Dave Dombrowski

[S5Dewey]

8 years, 280 million, AAV of 35 million would seem to be in the ballpark.

 

Using today's standards that seems fair. Outrageously expensive, but fair. But that may change - up or down - after the upcoming FA season.

[Slasher9]

As for Mookie Betts.....I still say hand him a blank contract and tell him to fill in the numbers. It will be worth it....

[jacksonianmarch]

Mookie will be watching Harper and Machado intently. Whomever signs the richer contract will be his target to beat

[dgalehouse]

Mookie will be watching Harper and Machado intently. Whomever signs the richer contract will be his target to beat

 

And he will beat it easily . But it won't be with the Tigers , Orioles , White Sox , Brewers , etc.

[jacksonianmarch]

I’ve been saying all along that a young generational talent should sign a contract with a series of opt outs. I wonder if a creative team should do what the Devils did with a subsequently rebuffed contract. Sign the player for way past their prime with all the money coming up front and an opt out built in. Mookie is looking at a 8-10 year deal for $300 mil. Maybe he gets a 15 year deal for $305 mil but the first 10 years are at $30 mil AAV and the final 5 years are at $1 mil AAV with an opt out after year ten. That counts on the books as a $20.3 mil AAV deal even though it’s really a $30 mil per annum deal

[Bellhorn04]

I’ve been saying all along that a young generational talent should sign a contract with a series of opt outs. I wonder if a creative team should do what the Devils did with a subsequently rebuffed contract. Sign the player for way past their prime with all the money coming up front and an opt out built in. Mookie is looking at a 8-10 year deal for $300 mil. Maybe he gets a 15 year deal for $305 mil but the first 10 years are at $30 mil AAV and the final 5 years are at $1 mil AAV with an opt out after year ten. That counts on the books as a $20.3 mil AAV deal even though it’s really a $30 mil per annum deal

 

Well, there's Stanton's contract - 13 years, 325 million, 25 million AAV, opt-out after year 5 (I think).

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, there's Stanton's contract - 13 years, 325 million, 25 million AAV, opt-out after year 5 (I think).

 

Stanton sees the bulk of the contract after the opt out. Stanton will see $107 mil by the end of year 6, but he has $218 mil coming in the final 7 seasons. I’m flipping the script and saying the bulk comes before the opt out thus allowing the contract to look better on the books than it actually is

[jacksonianmarch]

And he will beat it easily . But it won't be with the Tigers , Orioles , White Sox , Brewers , etc.

 

It absolutely could be the preceding clubs. All have a history of shelling out big contracts. Betts is a generational talent. Anyone who wants an identity for their club will start with him. I think the Orioles would be a prime candidate. Heck, Stanton’s opt out is after Mookie’s final arb season. The Yanks could be in on Mookie too

[dgalehouse]

It absolutely could be the preceding clubs. All have a history of shelling out big contracts. Betts is a generational talent. Anyone who wants an identity for their club will start with him. I think the Orioles would be a prime candidate. Heck, Stanton’s opt out is after Mookie’s final arb season. The Yanks could be in on Mookie too

 

The Orioles just traded Machado because they knew they couldn't afford him. I checked with my local bookmaker , Paul " Needlenose " Minagge . He said the odds of Baltimore signing Mookie were so infinitesimal that no bets would be taken. No pun intended.

[moonslav59]

Well, there's Stanton's contract - 13 years, 325 million, 25 million AAV, opt-out after year 5 (I think).

 

His opt out is after 2020.

 

At that point, he will be owed $218/7 ($31.2M/yr) counting the $10M buyout for 2028. It will be $233/8, if the option is taken ($28.9M/yr).

[moonslav59]

I’ve been saying all along that a young generational talent should sign a contract with a series of opt outs. I wonder if a creative team should do what the Devils did with a subsequently rebuffed contract. Sign the player for way past their prime with all the money coming up front and an opt out built in. Mookie is looking at a 8-10 year deal for $300 mil. Maybe he gets a 15 year deal for $305 mil but the first 10 years are at $30 mil AAV and the final 5 years are at $1 mil AAV with an opt out after year ten. That counts on the books as a $20.3 mil AAV deal even though it’s really a $30 mil per annum deal

 

Good idea. Why not take it further and make it $1M a year for the final 10 years, where he could be used as a coach, if he's done playing by then.

 

$300M x 10 plus $1M x 10= $310M/20 ($15.5M AVV).

[Bellhorn04]

Good idea. Why not take it further and make it $1M a year for the final 10 years, where he could be used as a coach, if he's done playing by then.

 

$300M x 10 plus $1M x 10= $310M/20 ($15.5M AVV).

 

I can't see MLB allowing it. It's blatant AAV manipulation on a pretty big scale.

[moonslav59]

I can't see MLB allowing it. It's blatant AAV manipulation on a pretty big scale.

 

Who knows what they might or could do about it.

[cp176]

You folks can argue about what you think Betts is worth and for how many years. No one here knows nor does anyone really know what John Henry will pay to keep him. At some point, they will sit down with Mookie and find out just how much it will take to keep him and how many years as well. I would be stunned if he gets away. He is a great young baseball talent for sure but that is only part of it. His smile, his attitude, and the way he approaches the game make him the face of this franchise. You want kids to come to the games dragging their parents along Betts is the one who can draw them. As long as he is in Boston, he will bring in the big money.

[dgalehouse]

Mookie is on track to be one of the all time greats. He is a special player. Do not compare him with Machado , Altuve , Harper , etc. He is a cut above all of them , with the possible exception of Trout. You do whatever it takes to keep him. Think big. Too many fans think like small time Charlies.

[moonslav59]

You folks can argue about what you think Betts is worth and for how many years. No one here knows nor does anyone really know what John Henry will pay to keep him. At some point, they will sit down with Mookie and find out just how much it will take to keep him and how many years as well. I would be stunned if he gets away. He is a great young baseball talent for sure but that is only part of it. His smile, his attitude, and the way he approaches the game make him the face of this franchise. You want kids to come to the games dragging their parents along Betts is the one who can draw them. As long as he is in Boston, he will bring in the big money.

 

Very true. I don't see Henry letting Betts walk, unless some clown GM grossly overpays him.

 

Tough decisions ahead.

 

Sale & Bogey after 2019 plus JD's opt out.

 

Betts after 2020.

[Bellhorn04]

Who knows what they might or could do about it.

 

I figure if it could be done that easily, someone would have done it already.

 

It's pretty blatant what the intent is, you have to admit.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

On the topic of the Cashman and comparing Cashman to Dombrowksi, someone on that popular Yankees forum criticized Cashman for being too much like Ben Cherrington. That is, Cashman is too protective of his prospects--won't trade them for major league needs--and Cherrington was this way as well. I thought that was an interesting perspective on what has gone wrong with the Yankees and how they have been managed by Cashman.

 

Of course, we all know that Dombrowski does not have that problem--he was more than happy and willing to ship out elite prospects for Sale, Kimbrel, and others.

Edited August 4, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[dgalehouse]

I figure if it could be done that easily, someone would have done it already.

 

It's pretty blatant what the intent is, you have to admit.

 

There is always somebody trying to game the system.

[dgalehouse]

On the topic of the Cashman and comparing Cashman to Dombrowksi, someone on that popular Yankees forum criticized Cashman for being too much like Ben Cherrington. That is, Cashman is too protective of his prospects--won't trade them for major league needs--and Cherrington was this way as well. I thought that was an interesting perspective on what has gone wrong with the Yankees now.

 

I think we all know that Dombrowski does not have that problem--he was more than happy and willing to ship out elite prospects for Sale, Kimbrel, and others.

 

Supposedly , our farm is " decimated." The Yankee farm is lush with talent. I guess that is why they are starting Chance ( 4.50 ERA in AAA) Adams today . Along with the immortal Shane Robinson in right field.

[moonslav59]

I figure if it could be done that easily, someone would have done it already.

 

It's pretty blatant what the intent is, you have to admit.

 

Yes, as was the Rusney maneuver. We got away with that one, and it took a while to change the rule.

 

It's probably worth a try, and maybe not go so extreme like my example.

 

[moonslav59]

Supposedly , our farm is " decimated." The Yankee farm is lush with talent. I guess that is why they are starting Chance ( 4.50 ERA in AAA) Adams today . Along with the immortal Shane Robinson in right field.

 

Both the Yanks and Sox have had their share of injuries.

 

I've said from the start, I like our bench and depth, despite our "weak" farm.

 

The Pearce, Kinsler & Eovaldi pick-ups have been a huge success, as was the dumping of HRam, but the rest of our depth has done a very good job.

 

Moreland

Holt

Wright

Johnson

Velazquez

Brasier

Poyer/Walden

[a700hitter]

Some of us correctly stated that DD would decimate the Farm when hired. There is no arguing that this isn’t the case. If it results in a parade it will be worth it.

I love our team right now.

3-4 years from now? TBD.

Hater.

[moonslav59]

How many of these prospects/players do we need to capably replace soon-to-be free agents?

 

Feltman > Kimbrel

Wright/Johnson/Velazquez> Pomeranz/Eovaldi

Poyner/Walden/Maddox> Kelly

Lin > Kinsler

Ockimey/Chavis> Pearce

 

Johnson/Velazquez/Shawaryn> Sale

Velazquez/Shawaryn> Porcello

Chatham> Bogey

Ockimey/Chavis> Moreland

Lin> Holt/Nunez

Shawaryn> Thornburg

 

???> Betts

???> JBJ

???> Wright/Leon/Smith

 

How many can we realistically expect to do so?

 

[Emp9]

You folks can argue about what you think Betts is worth and for how many years. No one here knows nor does anyone really know what John Henry will pay to keep him. At some point, they will sit down with Mookie and find out just how much it will take to keep him and how many years as well. I would be stunned if he gets away. He is a great young baseball talent for sure but that is only part of it. His smile, his attitude, and the way he approaches the game make him the face of this franchise. You want kids to come to the games dragging their parents along Betts is the one who can draw them. As long as he is in Boston, he will bring in the big money.

 

What?.. like stock options, part owner, a street, his own action figure, his own headphone brand? Yeah whatever it takes. I don’t care. All the above and contract just short of Trout’s. Sure. Let’s get this done already

[cp176]

What?.. like stock options, part owner, a street, his own action figure, his own headphone brand? Yeah whatever it takes. I don’t care. All the above and contract just short of Trout’s. Sure. Let’s get this done already

 

yup and it might not even be short of Trout's. Trout is a special one for sure. It is just too bad that he plays out there on the left coast. I'm beginning to think though that our guy might not be behind anyone.

[cp176]

Mookie is on track to be one of the all time greats. He is a special player. Do not compare him with Machado , Altuve , Harper , etc. He is a cut above all of them , with the possible exception of Trout. You do whatever it takes to keep him. Think big. Too many fans think like small time Charlies.

 

We are fortunate that our current ownership has never embraced the theory of what many of our fans think the "farm" exists for. Our lower level talent pool really does have some interesting kids there. As long as Henry keeps the club and has DD as the GM, this team competes for many many years. Let's go. Someone here said that DD traded away "elite" pieces to acquire Sale and Kimbrel. What really makes any of those traded elite? We have a young team, an excellent GM, and an owner who seems to identify with doing what it takes to win. Not just now but year after year. with respect to this elite talent (lol) that was traded away, sorry I for one am very content with the players that they were used to bring in for us.

[Slasher9]

You folks can argue about what you think Betts is worth and for how many years. No one here knows nor does anyone really know what John Henry will pay to keep him. At some point, they will sit down with Mookie and find out just how much it will take to keep him and how many years as well. I would be stunned if he gets away. He is a great young baseball talent for sure but that is only part of it. His smile, his attitude, and the way he approaches the game make him the face of this franchise. You want kids to come to the games dragging their parents along Betts is the one who can draw them. As long as he is in Boston, he will bring in the big money.

Great post. There are a ton of #50 jerseys in the stands.....

[Slasher9]

Hater.

 

Lol. There is no denying that this years team looks to be a juggernaut. I think that is why he picked up Kinsler. The parade year is right here for the taking. It will be awesome to watch it unfold....

[cp176]

Great post. There are a ton of #50 jerseys in the stands.....

 

I've really come a long way on this one. In my time as a Sox fan, got to say I have seen and enjoyed my share of great ones for sure. This guy is special. I don't think that they can slap a price tag on him. If he gets away, the cost to this franchise in today's world of declining interest in America's past time, might be too much for them to bear. He is worth that much. It'll get done.