Where does Ian Kinsler rank in Red Sox infamy?

[jacksonianmarch]

Ian who?

[Dojji]

Kinsler - He gets his ring, but he's in the rear view mirror!

 

He was never in the long term plans to begin with. He was a mercenary, there to fill a hole until Pedey got healthy.

[dgalehouse]

Ian Kinsler is a disgrace to Red Sox Nation. He should not have been allowed to participate in the parade. He should not get a ring. His image should be cropped out of the team photo. He should have been made to pay his own way home from L.A. This will serve as a warning to anyone who even thinks about committing an error at the wrong time in the future.

[Slasher9]

Ian Kinsler is a disgrace to Red Sox Nation. He should not have been allowed to participate in the parade. He should not get a ring. His image should be cropped out of the team photo. He should have been made to pay his own way home from L.A. This will serve as a warning to anyone who even thinks about committing an error at the wrong time in the future.

 

That’s kind of harsh. I could see if that ended up being the decisive turning point in losing the World Series but in the end we won.

[S5Dewey]

That’s kind of harsh. I could see if that ended up being the decisive turning point in losing the World Series but in the end we won.

 

One problem with online posting is that sometimes it's difficult to distinguish the sarcasm from the real opinions.

[notin]

Ian Kinsler is a disgrace to Red Sox Nation. He should not have been allowed to participate in the parade. He should not get a ring. His image should be cropped out of the team photo. He should have been made to pay his own way home from L.A. This will serve as a warning to anyone who even thinks about committing an error at the wrong time in the future.

 

This, for example, is sarcasm.

 

And well done sarcasm. It felt authentic at the beginning, but it built nicely and the completely laughable last line clinched it...

 

Well done, dgalehouse. Take a bow...

Edited November 3, 2018 by notin

[fxkatt]

I've always liked Ian Kinsler and still do. His decision to throw to first did bother me, but it really looked like that hit was going to be an untouched single anyway. To me there was no comparison between this and the Buckner error. This was a well hit ball that but for the positioning had single written all over it.

[Jasonbay44]

I'm just glad that the error ending up not meaning anything and soon enough wont even be remembered, because I actually do like Kinsler and did like the move of acquiring him. He just really under-performed here, and that error happened in one of the most frustrating Sox games I've ever watched.

[cp176]

One problem with online posting is that sometimes it's difficult to distinguish the sarcasm from the real opinions.

 

 

Nice - Thanks for not trying to give us a lesson as to what sarcasm is and how to realize it when you read it as well. (wink wink)

[OH FOY]

I'm not paying 11 million dollars to a 36 year old 2nd Baseman for his Defense. He'll be 37 next June. He'll be available next July, the ways he's trending, if you need him again for the stretch run.

The thing about Kinsler Trade, is Trading away Ty Buttrey, going to bite you in the ass.

Edited November 3, 2018 by OH FOY!

[S5Dewey]

nice - thanks for not trying to give us a lesson as to what sarcasm is and how to realize it when you read it as well. (wink wink)

 

:-))

[cp176]

I'm not paying 11 million dollars to a 36 year old 2nd Baseman for his Defense. He'll be 37 next June. He'll be available next July, the ways he's trending, if you need him again for the stretch run.

The thing about Kinsler Trade, is Trading away Ty Buttrey, going to bite you in the ass.

 

I wouldn't pay him that either but with that in mind, the way i got it figured the Sox payroll this year includes roughly 70 million+ paid out to guys who didn't help at all. With that in mind, why waste 9 a year for an aging Miller (33)? I know that you likely would be opposed to a Miller signing as well. My point is, if that amount of money can be spent on 0 production, how do any of us have any idea what JH will spend even with all of the talk about caps and luxury taxes blah blah blah. I would sooner sign Kimbrel for twice as much as opposed to signing someone for 9 who is probably over the hill.

[notin]

I'm not paying 11 million dollars to a 36 year old 2nd Baseman for his Defense. He'll be 37 next June. He'll be available next July, the ways he's trending, if you need him again for the stretch run.

The thing about Kinsler Trade, is Trading away Ty Buttrey, going to bite you in the ass.

 

 

 

I doubt we miss Buttrey all that much. Hr's the type of fringe talent found in every orgnization...

[Kimmi]

Kinsler was a very nice midseason pick up for the Sox. If you were to go back and read the comments when Kinsler was first acquired, if I recall correctly, they were pretty positive comments. Most people really liked the move.

 

Kinsler was not going to be the game changer. Then again, neither were Pearce or Eovaldi, and they ended up being pretty significant. But the point is that we needed a guy like Kinsler at 2B to shore up the defense and to give us some needed depth at that position.

 

It was a good move indirect benefits regardless of what Kinsler directly contributed on the field.

[Bellhorn04]

Kinsler also had a respectable ALDS against the Yanks with the bat, including a key RBI in Game 4.

[notin]

And they won. Sorry he was influential in your decision to surrender 2 hours of sleep. But he didn’t cost the Sox anything. Not at the trade deadline and not in October...

[dgalehouse]

This, for example, is sarcasm.

 

And well done sarcasm. It felt authentic at the beginning, but it built nicely and the completely laughable last line clinched it...

 

Well done, dgalehouse. Take a bow...

Thanks.

[Kimmi]

Kinsler also had a respectable ALDS against the Yanks with the bat, including a key RBI in Game 4.

 

Indeed.

[Behindenemylines]

I'm not paying 11 million dollars to a 36 year old 2nd Baseman for his Defense. He'll be 37 next June. He'll be available next July, the ways he's trending, if you need him again for the stretch run.

The thing about Kinsler Trade, is Trading away Ty Buttrey, going to bite you in the ass.

 

Sox win the series so he doesn't become Buckner, but if the Dodgers came back and won the series that would have changed. Kinsler looked lost at the plate and it was his D that the Sox gave up Buttrey (power arm out of the pen). So the play looks that much worse.

[Northern Star]

Before or after winning the Gold Glove?

[Dojji]

Sox win the series so he doesn't become Buckner, but if the Dodgers came back and won the series that would have changed. Kinsler looked lost at the plate and it was his D that the Sox gave up Buttrey (power arm out of the pen). So the play looks that much worse.

Nah. Seriously, if the Red Sox had lost the series, it would have been because of mistakes or events far more significant than Kinsler's error, and those guys would be the goats. That single error meant practically nothing no matter how you look at it. Especially because the Red Sox had at least two full trips through the lineup to try to win that game after the error

[notin]

Nah. Seriously, if the Red Sox had lost the series, it would have been because of mistakes or events far more significant than Kinsler's error, and those guys would be the goats. That single error meant practically nothing no matter how you look at it. Especially because the Red Sox had at least two full trips through the lineup to try to win that game after the error

 

Everything you said about Kinsler, while true, could also be said about Buckner. Yet here we are with a thread about Buckner 32 years later...

[Bellhorn04]

Everything you said about Kinsler, while true, could also be said about Buckner. Yet here we are with a thread about Buckner 32 years later...

 

The gods have spared Kinsler. They did not spare Buckner.

[cp176]

The gods have spared Kinsler. They did not spare Buckner.

 

So true and so sad - Buckner's line over 20 + years of professional baseball looks pretty darn good and unfortunately the only thing some remember him for is that one play.

[notin]

The gods have spared Kinsler. They did not spare Buckner.

 

Yes and the difference is winning. But that the Buckner error exists in infamy decades later despite the reality of it - most prominently that the Sox has already blown a 2 run lead and the game was tied - just shows how important that aspect is.

 

 

The biggest beneficiary of Buckner’s error is probably Rich Gedman, whose passed ball earlier in that at bat was far more significant. Do you suppose Gedman is out trolling the internet keeping the Buckner legend alive?

[Bellhorn04]

The biggest beneficiary of Buckner’s error is probably Rich Gedman, whose passed ball earlier in that at bat was far more significant. Do you suppose Gedman is out trolling the internet keeping the Buckner legend alive?

 

Gedman doesn't have to do anything. A lot of people are just stupid.

[Slasher9]

there was a game 7 too....but it's just very easy to blame the guy that the sports clips shows over and over again bumbling that grounder. Ian is lucky this Sox team isn't our grandfathers team....that said..the posters on here that stated the kid shouldnt have been allowed to participate in the parade is a bit over the top.

but if we end up losing this WS kinsler would 100% go down as the 21st century Buckner in Red Sox lore....

[notin]

The current fans vilify Buckner and Kinsler, but the one guy forgotten in all this is Johnny Pesky in 1946. I never saw that play, but the story told sounds like he never even tried to throw out Slaughter. At least Buckner and Kinsler tried to make plays

[Bellhorn04]

The current fans vilify Buckner and Kinsler, but the one guy forgotten in all this is Johnny Pesky in 1946. I never saw that play, but the story told sounds like he never even tried to throw out Slaughter. At least Buckner and Kinsler tried to make plays

 

Pesky isn't forgotten either. 'Pesky held the ball' is still one of the 2 best known facts about the '46 Series, 72 years later...the other being Ted Williams's weak numbers.

 

Fans just don't forget those types of failures that can be directly tied to losing a championship. It's brutal but inescapable.

[cp176]

The current fans vilify Buckner and Kinsler, but the one guy forgotten in all this is Johnny Pesky in 1946. I never saw that play, but the story told sounds like he never even tried to throw out Slaughter. At least Buckner and Kinsler tried to make plays

 

I did not see the play but have seen the replay many many times. Once again, like Kinsler, and Buckner before, it was unfair to lay the blame at Pesky's feet. First of all, it had to be a bang bang play to have any chance of getting it done. Second of all, if Dimaggio had been in cf that day, it is likely that that play would never have had to be made. Usually someone gets more credit than they deserve for doing a good job and someone else gets more blame than they deserve when things don't work out.