What would a Betts extension be?

[Bellhorn04]

They haven't ANNOUNCED THE CLOSER YET? What the hell kind of dysfunctional zoo is this anyway?

[notin]

They haven't ANNOUNCED THE CLOSER YET? What the hell kind of dysfunctional zoo is this anyway?

 

 

There’s a lot of high profile secrecy involved here. If news of the identity of the Sox closer was leaked, it could compromise the entire season.

 

Sssshhh....

[jacksonianmarch]

They’ll start with a committee and someone will stand out or they’ll make a move to add someone. With the Sox offense and starters, they’ll have a large amount of leads to protect and with the middle relief being suspect, those leads will likely be small (ie lots of save chances). Brasier and Barnes will each get their shot

[Kimmi]

Did you read all his posts?

 

I did. He's a little over top with some of his statements, but his overall point is spot on.

 

We should not sign Mookie for that kind of insane contract. We could put the money to better use by spreading it around to multiple players on shorter deals.

[Kimmi]

I don't understand the thinking that he's all about the money because he hasn't signed an extension yet. Any comments of his I've read just seemed level-headed to me.

 

It might be very level headed, but he is also in it to make the most money.

[Bellhorn04]

It might be very level headed, but he is also in it to make the most money.

 

How do you know this?

 

What offers have they made him that he's turned down?

 

It seems like unfounded supposition and speculation to me.

[notin]

How do you know this?

 

It seems like unfounded supposition and speculation to me.

 

 

He has an agent. Players don’t hire agents to take discounts.

 

He’s a second year arb player making $20mill. He didn’t get that salary because money was not important to him...

[Bellhorn04]

He has an agent. Players don’t hire agents to take discounts.

 

He’s a second year arb player making $20mill. He didn’t get that salary because money was not important to him...

 

I'm not suggesting for a moment that money isn't important to him. I think it's important to most players. Most players have agents. Most shouldn't even consider not having agents.

 

I'm just saying we have no idea if he's totally opposed to an extension, what the Sox have ever offered or any of it.

 

Bogaerts and Bradley haven't signed extensions yet either. Does that mean that all 3 of them are only about the money?

[Kimmi]

How do you know this?

 

What offers have they made him that he's turned down?

 

It seems like unfounded supposition and speculation to me.

 

The same way that you know Mookie is just being level headed and that he's not all about the money.

[mvp 78]

It might be very level headed, but he is also in it to make the most money.

 

I hope he makes as much money as he possibly can and I hope the Sox keep him around.

[notin]

I'm not suggesting for a moment that money isn't important to him. I think it's important to most players. Most players have agents. Most shouldn't even consider not having agents.

 

I'm just saying we have no idea if he's totally opposed to an extension, what the Sox have ever offered or any of it.

 

Bogaerts and Bradley haven't signed extensions yet either. Does that mean that all 3 of them are only about the money?

 

 

As they have agents, agents themselves are largely concerned with money. It’s their primary focus.

 

Therefore it is safe to assume the advice coming from the agents is geared to maximizing the amount of money the player can get back. Players hire agents for their financial advice, among other things. While some go against it for whatever reason, most do not...

[jacksonianmarch]

Bogaerts has said from the beginning that he’s going year to year and he will test FA, so in essence he has already said that. Betts has said practically nothing and toed the line as a good soldier on the field. The thing we all need to realize with Betts is that he has all the leverage. There’s almost no point to an extension now. Might as well see what the open market gives him. He’s got $30 mil in the bank with a guarantee of $16 mil more next year with a strong likelihood of earning far more than that with another great season. The days of him signing a team friendly extension we’re gone once he got $10 mil in his first arb season.

[Bellhorn04]

As they have agents, agents themselves are largely concerned with money. It’s their primary focus.

 

Therefore it is safe to assume the advice coming from the agents is geared to maximizing the amount of money the player can get back. Players hire agents for their financial advice, among other things. While some go against it for whatever reason, most do not...

 

Every player is concerned with money whether they have agents or not.

 

David Robertson chose to go without an agent. I don't think it was because he wasn't concerned with money.

 

Find me one professional athlete who is completely unconcerned with money. It's just a laughable notion.

[notin]

Every player is concerned with money whether they have agents or not.

 

David Robertson chose to go without an agent. I don't think it was because he wasn't concerned with money.

 

Find me one professional athlete who is completely unconcernedh with money. It's just a laughable notion.

 

That’s my point. They’re absolutely concerned. Especially since they know it all stops coming in at a relatively young age.

 

I think the most laughable notion is when fans criticize a player who signs a big deal with a bad team. “He’ll never win anything there!!” While I’m sure they all want to win titles, do you think any athletes prioritize title chances during contract negotiations? This is their livelihood...

[Bellhorn04]

The days of him signing a team friendly extension we’re gone once he got $10 mil in his first arb season.

 

The chances of him signing an extension are still there, though it might not be at a much of a discount.

 

Mookie is in great shape as you say, but there is still a risk of large financial loss at his end.

[Kimmi]

I hope he makes as much money as he possibly can and I hope the Sox keep him around.

 

As I've said, he is entitled to go for as much money as he possibly can. I don't like it, but that's his right.

 

I would like nothing more than for Mookie to be a lifelong Red Sox, and I will be happy if the Sox keep him, but if it's up to me, I'm not paying him that kind of money.

[Kimmi]

Every player is concerned with money whether they have agents or not.

 

David Robertson chose to go without an agent. I don't think it was because he wasn't concerned with money.

 

Find me one professional athlete who is completely unconcerned with money. It's just a laughable notion.

 

Every player is concerned with money, but not every player is concerned with getting the most money at the expense of other considerations.

 

I am concerned with getting the most money I can possibly get, but I'm not uprooting my family to do so.

[Nick]

As I've said, he is entitled to go for as much money as he possibly can. I don't like it, but that's his right.

 

I would like nothing more than for Mookie to be a lifelong Red Sox, and I will be happy if the Sox keep him, but if it's up to me, I'm not paying him that kind of money.

 

My approach would be to maximize Mookie's presence on the roster for next two years.

 

I'm concerned about what Boras will demand on behalf of Xander.

 

I'm interested in watching some of our younger players develop.

 

Chavis, Dalbec and Chatam.

 

Hernandez, Feltman, Shawaryn and Lakin.

[SCM33]

They haven't ANNOUNCED THE CLOSER YET? What the hell kind of dysfunctional zoo is this anyway?

 

There’s a lot of high profile secrecy involved here. If news of the identity of the Sox closer was leaked, it could compromise the entire season.

 

Sssshhh....

 

Joke as you like. If I recall though, how did 2003 work out for us? Oh yeah!!!! Thats right, a closer short of (most likely) a World Series title.

[Bellhorn04]

Every player is concerned with money, but not every player is concerned with getting the most money at the expense of other considerations.

 

I am concerned with getting the most money I can possibly get, but I'm not uprooting my family to do so.

 

But it's the life of a professional ballplayer to be uprooted. They get drafted. They get traded. Free agency is their one chance to have any control over their destiny.

[Bellhorn04]

Joke as you like. If I recall though, how did 2003 work out for us? Oh yeah!!!! Thats right, a closer short of (most likely) a World Series title.

 

I have used that 2003 argument myself, actually. But it was pointed out to me that our bullpen was actually great in the 2003 postseason. Grady just screwed up.

[S5Dewey]

But it's the life of a professional ballplayer to be uprooted. They get drafted. They get traded. Free agency is their one chance to have any control over their destiny.

 

I can't have any sympathy for a player who will probably make $20M+/year and is probably looking for more.

I also can't have any sympathy for a team owner who can afford to pay that to one player.

 

Since I have no sympathy for either of them I as fan just hope there is a way that can be worked out for him to stay because from this fan's POV it's a pleasure to watch him.

[SCM33]

I have used that 2003 argument myself, actually. But it was pointed out to me that our bullpen was actually great in the 2003 postseason. Grady just screwed up.

 

Easy to blame him. How much easier is the decision if he had a closer? Does Pedro fight the decision if he trusts the guy following him? We don't know, but, we do know they didn't have a true closer.......regardless, weve gone off topic, this thread is about Betts. We can agree to disagree.

[notin]

Easy to blame him. How much easier is the decision if he had a closer? Does Pedro fight the decision if he trusts the guy following him? We don't know, but, we do know they didn't have a true closer.......regardless, weve gone off topic, this thread is about Betts. We can agree to disagree.

 

 

Does it matter if Pedro fights the decision? It’s not his call on any level.

 

Really what was probably a bigger factor was that the bullpen was largely ineffective for 6 months and that kind of lost trust isn’t completely rebuilt after two good weeks...

[notin]

Joke as you like. If I recall though, how did 2003 work out for us? Oh yeah!!!! Thats right, a closer short of (most likely) a World Series title.

 

We did have Byung-Hyun Kim, who did hold down the closer role was he was acquired. That he was left off the ALCS roster after one really questionable inning in Oakland seemed like an unwise move. But even then, Mike Timlin was having the most unhittable streak of his life that October...

[mvp 78]

We did have Byung-Hyun Kim, who did hold down the closer role was he was acquired. That he was left off the ALCS roster after one really questionable inning in Oakland seemed like an unwise move. But even then, Mike Timlin was having the most unhittable streak of his life that October...

 

When Kim was acquired, he was used as a starter for the first month. He didn't earn a save until his second month there.

[jacksonianmarch]

As I've said, he is entitled to go for as much money as he possibly can. I don't like it, but that's his right.

 

I would like nothing more than for Mookie to be a lifelong Red Sox, and I will be happy if the Sox keep him, but if it's up to me, I'm not paying him that kind of money.

 

He is going to get that from someone. I wonder if the sox offer is close if Mookie sees the draw of being a one franchise player. That being said, if he is top 10 in MVP the next 2 years, he is going to get a $35 mil AAV offer from someone and he would be a fool to lose $10 mil AAV to stay in Boston

[notin]

When Kim was acquired, he was used as a starter for the first month. He didn't earn a save until his second month there.

 

And once he started closing, he was actually dominant in that role. From July 1 until the end of the year, he had a 2.28ERA and a .508 OPS against. He posted a 0.00 ERA in September yet still wasn’t closing postseason games...

[mvp 78]

And once he started closing, he was actually dominant in that role. From July 1 until the end of the year, he had a 2.28ERA and a .508 OPS against. He posted a 0.00 ERA in September yet still wasn’t closing postseason games...

 

He came in to close game 1 and blew it. The rest as they say is history pal. See below from wikipedia.

 

Kim was pulled in the bottom of the ninth inning with two outs in his only ALDS appearance in Game 1 against the Oakland Athletics. During the lineup announcement in Game 3 at Fenway Park, Red Sox fans intensely booed him. Thinking that he did not deserve the booing after he pitched despite being in pain to advance the Red Sox to the postseason, Kim gave them the middle finger, but later issued an apology. Because of shoulder stiffness, Kim was left off the ALCS roster.

[notin]

That ALDS outing merely being summed up as a blown save was a bit unfair. He did have a walk and an HBP, the latter coming after nearly striking out Chris Singleton, an extremely tough strikeout. He then did strikeout Mark Ellis, also one of the toughest to fan in the AL. But then he was lifted so Alan Embree could give up the tying hit...