Is the AL MVP race pretty much over?

[sk7326]

That's debatable ......

 

Snell was the majors only 21 game winner. His .178 average against and 219 ERA+ were the best in baseball. His 1.89 ERA was the best among AL qualifiers. He allowed 2 or fewer runs in 27 of 31 starts and 1 or none in 21. In 12 starts against the 5 AL playoff teams he went 9-2 with a 2.00 ERA.

 

Pitcher wins means exactly zero to me. Snell provided 0.6 bWAR more than Sale over 30+ more innings, while providing almost 30 innings of bulk less than Verlander. Snell was a perfectly good choice. My point holds amply. Sale was a lock for the award until August - but he just did not deliver enough quantity. While I admire what he did when he DID pitch - that is 30-50 innings of above replacement baseball which the Red Sox had to identify contingencies for. Sale finishing 3rd was fine with me.

[sk7326]

The steroid argument is always a wildcard and the one reason Bagwell took too long to get in even though no accusations were levied against him at the time. I think HOF voters will start to care less and less about the steroid issues and Clemens, Bonds, ARod, et al will all be in (and rightfully deserve to be).

 

I like Edgar. He should be in the HOF. I just like Papi better. With Edgar, he hit and played 3b a little but didn't bring much else. Papi hit a s*** ton, had so many memorable heroics, won 3 WS, was a mega superstar who was always smiling and was the face of one of the most important franchises for over a decade. I think stardom plays a bigger role in a guy being elected to the Hall of FAME. I don't believe Edgar put butts in the seats.

 

The only guy I don't want to see in the HOF is Rose who just turned into an absolute grifter.

 

I don't think there is a real wrong answer in Ortiz v Edgar. But the Hall should take full time DH's more seriously - and they are clearly the two which should get first consideration. Now with Paul Molitor in and Jim Thome playing more or less the entire 2nd half of his career as a DH - the voters really should let them in.

[sk7326]

You think DH should be in Hall of Fame? If you think DH should be in HOF, then MVP has to be considered too.

Betts had unreal numbers in 2016. 93 wins, right. 3 and out, in Playoffs.

Without JD this year, I just don't see us winning it all. He was difference to me, on this team, this year.

 

No need to comment on what I think, speak your own mind. Thanks.

 

1. These are regular season awards.

2. David Price went 10-2 in his starts as a hired gun for Toronto 3 seasons ago. They don't make it to the postseason without him. Was he the AL MVP?

[Bellhorn04]

1. These are regular season awards.

2. David Price went 10-2 in his starts as a hired gun for Toronto 3 seasons ago. They don't make it to the postseason without him. Was he the AL MVP?

 

We need some new awards. MVDA = Most Valuable Deadline Acquisition!

[Slasher9]

We need some new awards. MVDA = Most Valuable Deadline Acquisition!

 

let the Pearce v Evo debate battles begin!

[Jasonbay44]

Mookie was officially named MVP today. - Well deserved and what a hell of a season for Mookie.

[Bellhorn04]

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Congratulations, Mook. Not bad for a 5th round pick.

[Bellhorn04]

MVP and Cy Young are the 2 awards that have actually held up pretty well over the years as meaning something.

[moonslav59]

It was a lock all along.

 

28 out of 30 first place votes.

 

The other two had him second (one for Trout & one for JD).

 

Yelich won 29 out of 30 with one second.

[Slasher9]

Mookie was officially named MVP today. - Well deserved and what a hell of a season for Mookie.

 

Yeah man! Well deserved!

[notin]

MVP and Cy Young are the 2 awards that have actually held up pretty well over the years as meaning something.

 

 

So.... not marketing tools?

[notin]

let the Pearce v Evo debate battles begin!

 

 

The winner is......... Pearovaldi!!!!

[moonslav59]

Cost wise, the better comps are probably...

 

Kelly vs Pearce

 

Eovaldi vs Keuchel or Morton

[SoxHop]

Mookie was officially named MVP today. - Well deserved and what a hell of a season for Mookie.

 

HELL YEA!!!!!! I have to say it, but that was the most amazing season I've ever seen from a Sox player. Mookie is from another planet!!!

 

We all got lucky to see him this year. That somewhere near 13 pitch Grand Slam Mookie had was ............. well............... whatever it was in your brain I hope it was amazing.

 

Mookie had a season we all could talk about for decades. I loved watching the guy this year.

 

He's so cool he makes bowling cool.

[Jasonbay44]

Mookie really does have to be one of the more likable superstars ever. Every time I hear news about him its good. He seems like a genuinely good dude, and I hope he plays the rest of his career here.

[cp176]

Mookie really does have to be one of the more likable superstars ever. Every time I hear news about him its good. He seems like a genuinely good dude, and I hope he plays the rest of his career here.

 

Mookie=FOTF

[moonslav59]

When Mookie smiles all is good.

[Bellhorn04]

So.... not marketing tools?

 

Not mutually exclusive.

[sk7326]

So.... not marketing tools?

 

Of course they are ... narrative is still rewarded in the MVP. (Why Yelich got the NL MVP in a year where there were better candidates among starting pitchers)

 

The Cy is the easiest of the four big awards to evaluate. Who is the league's best pitcher? It's pretty simple - and even then it's not perfect. (see any year with a closer winning it)

 

As Dan Symborzki noted, the manager of the year - the least stat-y of the awards - has been decided in the most stat-y way of the awards. (the largest jump in wins)

 

Rookie of the year and MVP are sort of in the same vein - narrative factors come into voting if the quantitative case isn't sufficient. As I've noted - future stardom is absolutely something I'd consider when the candidates are pretty close together in terms of production. Part of the goal of something like rookie of the year is to point out to casual fans the stars of tomorrow (not the primary goal, but certainly a consideration). No need to run from that.

[Kimmi]

HELL YEA!!!!!! I have to say it, but that was the most amazing season I've ever seen from a Sox player. Mookie is from another planet!!!

 

We all got lucky to see him this year. That somewhere near 13 pitch Grand Slam Mookie had was ............. well............... whatever it was in your brain I hope it was amazing.

 

Mookie had a season we all could talk about for decades. I loved watching the guy this year.

 

He's so cool he makes bowling cool.

 

Mookie has had one whirlwind of a season. Along with being a WS Champion, he has won pretty much every individual award that he was eligible for. Not to mention he became a father. How is he going to top that next year? LOL

 

FTR, bowling was very cool way before Mookie.