A Realistic View at 2019: Part I

[BillyWilliams]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/26355814/why-boston-chris-sale-extension-was-mistake

[BillyWilliams]

Well, Jalen Beeks got us Eovaldi.

 

Santiago Espinal got us Pearce.

 

Saun Anderson & Gregory Santos got us Nunez.

 

Stephen Nogosek, Gerson Bautista and Jamie Callahann got us Addison Reed.

 

Are you saying we don't have farm hands like these to trade this summer?

 

 

No, I didn't say that, was just curious as to the poster's thoughts.........

[moonslav59]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/26355814/why-boston-chris-sale-extension-was-mistake

 

More evidence that this guy is a clown.

[BillyWilliams]

More evidence that this guy is a clown.

 

Well, it does remain to be seen who is correct.

[Slasher9]

Buster olney is a known Yankees f***.

He gives judge foot massages.

Who gives a f*** what he says

[moonslav59]

Well, it does remain to be seen who is correct.

 

You know damn well, if the Yanks signed Sale to this great deal, you'd be pumped up.

 

Many felt he was worth $33-35M x 5 years

[Larry Cook]

and who do you think the trade chip is in an "impact" deal?

 

tbd.

[BillyWilliams]

You know damn well, if the Yanks signed Sale to this great deal, you'd be pumped up.

 

Many felt he was worth $33-35M x 5 years

 

As I said, it remains to be seen.......

[moonslav59]

As I said, it remains to be seen.......

 

Of course, but I'd say the consensus opinion before "hindsight" was that it was an underpay and for less years than open market expectations.

 

Do you disagree with that assessment?

 

Would you be happy, if the Yanks got him on those terms?

[BillyWilliams]

Of course, but I'd say the consensus opinion before "hindsight" was that it was an underpay and for less years than open market expectations.

 

Do you disagree with that assessment?

 

Would you be happy, if the Yanks got him on those terms?

 

I think de Grom just signed for less, no?

[notin]

I think de Grom just signed for less, no?

 

deGrom is also older and had more arm issues...

[harmony]

deGrom is also older and had more arm issues...

Jacob deGrom, who is nine months older than Chris Sale, has 892.2 MLB innings on his arm while Sale has 1,482.1 MLB innings on his arm.

 

DeGrom has tossed 418.2 innings over the past two seasons while Sale has thrown 372.1 innings.

 

The 2018 fWAR rankings:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=90&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=

 

... and over the past five seasons:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=90&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=

Edited March 26, 2019 by harmony

[Slasher9]

deGrom is also older and had more arm issues...

 

it's not really a comparison. deGrom wasnt scheduled to hit FA until 2021. he is buying the last 2 arb years for security.

[BillyWilliams]

deGrom is also older and had more arm issues...

 

He's not even a year older and what exactly are the "more arm issues" aside from the TJS?

[notin]

He's not even a year older and what exactly are the "more arm issues" aside from the TJS?

 

TJ isn’t enough?

[moonslav59]

I think de Grom just signed for less, no?

 

You never answer my questions.

[moonslav59]

it's not really a comparison. deGrom wasnt scheduled to hit FA until 2021. he is buying the last 2 arb years for security.

 

Which makes a huge difference.

 

He'll make $40M over the next 2 years (would have been arb years of $17M + $23M).

 

He then makes $33.5M for 2 years before opt out chance. Then, $30.5M and $32.5M after the opt out and counting the option year.

 

That's more than Sale gets,

[BillyWilliams]

TJ isn’t enough?

 

Well, wouldn't that be a singular arm issue rather than plural arm issues?

 

And I think I may be more concerned with a shoulder issue than someone who has had a successful TJS.......

[BillyWilliams]

You never answer my questions.

 

You stated it was an underpay, I showed a similar aged pitcher who just signed for less.

 

And yes, you're happy when it works out, not so much when it doesn't.

[oldtimer]

So with Pearce and Pedroia starting the season on the DL, we will go with 12 field players with Travis, Holt and Nunez filling in and 13 pitchers. Not getting either Pearce or Pedroia back during the first 10 days of the season.

[notin]

Well, wouldn't that be a singular arm issue rather than plural arm issues?

 

And I think I may be more concerned with a shoulder issue than someone who has had a successful TJS.......

 

 

Even successful TJS have an expectancy of 600 innings. It’s a big deal...

[moonslav59]

You stated it was an underpay, I showed a similar aged pitcher who just signed for less.

 

And yes, you're happy when it works out, not so much when it doesn't.

 

You keep talking hindsight.

 

I'll ask again, would you be happy, right now, if the yanks had just signed Sale to the same contract he just signed with the Sox?

[moonslav59]

You stated it was an underpay, I showed a similar aged pitcher who just signed for less.

 

It wasn't less, if you don't count arb years.

[notin]

You stated it was an underpay, I showed a similar aged pitcher who just signed for less.

 

And yes, you're happy when it works out, not so much when it doesn't.

 

That “similar pitcher” has been worth 17 fewer WAR in 2 fewer seasons...

[moonslav59]

It's hopeless trying to debate.

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com projects this opening day roster;

 

Rotation

LH Chris Sale

RH Nathan Eovaldi

RH Rick Porcello

LH David Price

LH Eduardo Rodriguez

LH Brian Johnson

 

Bullpen

RH Matt Barnes

RH Ryan Brasier

RH Heath Hembree

RH Brandon Workman

RH Tyler Thornburg

RH Hector Velazquez

RH Colten Brewer

 

Lineup

C Christian Vazquez

1B Mitch Moreland

2B Brock Holt

3B Rafael Devers

SS Xander Bogaerts

LF Andrew Benintendi

CF Jackie Bradley

RF Mookie Betts

DH JD Martinez

 

Bench

C Blake Swihart

1B Sam Travis

IF Eduardo Nunez

 

IL: Pedey, Pearce & M Hernandez

 

[oldtimer]

Hope the regulars start hitting and the pitchers get back in the groove. The season is uponn us.

[Nick]

Cora said Price is available out of the bullpen in the first two games in Seattle.

 

Price will pitch the fifth game. I thought this was interesting.

[Bellhorn04]

it's hopeless trying to debate with a troll.

 

ftfy

[Bellhorn04]

Cora said Price is available out of the bullpen in the first two games in Seattle.

 

Price will pitch the fifth game. I thought this was interesting.

 

Cora is a madman. Get ready for an interesting season.