Devers

[Dalas21000]

Ok so, I know nobody will probably agree with me but hasn't Devers' defense been kinda iffy to a point to consider looking for another 3rd baseman?I think if there was any chance on trading Devers and getting Beltre back I might do it....I know Beltre is aging but I think he can play defense...and still has a bat....And hit well in Boston...Nunez ain't bad but I think Beltre has always been a very solid all around player

[Dalas21000]

Oops nevermind ....I just realized that Beltre retired

[Dalas21000]

Oops nevermind ....I just realized that Beltre retired

 

Bring him back anyway lol

[S5Dewey]

And actually his defense looks better to me this year than in the past.

[Kimmi]

Bring him back anyway lol

 

What the heck.

 

Bring Varitek back!

[Kimmi]

And actually his defense looks better to me this year than in the past.

 

IMO, Devers was brought up too early. He could have used some extra time in the minors to work on his defense. Instead, he is having to hone his defensive skills while in the majors, which is more difficult to do. I think we'll see improvement this year.

[Jack Flap]

Oops nevermind ....I just realized that Beltre retired

 

Awkward.

[Spitball]

With Moreland and Pearce each signed only through this year, and highly regarded third base prospect Michael Chavis looking like the franchise's future at third, I can see Devers being moved to first.

[moonslav59]

With Moreland and Pearce each signed only through this year, and highly regarded third base prospect Michael Chavis looking like the franchise's future at third, I can see Devers being moved to first.

 

I'm not so sure Chavis is a better defender at 3B than Devers, but we should know by the end of 2019.

[Bellhorn04]

With Moreland and Pearce each signed only through this year, and highly regarded third base prospect Michael Chavis looking like the franchise's future at third, I can see Devers being moved to first.

 

Welcome back!

[Slasher9]

With Moreland and Pearce each signed only through this year, and highly regarded third base prospect Michael Chavis looking like the franchise's future at third, I can see Devers being moved to first.

 

definitely a possibility but i fully expect Chavis to be traded by DD at some point this season.

[notin]

definitely a possibility but i fully expect Chavis to be traded by DD at some point this season.

 

 

I’d be more in favor of trading Dalbec, but certainly moving Chavis is a possibility...

[mvp 78]

Ok so, I know nobody will probably agree with me but hasn't Devers' defense been kinda iffy to a point to consider looking for another 3rd baseman?I think if there was any chance on trading Devers and getting Beltre back I might do it....I know Beltre is aging but I think he can play defense...and still has a bat....And hit well in Boston...Nunez ain't bad but I think Beltre has always been a very solid all around player

 

His defense is fine and getting better.

[mvp 78]

With Moreland and Pearce each signed only through this year, and highly regarded third base prospect Michael Chavis looking like the franchise's future at third, I can see Devers being moved to first.

 

Chavis is terrible at 3b. He isn't going to play their much going forward.

[jacksonianmarch]

I honestly think that Devers is your 1b in 2020 and Chavis ends up either dealt for parts this season or is a candidate to play a CIF/COF utility/DH role after JD opts out. Chavis is not a good defender at all. Dalbec might end up as your 3b of the future from a defensive standpoint, but his swing and miss tendencies muddy his offensive projection. There is a good chance DD fills 3b with a veteran guy who can produce 1.5-2WAR but lock up the defense and cost very little. Right now, Devers being forced into the 3b slot is clearly a stall tactic due to personnel. That kid is so thick in the legs and slow on the first step that he will never be defensively average at 3b. DD is just waiting for the personnel to clear before he puts him where he belongs long term. This is a Miguel Cabrera deal all over again (albeit the kid hasn't shown Cabrera type offense, but few have).

[Slasher9]

geez...i hope we can make the playoffs with such a s***** defensive 3bman. oh wait...nevermind....

[notin]

For all the gripes about Devers’ defense, he was the Red Sox Minor League Defensive Player of the Year in 2017. He must have some skills...

[moonslav59]

Right now, Devers being forced into the 3b slot is clearly a stall tactic due to personnel. That kid is so thick in the legs and slow on the first step that he will never be defensively average at 3b.

 

Devers has been improving his defense, so nothing is being "forced."

 

IMO, his biggest strength is his first step and quick reflexes. I totally disagree with you on that area.

 

To me, his weakness is in his range, which for 3B is not much of an issue, except when running down pop-ups and foul balls. Fenway's small foul territory, especially down the 3B line in short RF may help hide that drawback.

 

Note: I've been a big worrier about his defense and have suggested a move to 1B might be best (like when I advocated us signing Moose), but I saw some major improvement on defense, particularly down the stretch. His UZR/150 went from -11.5 to -5.2. If he can get near zero, he will likely stay at 3B, and Chavis may play 1B next year.

 

[SCM33]

Devers is sloppy, but, he still looks like a skinnyfat 16 year old (a teenager that still has babyfat).

 

He is so young, he still has potential to develop defensive skills, and this is coming from someone who predicted hed make 40 errors last year.

 

His bat needs to significantly develop. He has the power of a lumberjack, but he need to start approaching his AB's better. His numbers could moonrocket once he has an understanding of the strike zone and game situations.

[Nick]

Hey, I guess we should have signed Machado. Bunch of whinny asses on this board.

 

Not enough that our payroll is $243M.

 

We want PROVEN all stars at each position.

[SCM33]

Hey, I guess we should have signed Machado. Bunch of whinny asses on this board.

 

Not enough that our payroll is $243M.

 

We want PROVEN all stars at each position.

 

Maybe you haven't read the whole thread? Or maybe you don't know how to quote individual posts?

 

I just said he has all world talent and that I hope he develops it.

[Bellhorn04]

This thread should have been deleted on the grounds of being too dumb.

[SCM33]

This thread should have been deleted on the grounds of being too dumb.

 

Well, replacing a super talented prospect with someone who retired is stupid, but we can pretend like Dallas didnt say that stuff and just talk about Devers cant we?

[Bellhorn04]

Well, replacing a super talented prospect with someone who retired is stupid, but we can pretend like Dallas didnt say that stuff and just talk about Devers cant we?

 

Well, see, you're all full of piss and vinegar because you haven't posted for a long time. I'm here every day and I get a little jaded, I guess.

[SCM33]

Well, see, you're all full of piss and vinegar because you haven't posted for a long time. I'm here every day and I get a little jaded, I guess.

 

I am never out of piss and vinegar. Ever. A Redsox fan forum doesn't determine that. Be stronger. Whenever I have been here, whether it was everyday 14 years ago, or my short spurts in between, I have always been who I am.

 

Be you Bellhorn, f*** the world

[Nick]

I am never out of piss and vinegar. Ever. A Redsox fan forum doesn't determine that. Be stronger. Whenever I have been here, whether it was everyday 14 years ago, or my short spurts in between, I have always been who I am.

 

Be you Bellhorn, f*** the world

 

We all share the love for our Red Sox. I've been a fan since July 19th, 1967.

 

There has to be some intrigue about the season.

 

No doubt Devers could have used more seasoning in the minors.

 

But it's all about choices. We can't have it all. Having $33M, $20M, $17M and $15M starting pitchers mean you have to cut corners elsewhere.

 

Had everything gone according to the plan, we would be contemplating whether or not to grant Pablo Sandoval the option year in 2020. Well that didn't work out.

 

For me, sometimes you just live with a 22 year old going through ups and downs. Devers came up with some big hits in the playoffs.

 

I wished we had the bullpen Yankees have, but you know, about the choices Sox made, regarding where to spend the money.

 

I'm enjoying the prospect of seeing someone such as Hernandez. Lakins and Feltman pitch for us in 2019. it's very possible they all fall flat on their faces.

 

We've discussed Devers' shortcomings as a defender all last year. I'm not sure what do about it. Cut him?

[Spitball]

Welcome back!

 

Thanks, Bell! I decided to take break for a while and then had trouble logging back in for several months. Apparently, I was using the wrong password.

[Spitball]

 

We've discussed Devers' shortcomings as a defender all last year. I'm not sure what do about it. Cut him?

 

 

Devers has a lot of potential as a hitter, so we know he won't be cut loose anytime soon. His defense, as well as Chavis's, is a work in progress. Unless there is a trade, I assume one will logically end up at first. While Chavis is probably the best trade chip in the organization, his drug suspension takes some luster off his value. With the farm so depleted at this point, I assume Dombrowski will not trade Chavis until his value has been restored.

[moonslav59]

It's hard to say what value Chavis has right now, and if it will increase with a big season or half season in AAA.

 

We could really use a cheap 1Bman next year, which will help us keep a stud, but we can also use a solid RP'er now.

 

[notin]

It's hard to say what value Chavis has right now, and if it will increase with a big season or half season in AAA.

 

We could really use a cheap 1Bman next year, which will help us keep a stud, but we can also use a solid RP'er now.

 

 

The Sox do have an abundance of young, cheap corner infielders either in or on the cusp of MLB in Devers, Chavis and Dalbec. They only need two.

 

Devers isn’t likely going anywhere, which means either Chavis or Dalbec should be available. Chavis is the hitter with weak defensive skills. Dalbec is the better defender but is likely to turn into the second coming of Russ Branyan at the plate.

 

Of the two, I prefer moving Dalbec. While he’s most capable of the three to handle third base, it’s not like he’s Brooks Robinson over there. I think the Sox can take the chance that Devers will improve. Dalbec also doesn’t have Chavis’ steroid stigma. And his RHH power plays into the needs of several teams...

Edited March 12, 2019 by notin