Francisco Cervelli

[moonslav59]

I would agree that Allen is a possibility, presumably a bit cheaper and a bounce-back candidate.

 

Allen may even take a 1 year deal to try and reset his value.

 

I'm not so hung up on most recent year numbers. They do matter, but he was pretty good for a while.

 

Here are some numbers:

 

6 straight seasons with 10.7K/9 or better.

 

His 4.4 BB/9 was a full walk over his next worst season (and better than Kimbrel's in 2018.)

 

His 1.36 WHIP was horrible, but it was under 1.17 in the previous 4 seasons.

 

His ERA has been under 2.99 in 5 of his last 6 seasons.

 

He looks like a good bounce back gamble.

 

Also, I only want Allen, if we also sign another solid RP'er. It's my get 2 instead of 1 option/plan B.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Allen may even take a 1 year deal to try and reset his value.

 

I'm not so hung up on most recent year numbers. They do matter, but he was pretty good for a while.

 

Here are some numbers:

 

6 straight seasons with 10.7K/9 or better.

 

His 4.4 BB/9 was a full walk over his next worst season (and better than Kimbrel's in 2018.)

 

His 1.36 WHIP was horrible, but it was under 1.17 in the previous 4 seasons.

 

His ERA has been under 2.99 in 5 of his last 6 seasons.

 

He looks like a good bounce back gamble.

 

Also, I only want Allen, if we also sign another solid RP'er. It's my get 2 instead of 1 option/plan B.

 

 

I agree on all that.

[harmony]

The Red Sox missed out on another Venezuelan catcher, switch-hitting Jose Lobaton, who this week signed a minor league contract with the Seattle Mariners:

 

 

:)

[FredLynn]

The Red Sox missed out on another Venezuelan catcher, switch-hitting Jose Lobaton, who this week signed a minor league contract with the Seattle Mariners:

 

 

:)

 

Horrible news. That will make the Mariners instant World Series favorites.

[Spudboy]

I can’t stand that guy.

 

Lol.

 

Yeah he has been tainted by his association with the skanks.

[Spudboy]

I would prefer to keep our tandem of Vaz and Leon, and use the money saved on pitching. Our position players and line up are fine.

 

Certainly. What Bell said is very true.

 

Now with Evo back in the fold I say go get two relievers (one a closer), sign some minor league depth for any position especially catcher and pitcher.

 

Done deal.

[Spudboy]

I agree. They're a very affordable tandem, and they seem to get the job done. You don't need premium talent at every position.

 

Exactly.

 

Plus you just should not fix what ain't broke.

[dgalehouse]

Allen may even take a 1 year deal to try and reset his value.

 

I'm not so hung up on most recent year numbers. They do matter, but he was pretty good for a while.

 

Here are some numbers:

 

6 straight seasons with 10.7K/9 or better.

 

His 4.4 BB/9 was a full walk over his next worst season (and better than Kimbrel's in 2018.)

 

His 1.36 WHIP was horrible, but it was under 1.17 in the previous 4 seasons.

 

His ERA has been under 2.99 in 5 of his last 6 seasons.

 

He looks like a good bounce back gamble.

 

Also, I only want Allen, if we also sign another solid RP'er. It's my get 2 instead of 1 option/plan B.

 

A lot of cherry picking there. You are not so hung up on recent year numbers ? Well , except for when you are . Pass on Cody Allen.

[Fisk]

A lot of cherry picking there. You are not so hung up on recent year numbers ? Well , except for when you are . Pass on Cody Allen.

 

100% agreed

[moonslav59]

A lot of cherry picking there. You are not so hung up on recent year numbers ? Well , except for when you are . Pass on Cody Allen.

 

My history has always been about needing larger sample sizes. I don't even think a full season is a large enough sample size to make any definitive judgments.

 

Yes, I do post last 30 days OPS numbers to try and show who is hot and who is not, but I never make judgments based on sample sizes many feel are large enough to do so.

 

Look, I know Allen is a risk. There is a good chance his 2018 numbers are an accurate portrayal of where he is headed. I get it; really, I do. The only reason I mention him is that I think we need to look for short term contracts with high upside. He might take a one year deal. He might end up being the pitcher he was for 5 whole years instead of the one he was just this one year.

 

How am I cherry-picking? I'm not counting his partial rookie season. He's been close to great or very good for 5 straight years before 2018. There is no hidden agenda or sample size manipulation here. Okay, on one stat I used his previous 4 years not 5 as with the other ones. If that's cherry-picking, then I'm guilty as charged.

 

[moonslav59]

Nobody here thinks Cody Allen is a better closer than Kimbrel, Ottavino or Familia, including me.

 

If our current budget and future budget are not a concern to Henry, then I admit my whole approach is wrong and to hell with Allen.

 

I do think the budget matters. With that in mind, my first choice is Ottavino with Familia not far behind. Even those choices might be too much for our future budget. If the cost is too high for DD and Henry on getting a top close, then what are our other options?

 

1) Trade for a closer? (With what?)

 

2) Look for high upside cheaper options?

 

3) Maybe sign 2 guys to shorter term, less (financially) risky deals, instead of one?

 

TRy this, assume DD is told not to sign a closer for more than 1 or 2 years, and that means no Kimbrel, Ottavino, A Miller, Britton or Familia, what's your suggestions?

[Bellhorn04]

A lot of cherry picking there. You are not so hung up on recent year numbers ? Well , except for when you are . Pass on Cody Allen.

 

I really didn't think this was cherry picking. Allen has a career ERA of 2.98. He's had one bad season, last season.

 

The question is what happened to him in 2018. That's what you need your scouts and analytics guys to figure out.

 

Allen wouldn't be anybody's first choice. But if you can get him for a decent price he's worth looking into at least.

[notin]

Allen isn’t anyone’s first choice, but that doesn’t make him a bad choice.

 

DD has been trading for closers and closing types (Tyler Thornburg, Carson Smith) from smaller market teams since he arrived in Boston. I wouldn’t be surprised if that trend were to continue

[moonslav59]

Allen isn’t anyone’s first choice, but that doesn’t make him a bad choice.

 

DD has been trading for closers and closing types (Tyler Thornburg, Carson Smith) from smaller market teams since he arrived in Boston. I wouldn’t be surprised if that trend were to continue

 

Let's hope he does better than those two.

 

Any targets you have in mind?

 

[Kimmi]

Certainly. What Bell said is very true.

 

Now with Evo back in the fold I say go get two relievers (one a closer), sign some minor league depth for any position especially catcher and pitcher.

 

Done deal.

 

Completely agree.

[Emp9]

They won 108 games with 3 catchers on the roster, maybe they can win 120 games with 4 catchers on the roster.

 

Ha!

[Emp9]

I share your deep concerns, and it was actually a much smaller sample size with him playing "out of his mind."

 

He wasn't bad, by any means, before the playoffs, but out of 12 games with us, he had 5 so-so to bad outings

 

2.2 IP 10H 4 ER 2 BB (4 unearned runs)

 

5.1 IP 10H 4 ER 1 BB

 

4.0 IP 8H 5 ER 0 BB

 

2.0 IP 3H 3 ER 0BB

 

3.2 IP 3H 2 ER 2 BB

 

The hope is, he gets consistent and durable- something he's never been. That's a big risk, but it feels good having him back for 2019.

 

 

He’s still under 30 yrs of age Moon.

 

...Wait, is that even relevant anymore? It feels so 2012(?) to say that.

[Emp9]

Let's hope he does better than those two.

 

Any targets you have in mind?

 

 

What’s the latest word on A. Miller?

[oldtimer]

Ha!

 

Maybe they would have won 120 games with 2 catchers on the roster? What I notice is we still have only 4 outfielders on the 40 man. Is that enough or do we feel that Lin, Holt and Swihart are adequate backup?

[Emp9]

Maybe they would have won 120 games with 2 catchers on the roster? What I notice is we still have only 4 outfielders on the 40 man. Is that enough or do we feel that Lin, Holt and Swihart are adequate backup?

 

I think Swihart is. But I’m not that worried about our OF depth. Are you? We can always make a low key trade for an OF if need be.

[OH FOY]

Sox were 63-26 when Leon caught, and 51-29 when Vazquez caught. Don't need anybody. If its not broke..... How much money was spent on all those wins. SQUAT!

You bring in another clown, from another team, got to learn everything all over again. Do the Pitchers like the way he calls a game? Loses team chemistry, these are the kind of stupid moves, dumb teams make. Leave it ALONE!

Edited December 9, 2018 by OH FOY!

[oldtimer]

I think Swihart is. But I’m not that worried about our OF depth. Are you? We can always make a low key trade for an OF if need be.

 

Swihart is probably gone and to have no real outfield depth on the 40 man doesn't make sense. Say Betts, JBJ or Beni got hurt. Is that the time to trade for another outfielder. I would rather have depth in the system. Hate to rely o JDM as a regular outfielder.

[notin]

Let's hope he does better than those two.

 

Any targets you have in mind?

 

 

Plenty and I’ve named a few.

 

But I predict Dombrowski makes an attempt to acquire Felipe Vasquez from the Pirates. Can he pull it off? That’s another matter...

[moonslav59]

Maybe they would have won 120 games with 2 catchers on the roster? What I notice is we still have only 4 outfielders on the 40 man. Is that enough or do we feel that Lin, Holt and Swihart are adequate backup?

 

Pearce, Moreland, Travis and Nunez can play OF, too.

[moonslav59]

What’s the latest word on A. Miller?

 

Maybe too expensive.

 

Maybe too many years.

 

Maybe to much of an injury risk.

[moonslav59]

Swihart is probably gone and to have no real outfield depth on the 40 man doesn't make sense. Say Betts, JBJ or Beni got hurt. Is that the time to trade for another outfielder. I would rather have depth in the system. Hate to rely o JDM as a regular outfielder.

 

OF'ers are easy to pick up mid season.

[Fisk]

OF'ers are easy to pick up mid season.

 

We also have Lin, Holt, Nunez and Pearce who can play out there, and I’m going to guess they introduce Chavis to it this year.

[moonslav59]

We also have Lin, Holt, Nunez and Pearce who can play out there, and I’m going to guess they introduce Chavis to it this year.

 

Betts

JBJ

Beni

JD

Hotl

Nunez

Pearce

Swihart

Moreland

Lin

Travis

[Fisk]

Betts

JBJ

Beni

JD

Hotl

Nunez

Pearce

Swihart

Moreland

Lin

Travis

 

Yeah we look set forgot about Travis

[moonslav59]

Yeah we look set forgot about Travis

 

I think Travis gets DFA'd upon our next signing.