Should Eovaldi be re-sign?

[mvp 78]

The Sox do have a lot of those players for 2019 already.

 

As Dombrowski is a big time trader and really, has not much in the farm to deal, who will he put on the market?

 

I think, besides one or both of Chavis and Dalbec, the Sox might entertain deals for Rodriguez and Swihart. A third possibility is Bogaerts, but interest might be lessened once the Cubs make Addison Russell available at a discount...

 

I keep Chavis and Dalbec and hope one of them turns into an adequate 1b. I think Swihart is most likely traded. Not sure they can trade Bogaerts as they don't have a good replacement for him at SS or in the 5th spot.

[notin]

I keep Chavis and Dalbec and hope one of them turns into an adequate 1b. I think Swihart is most likely traded. Not sure they can trade Bogaerts as they don't have a good replacement for him at SS or in the 5th spot.

 

Well there is a certain wildly unpopular free agent shortstop that Dombrowski has reportedly tried to acquire before...

[mvp 78]

Well there is a certain wildly unpopular free agent shortstop that Dombrowski has reportedly tried to acquire before...

 

So trade Bogaerts to sign a more expensive SS? That doesn't seem like a DD move.

[notin]

So trade Bogaerts to sign a more expensive SS? That doesn't seem like a DD move.

 

It doesn’t?

 

This is a GM who lost a Victor Martinez for the season and replaced him by giving Prince Fielder one of the biggest contracts in history. And at a time when interest in Fielder was minimal, to be kind.

 

Also with one year left and an agent named Boras, this might be viewed as the ideal time to move breakout player Bogaerts.

 

I’m not a proponent of this strategy, but it’s not unrealistic. After all, DD reportedly tried to trade Bogaerts for the more expensive Machado last off-season...

[notin]

So trade Bogaerts to sign a more expensive SS? That doesn't seem like a DD move.

 

And really, even though the money was a lot less, Dombrowski did trade Shaw and sign the more expensive Moreland...

[jacksonianmarch]

seemed to work out ok tho?

lolz

 

That’s why you got Eovaldi and he and Porcello fed us our ass. That’s what I’m saying. If you allow Eo to leave, you’re gonna have 4 lefties in your 2019 rotation. That’s gonna be a problem

[notin]

That’s why you got Eovaldi and he and Porcello fed us our ass. That’s what I’m saying. If you allow Eo to leave, you’re gonna have 4 lefties in your 2019 rotation. That’s gonna be a problem

 

Unless DD trades ERod...

[Bellhorn04]

And really, even though the money was a lot less, Dombrowski did trade Shaw and sign the more expensive Moreland...

 

Not sure how the dots connect there.

[jacksonianmarch]

Unless DD trades ERod...

 

But why do that? Erod clearly isn't healthy after injuring the ankle, but his numbers were sparkling this year. You don't deal ERod, you build with him, especially since he is cheap and the sox are running into a funding crisis. To add to my point about being too left handed. Look at these numbers from the series

 

In the ALDS

Yanks vs lefties

10.2IP 8ER 6.75ERA

 

Yanks vs righties

26IP 6ER 2.07ERA

 

And that is with Kimbrel trying to blow two games by allowing 3ER in 2.1IP. You need another starter who can balance out the rotation with Porcello for 2019. Eovaldi did that. If he isn't re-signed, the sox will need to do that if they are to beat NYY again. I think the chances we meet in the ALDS next year are really, really high

[notin]

Not sure how the dots connect there.

 

The idea of trading one player to replace him with a more expensive free agent?

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if DD traded Bogaerts and signed Machado. If he did try to deal for Machado last off-season, presumably there was also a plan to extend him.

 

This move doesn’t appear that it would be very popular with a lot of Sox fans, and maybe, like a lot of people, DD has soured on Machado since then.

 

Or maybe not...

[jacksonianmarch]

The idea of trading one player to replace him with a more expensive free agent?

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if DD traded Bogaerts and signed Machado. If he did try to deal for Machado last off-season, presumably there was also a plan to extend him.

 

This move doesn’t appear that it would be very popular with a lot of Sox fans, and maybe, like a lot of people, DD has soured on Machado since then.

 

Or maybe not...

 

I do not think the open checkbook will extend forever for DD. You've already surpassed the final lux tax line and will be losing 10 spots in the draft while paying high taxes. My guess is you won't be doing that forever

[notin]

But why do that? Erod clearly isn't healthy after injuring the ankle, but his numbers were sparkling this year. You don't deal ERod, you build with him, especially since he is cheap and the sox are running into a funding crisis. To add to my point about being too left handed. Look at these numbers from the series

 

In the ALDS

Yanks vs lefties

10.2IP 8ER 6.75ERA

 

Yanks vs righties

26IP 6ER 2.07ERA

 

And that is with Kimbrel trying to blow two games by allowing 3ER in 2.1IP. You need another starter who can balance out the rotation with Porcello for 2019. Eovaldi did that. If he isn't re-signed, the sox will need to do that if they are to beat NYY again. I think the chances we meet in the ALDS next year are really, really high

 

We have a GM who likes trading, no farm system to trade from, and the possibility of multiple needs.

 

There are certainly reasons to keep ERod, but I do doubt he is untouchable and could be dealt for the right price...

[SoxnCycles]

Why?

 

Kimbrel’s next contract is about what he can give you for the next 4-5 years, not about what he did for one week in October...

 

Pablo Sandoval says "Hi!".

[notin]

I do not think the open checkbook will extend forever for DD. You've already surpassed the final lux tax line and will be losing 10 spots in the draft while paying high taxes. My guess is you won't be doing that forever

 

Eh.

 

Given Dombrowski’s draft history, is dropping 10 spots really a deterrent?

 

At some point the spending will get cut off. Maybe it is this off-season. But maybe not...

[jacksonianmarch]

We have a GM who likes trading, no farm system to trade from, and the possibility of multiple needs.

 

There are certainly reasons to keep ERod, but I do doubt he is untouchable and could be dealt for the right price...

 

But what is the price? That's the question. ERod is heading into his second year of arb after being a super 2 player in 2018. He's got three more years of control and with his innings being down this year, you're likely looking at a $5 mil price tag? That's a great thing. Have a starter who has turned into a strike out pitcher with good enough command at 25 yrs old making $5 mil. Those guys can be dealt for a lot, but the problem with the sox right now is the payroll is too high. How do you deal off a controlled, cheap, producing asset without killing the payroll? Would you deal him for Bumgarner? DeGrom? Who knows, but either of those guys will come with a far higher price tag and lux tax hit

[notin]

Pablo Sandoval says "Hi!".

 

Exactly. I made that same point somewhere on another thread....

[jacksonianmarch]

Eh.

 

Given Dombrowski’s draft history, is dropping 10 spots really a deterrent?

 

At some point the spending will get cut off. Maybe it is this off-season. But maybe not...

 

The sox are heading into 2019 with two consecutive years of being over the lux tax. In 2018, the sox were the only team to surpass the final threshold. The sox are going to get a 30% tax this year with a 42.5% surtax for going over the final line. Next year, the lux tax penalties are 50% with a 45% surtax over the final line. Every penny over that line will be taxed at 95%??!?! This year, the few mil they are over the final line is being taxed at 72.5%. Not good, but far better than another jump.

[Slasher9]

Pablo Sandoval says "Hi!".

 

as does Carlos Beltran

[notin]

But what is the price? That's the question. ERod is heading into his second year of arb after being a super 2 player in 2018. He's got three more years of control and with his innings being down this year, you're likely looking at a $5 mil price tag? That's a great thing. Have a starter who has turned into a strike out pitcher with good enough command at 25 yrs old making $5 mil. Those guys can be dealt for a lot, but the problem with the sox right now is the payroll is too high. How do you deal off a controlled, cheap, producing asset without killing the payroll? Would you deal him for Bumgarner? DeGrom? Who knows, but either of those guys will come with a far higher price tag and lux tax hit

 

I’m not sure, and that would certainly depend on the Sox off-season plans. But if a recent comparison can be found for a deal involving a similar player to ERod, that is a good starting point...

[bosoxmal]

Money has bot been a major factor since Tom Yawkey went out and bought Foxx, Grove, Cramer, et al. Not when a pitcher is this good.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Nobody is Rivera. You need to think about that. Kimbrel needs high end stuff and both pitches working or he becomes erratic. Rivera threw one pitch, which he located with perfection and did it for 18 seasons. Even when his velocity waned, he was effective. He retired at 43 years old mostly because he didn't want to keep doing it. Heck, he had a 2.11ERA as a 43 yr old with 44 saves. As good as he was during the regular season, he was better in the playoffs. In 141 post season innings, he allowed 2 homeruns. 11 runners scored on him in that time. He only walked 21 batters in those innings. What he did in the regular season will never be repeated. What he did in the post season is absolutely absurd and is effectively the best playoff performance over a career in any sport of all time.

 

Rivera was an elite closer, maybe the best ever, but the SOX probably had more success against him than any other team. Similar to the success the SOX have had over the Yankems' present closer Chapman.

Edited October 19, 2018 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[jacksonianmarch]

In the AL, the only team with a higher OPS against was the Angels. Every AL team’s OPS against us under .700. His numbers are silly

[jacksonianmarch]

Rivera was an elite close, maybe the best ever, but the SOX probably had more success against him than any other team. Similar to the success the SOX have had over the Yankems' present closer Chapman.

 

Maybe the best ever? It isn’t close. He’s the GOAT. And I don’t think he’ll ever be dethroned. Akin to how Jerry Rice will never be dethroned as the best WR of all time. Nowadays, closers have a two pitch mix with obscene velocity. Velo fades with age. Mo had a single pitch that moved so much yet he could command it to a dot that he aged really well. He could easily have pitched another few years. He posted a 2.11ERA and saved 41 games as a 43 year old. That’s f***ing mind boggling!

[Nick]

The sox are heading into 2019 with two consecutive years of being over the lux tax. In 2018, the sox were the only team to surpass the final threshold. The sox are going to get a 30% tax this year with a 42.5% surtax for going over the final line. Next year, the lux tax penalties are 50% with a 45% surtax over the final line. Every penny over that line will be taxed at 95%??!?! This year, the few mil they are over the final line is being taxed at 72.5%. Not good, but far better than another jump.

 

Not true. We were under the cap in 2017. So going into 2019, we are going into it with 1 year of tax limit payroll.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Nick

[jacksonianmarch]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/857918001

 

This could be wrong, but they list the Sox as over for 2017

[jacksonianmarch]

That’s the rub. The Sox payroll was under the cap but when you include medicals, they were over. Hence, the Sox have now been in the penalty phase for two seasons

[Bellhorn04]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/857918001

 

This could be wrong, but they list the Sox as over for 2017

 

The Red Sox were not over for 2017. That story is out of date.

[Slasher9]

The Red Sox were not over for 2017. That story is out of date.

 

Lol.

Fake News!

[moonslav59]

That’s the rub. The Sox payroll was under the cap but when you include medicals, they were over. Hence, the Sox have now been in the penalty phase for two seasons

 

cots had us at $233M on 7/18/18. That is counting the $14M to player benefits. I think we structured the Eovaldi and Pearce trades to help us stay just unter the $40M over mark.

 

 

[dgalehouse]

Maybe the best ever? It isn’t close. He’s the GOAT. And I don’t think he’ll ever be dethroned. Akin to how Jerry Rice will never be dethroned as the best WR of all time. Nowadays, closers have a two pitch mix with obscene velocity. Velo fades with age. Mo had a single pitch that moved so much yet he could command it to a dot that he aged really well. He could easily have pitched another few years. He posted a 2.11ERA and saved 41 games as a 43 year old. That’s f***ing mind boggling!

 

It's always good to have memories when the present is disappointing.