Where are HOLT and DEVERS

[OH FOY]

What's the plan for tonight against Sabathia? Lefty on Lefty? You got to finish the job, now, different mindset, with this win. Yanks got their backs to the wall. Need to put the dagger in, and not think about last night's great win. Have to turn the page quick. Haven't won anything yet. Finish the JOB!!!

This also sends a message to Houston too. No easy series next time.

Edited October 9, 2018 by OH FOY!

[iortiz]

'Send all the meat to the grill' - never heard this one but I like it!

 

LOL! I’m sure there’s way to say it in English, but I don’t know it hahaha

[moonslav59]

Said that, yeah, not everything is hitting, but Swihart has shown he can catch at a very good level beyond who is pitching.

 

Actually, he hasn't.

 

Career:

 

Sale:

Swihart has never even caught one pitch with Sale. The only "proof" here is that our managers don't trust Swihart with Sale.

2.42 with Leon (319 IP)

3.40 with Vaz (53)

 

Price:

Swihart has only caught 11 innings with Price- hardly enough to prove anything (5.73 ERA).

2.83 with Leon (194)

4.32 with Vaz (263)

 

Porcello:

Here, Swihart has some experience...

4.14 with Leon (483)

4.15 with Vaz (134)

4.59 with Swihart (118)

It's still a half run, and he's not that much of a better hitter to make that up/

 

Eovaldi:

No proof- no IP'd with Swihart.

0.55 with Vaz (not counting playoffs)

3.86 with Leon (35)

4.16 with everybody

 

In all fairness, Swihart does okay with our pen and ERod, but he should not start any games in the playoffs.

 

ERod

4.00 Leon (99)

4.08 Swihart (71)

4.24 Vaz (276)

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

Holt has been incredibly hot for weeks. This game can be inexplicable.

 

The muscle he added in the offseason seems to have paid off big time down the stretch and last night.

 

Agreed. No breakdowns this season for Holt.

 

Where do we play him tonight? He's actually slightly better vs LHPs than RHPs.

 

I can see sitting Devers or Kinsler and playing Holt at 2B and Nunez at 3B.

 

We gotta start Pearce vs the lefty, so 1B is out.

 

I doubt we sit JBJ, but putting JD in the short RF might be a long shot (DH Pearce and play Holt at 1B?).

[Bellhorn04]

Agreed. No breakdowns this season for Holt.

 

Where do we play him tonight? He's actually slightly better vs LHPs than RHPs.

 

I can see sitting Devers or Kinsler and playing Holt at 2B and Nunez at 3B.

 

We gotta start Pearce vs the lefty, so 1B is out.

 

I doubt we sit JBJ, but putting JD in the short RF might be a long shot (DH Pearce and play Holt at 1B?).

 

I was also thinking Holt at second and Nunez at third tonight. Let's see if Alex agrees.

[iortiz]

Actually, he hasn't.

 

Career:

 

Sale:

Swihart has never even caught one pitch with Sale. The only "proof" here is that our managers don't trust Swihart with Sale.

2.42 with Leon (319 IP)

3.40 with Vaz (53)

 

Price:

Swihart has only caught 11 innings with Price- hardly enough to prove anything (5.73 ERA).

2.83 with Leon (194)

4.32 with Vaz (263)

 

Porcello:

Here, Swihart has some experience...

4.14 with Leon (483)

4.15 with Vaz (134)

4.59 with Swihart (118)

It's still a half run, and he's not that much of a better hitter to make that up/

 

Eovaldi:

No proof- no IP'd with Swihart.

0.55 with Vaz (not counting playoffs)

3.86 with Leon (35)

4.16 with everybody

 

In all fairness, Swihart does okay with our pen and ERod, but he should not start any games in the playoffs.

 

ERod

4.00 Leon (99)

4.08 Swihart (71)

4.24 Vaz (276)

 

 

 

 

As you just presented, the sample is irrelevant hence numbers are not conclusive. He barely has played anyways.

 

Said that, IMO he needs to play more next season at C. His bat is better than Leon’s and his catching and arm behind the play could improve signicatly if they let him play more time. We just can’t go like NL team when Leon is catching.

[Bellhorn04]

LOL! I’m sure there’s way to say it in English, but I don’t know it hahaha

 

No, it's excellent just like it is.

[OH FOY]

Kinsler .289, Nunez .313 against Sabathia.

[moonslav59]

As you just presented, the sample is irrelevant hence numbers are not conclusive. He barely has played anyways.

 

Said that, IMO he needs to play more next season at C. His bat is better than Leon’s and his catching and arm behind the play could improve signicatly if they let him play more time. We just can’t go like NL team when Leon is catching.

 

You said Swihart has proven he can catch anybody. That's just not true.

 

Also, throwing is a teenie tiny fraction of what makes a great defensive catcher. (VTek had a noddle arm.)

[notin]

Kinsler .289, Nunez .313 against Sabathia.

 

It would seem odd to bench Holt tonight...

[Bellhorn04]

Kinsler .289, Nunez .313 against Sabathia.

 

And Holt is hotter than the hinges of hell. Interesting decision for Cora.

[OH FOY]

It would seem odd to bench Holt tonight...

 

Sit JBJ, put JD in right, Holt at 1st, and Pearce DH? Mookie in Center? Mookie rakes CC.

[jung]

The only option that makes sense to me would be JD to RF, Mookie to CF, JBJ sits, Nunez to DH and Pearce to 1st base with Holt at 3rd and Kinsler at 2nd. Vaz catches tonight.

 

We don't get much having Nunez at 3rd v Holt. 3rd is simply the best field position Nunez plays. Holt can play 3rd and he is simply so focused right now that I want him playing and I want Kinsler playing and I want Pearce playing. I want Nunez bat tonight.

 

CC wants to put up 4-5 goose eggs on us and head to the bench for the pen. We have to fight through that as CC is quite capable of putting up 4 goose eggs on us. Never feared Severino. But CC can execute his plan on us and get out of the game after 4 or 5 tops.

Edited October 9, 2018 by jung

[OH FOY]

The only option that makes sense to me would be JD to RF, Mookie to CF, JBJ sits, Nunez to DH and Pearce to 1st base with Holt at 3rd and Kinsler at 2nd. Vaz catches tonight.

 

This is good too. CV has to catch now, need his Offense.

[moonslav59]

It would seem odd to bench Holt tonight...

 

Farrell would do it in a heartbeat.

[moonslav59]

Sit JBJ, put JD in right, Holt at 1st, and Pearce DH? Mookie in Center? Mookie rakes CC.

 

I mentioned that configuration, but maybe this is better:

 

JD at DH

 

Pearce at 1B

 

Holt in RF

 

Betts in CF

[Maxbialystock]

Actually, he hasn't.

 

Career:

 

Sale:

Swihart has never even caught one pitch with Sale. The only "proof" here is that our managers don't trust Swihart with Sale.

2.42 with Leon (319 IP)

3.40 with Vaz (53)

 

Price:

Swihart has only caught 11 innings with Price- hardly enough to prove anything (5.73 ERA).

2.83 with Leon (194)

4.32 with Vaz (263)

 

Porcello:

Here, Swihart has some experience...

4.14 with Leon (483)

4.15 with Vaz (134)

4.59 with Swihart (118)

It's still a half run, and he's not that much of a better hitter to make that up/

 

Eovaldi:

No proof- no IP'd with Swihart.

0.55 with Vaz (not counting playoffs)

3.86 with Leon (35)

4.16 with everybody

 

In all fairness, Swihart does okay with our pen and ERod, but he should not start any games in the playoffs.

 

ERod

4.00 Leon (99)

4.08 Swihart (71)

4.24 Vaz (276)

 

 

 

 

Amen. If we have learned nothing else this year, we should have learned how important the catcher is for the overall defense because of his effect on the pitching. Swihart is easily the best athlete of the three and probably the best hitter, but Leon and Vazquez are better at the essential task of defensive catching. They both have positive DWAR's and his is negative. More than that, it is more and more apparent that the pitching staff is more comfortable with the other two behind the plate.

 

I agreed with bosoxmal in the OP--that it was time to give Holt and Devers a shot. I would have done so vs. Tanaka, but also think Cora knows a lot more than I. Last night showed that Vazquez can catch a pretty good game and maybe get a hit now and then which Leon seems increasingly unable to do. That's why Vazquez was the regular catcher before his injury.

[OH FOY]

I mentioned that configuration, but maybe this is better:

 

JD at DH

 

Pearce at 1B

 

Holt in RF

 

Betts in CF

 

Sounds good too. I have no problem with this.

[jung]

I mentioned that configuration, but maybe this is better:

 

JD at DH

 

Pearce at 1B

 

Holt in RF

 

Betts in CF

 

That works as well. As long as JBJ sits, Vaz catches and Pearce gets 1st the rest is fine. I just think Holt v Nunez at 3rd is a better compromise than Holt v JD in the short Yankee RF. But either is fine as long as JBJ sits, Vaz catches and Pearce gets 1st. I don't want Holt at 1st.

[OH FOY]

I mentioned that configuration, but maybe this is better:

 

JD at DH

 

Pearce at 1B

 

Holt in RF

 

Betts in CF

 

In fact I like this the best, reason, you wont fool around the DH, and you can bring in Holt to infield, and JBJ back into Center, if you need more Defense, when we get the lead. I really like our chances tonight with Rick, he throws strikes, and that's important. We have them reeling, now finish it.

[moonslav59]

Amen. If we have learned nothing else this year, we should have learned how important the catcher is for the overall defense because of his effect on the pitching. Swihart is easily the best athlete of the three and probably the best hitter, but Leon and Vazquez are better at the essential task of defensive catching. They both have positive DWAR's and his is negative. More than that, it is more and more apparent that the pitching staff is more comfortable with the other two behind the plate.

 

I agreed with bosoxmal in the OP--that it was time to give Holt and Devers a shot. I would have done so vs. Tanaka, but also think Cora knows a lot more than I. Last night showed that Vazquez can catch a pretty good game and maybe get a hit now and then which Leon seems increasingly unable to do. That's why Vazquez was the regular catcher before his injury.

 

Yes, and Vaz was the scheduled starter with Eovaldi and Porcello before the series began. Cora did not make a switch, because Leon was not hitting. Leon will catch Sale's next game.

 

Moreland was hurt, so playing Pearce vs the LHP was not a true "switch". Cora did have the option of plating Holt or Swihart at 1B, but I think most managers would have gone with Pearce- who has hit righties surprisingly well this year.

 

Playing Holt was the only real choice Cora made, but the way Holt had been hitting, you figured he was going to play at some point. One could argue, he should have been playing in an earlier game.

 

I love Cora, but I don't think the line-up change last night was as bold as some seem to think it was.

[moonslav59]

In fact I like this the best, reason, you wont fool around the DH, and you can bring in Holt to infield, and JBJ back into Center, if you need more Defense, when we get the lead. I really like our chances tonight with Rick, he throws strikes, and that's important. We have them reeling, now finish it.

 

Good point on keeping JD in the DH role to allow for defensive flexibility.

[OH FOY]

If we win, my MVP, will be Judge, for playing..."New York, New York", by Red Sox clubhouse. That woke their asses up. Thanks Aaron.

[mvp 78]

If we win, my MVP, will be Judge, for playing..."New York, New York", by Red Sox clubhouse. That woke their asses up. Thanks Aaron.

 

I don't think this team would care about that.

[bosoxmal]

Great call Mal!!!

 

Thank you! I don't think I was the only one who felt this way. Hope it holds up

[S5Dewey]

I mentioned that configuration, but maybe this is better:

 

JD at DH

 

Pearce at 1B

 

Holt in RF

 

Betts in CF

 

Do you really want to downgrade RF with the power hitters in the Yankees lineup???

[fxkatt]

I guess my tonite lineup would keep the outfield intact--JBJ is due at the plate. And this is Super Defense.

 

Put Nunez back at third, and either Holt or Kinsler at second (K just missed a home run in game 2)

 

Vazquez, of course, catching.

[mvp 78]

I guess my tonite lineup would keep the outfield intact--JBJ is due at the plate. And this is Super Defense.

 

Put Nunez back at third, and either Holt or Kinsler at second (K just missed a home run in game 2)

 

Vazquez, of course, catching.

 

I've heard that one before.

[OH FOY]

Right Field in Fenway a lot tougher then Yankee Stadium. Holt can handle it.

[fxkatt]

I've heard that one before.

 

I love our amazing outfield. And the bottom line of this game is to Win by One Run. So, in our minds, defense should be primary. We can always add bats when facing righty relievers.