B and DH slots internally with Johnson, Dalbec and Chablis. You might be able to do that and sneak under the first threshold, but that leaves you no wiggle room and without JD, Pearce/Moreland and Porcello. Probably not enough to win it all, but could still be a 2nd level WC squad

 

 

Pablo's 5 mill is not part of tax payroll, it was already included.

 

My guess: Bogaerts and Porcello are gone.

 

They try to retain JDM if he opts out.

 

Tax re-set is a non-issue.

[Nick]

Take a look at the 2019 AAV's for Severino and Hicks on Cot's. It's pretty clear there.

 

Severino had one year contract with Yankees for 2018.

 

Chris Sale is on his last year of 7 year contract.

 

Different scenario.

 

Moon is right.

[Nick]

It's great news about Chris Sale.

 

Not concerned about Betts at all.

 

Trade him after this season if he's going to test the free agency.

 

Get something for him.

[Bellhorn04]

Severino had one year contract with Yankees for 2018.

 

Chris Sale is on his last year of 7 year contract.

 

Different scenario.

 

Moon is right.

 

So why does Trout's AAV for 2019 show as 35.5 mill? He was in the second-last year of a deal that had a 24 mill AAV.

[Nick]

So why does Trout's AAV for 2019 show as 35.5 mill? He was in the second-last year of a deal that had a 24 mill AAV.

 

12 years/$426.5M (2019-30)

signed extension with LA Angels 3/20/19, replacing final two seasons of previous contract

 

Trout signed a NEW CONTRACT that covers 2019 and beyond.

 

Sale will sign a NEW CONTRACT that covers 2020 and beyond. 2019 is under the old contract.

[Bellhorn04]

12 years/$426.5M (2019-30)

signed extension with LA Angels 3/20/19, replacing final two seasons of previous contract

 

Trout signed a NEW CONTRACT that covers 2019 and beyond.

 

Sale will sign a NEW CONTRACT that covers 2020 and beyond.

 

Link for 'new rules' please!

[Bellhorn04]

An extension is an extension. Sale now has a 6-year contract.

[Nick]

Link for 'new rules' please!

 

Trout's case has nothing to do with new rule. His old contract was voided and new one replaced.

 

You got me on JD Martinez though. I have no link for you.

But it seems silly to wait to sign on April 1st (a la Porcello) versus announcing on March 22nd.

[Nick]

An extension is an extension. Sale now has a 6-year contract.

 

He has two separate contracts, no?

 

My final answer is this.

 

IT WOULD BE f***ING STUPID FOR RED SOX TO PAY 92.5% PENALTY WHEN THEIR PAYROLL IS CLOSE TO DEATH PENALTY IN 2019.

 

If I'm wrong, my apologies.

Edited March 22, 2019 by Nick

[Bellhorn04]

Trout's case has nothing to do with new rule. His old contract was voided and new one replaced.

 

You got me on JD Martinez though. I have no link for you.

But it seems silly to wait to sign on April 1st (a la Porcello) versus announcing on March 22nd.

 

When they waited with Porcello (just as they had in the past with Beckett), it changed the tax calculations. The Sox were kind of notorious for doing this. I think in the new CBA they probably plugged this little loophole so that whether you wait or not the tax effects are the same.

[Bellhorn04]

Now I read that Alex Bregman's new extension does not affect his tax number for 2019. It's treated like 2 separate contracts. I'm as baffled as anyone.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe teams now have the option of treating it as 2 separate contracts or one?