Yankees Trade Rumors

[Carpin]

I disagree on the TOTR starter. I think we need an innings eater type to save our pen come post season. Once we get into the postseason, that innings eater or Gray (whomever is sucking the least) can “start” game 4 of any series we play with the pen rescuing them at the first sign of trouble.

 

We’re going to follow the 2015 Royals method of playoff staff management. Sevy, CC and Tanaka will get a few innings leash then will go batter by batter with the pen coming in for the rescue. The fourth slot will be filled by a “starter” who’ll get bounced after a couple innings at the first sign of trouble.

 

Also, in the playoffs, the spacing is different. You can use a reliever literally every game and they’ll still get standard rest as long as they’re only going one inning a game. As it stands, we’ve got Holder, Green, Warren, KRob, Betances, and Chapman who are all pitching well. Kahnle should be back up soon as he’s dominating in the minors again. That’ll be 7 guys with lights out stuff and numbers. We can take the game from the 3rd inning on and have our pen shut it down

 

It might work, but a lot of "if" in your model, if Tanaka pitches something close to last year playoffs, if CC can keep his dominance towards the end of the year. The safest bet, in my opinion, is to add a big game pitcher during the season, I'm not talking about Happ or Hamels type of pitcher, I'm more inclined to get a deGrom or MadBum type; I know it's a tall order and might need to give up a LOT to get either of them.

 

I don't see passing us over the Astros in a 7 games series, they have an improved rotation and their lineup is very good. I like our chances against the SOX, even if they are clicking right now, we match up good against them.

[Carpin]

Here is the reality: Right now , the Sox have a better team than the Yankees. I am sure that Cashman realizes this and will do something to try and improve his team. That will not be easy unless he agrees to deal some top young talent. He has to make that decision soon.

 

I believe he already has his mind set in what he will do, he's stubborn and doubt he deals away top talent to get what this team needs (TOTR). I trust Cashman but he might need to go out of his comfort zone on this trade market to improve the team.

[jacksonianmarch]

Here is the reality: Right now , the Sox have a better team than the Yankees. I am sure that Cashman realizes this and will do something to try and improve his team. That will not be easy unless he agrees to deal some top young talent. He has to make that decision soon.

 

Disagree with that sentiment. We’ve got two all stars returning after the break. I also think we’re better equipped for playoff baseball with our pen. That being said, the Sox go thermonuclear against bad teams and no matter who we add, we may not be able to catch them for the division

[bkzwhitestrican]

I'd be fine if they added someone like Eovaldi who can be a #4 starter. Probably wouldn't cost much and at this point anyone is an upgrade over Sonny. I don't think the need for a starter is that great unless there is a serious injury to one of our top three. Sheffield can always be called up in the second half to be the 5th starter (unless we trade him for Machado).

 

And speaking of which, the O's just said they want Sheffield in any Yankees deal for Machado. Seems like a steep price for half a year of a position player where we already have a solid starter. If Cash does feel inclined to pull off some huge trade and wipe out our farm, I hope it's for Snell or MadBum.

Edited July 11, 2018 by bkzwhitestrican

[dgalehouse]

I think it is obvious that the Yankees need at least one good starter. Gray looks like a basket case. Tanaka is simply not consistently good. They are taking a big gamble if they stick with the current rotation and count on the bullpen to save them. Look for the Sox to gradually pull away in the race.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd be fine if they added someone like Eovaldi who can be a #4 starter. Probably wouldn't cost much and at this point anyone is an upgrade over Sonny. I don't think the need for a starter is that great unless there is a serious injury to one of our top three. Sheffield can always be called up in the second half to be the 5th starter (unless we trade him for Machado).

 

And speaking of which, the O's just said they want Sheffield in any Yankees deal for Machado. Seems like a steep price for half a year of a position player where we already have a solid starter. If Cash does feel inclined to pull off some huge trade and wipe out our farm, I hope it's for Snell or MadBum.

 

 

Agreed, if we empty the farm, we get a pitcher. If we can get Manny for peanuts, we do it

 

Thing is, we will have stupid amounts of money being available. We don't need Manny this year. We might be getting him for next year plus adding a pitcher. We will reset our debt and then see $38 mil come off the books with Sabathia, KRob and Gardner moving on. We are below $190 mil as a team. We will be around $160 mil with minimal arb raises next year. We can go as high as $240 mil. We technically will have $80 mil to play with in the offseason, in addition to a 100 win team that comes back with a stocked farm and MLB ready replacements for outgoing players

Edited July 11, 2018 by jacksonianmarch

[bkzwhitestrican]

I think it is obvious that the Yankees need at least one good starter. Gray looks like a basket case. Tanaka is simply not consistently good. They are taking a big gamble if they stick with the current rotation and count on the bullpen to save them. Look for the Sox to gradually pull away in the race.

 

Might wanna slow down there friend. I'm pretty sure the Sox had an awesome run to start the year, only to relinquish their commanding division lead to the superior team in the division. This is just the second act

[bkzwhitestrican]

@BarstoolHubbs

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I would say more likely than not the Yankees are landing Machado. I don’t know if it’s today but MY GUY has told me it’s close. Don’t know package

 

Not sure how serious to take this guy.

[jacksonianmarch]

Let's look at money for next year right now in terms of predicting next year's club and what work they'll do at deadline

 

2018 AAV as it pertains to the cap

Stanton $22 mil

Tanaka $22.1 mil

Ellsbury $21.8 mil

Chapman $17.2 mil

Gardner $2 mil buyout

Gregorius Final arb year (est $12 mil)

Gray 3rd arb yr (est $7 mil)

Betances final arb year (est $8 mil)

Hicks final arb year (est 8 mil)

Kahnle second arb year (est $2 mil)

Romine final arb year (est $2.5 mil)

Severino first arb year (est $8 mil)

Bird first arb year (est $2 mil)

 

That's $135 mil in terms of non renewable contracts. There are 27 other guys should we not add anyone who would be making the minimum, so that adds $6.5 mil to the ledger. We will have an estimated budget of $141.5 mil then add in the $13-15 mil or so in benefits and we are at $155 mil. The lux tax phases up to $206 mil in 2019. We could theoretically spend $51 mil on our club in the offseason and not hit the lux tax. We could spend almost $40 mil above that before we hit the final marker. We are poised to add significantly in the FA market next year. We have approx. $16 mil to spend this year before hitting the tax. We can add anything. We could deal for Manny for peanuts then re-sign him and not lose a draft pick.

[mvp 78]

@BarstoolHubbs

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I would say more likely than not the Yankees are landing Machado. I don’t know if it’s today but MY GUY has told me it’s close. Don’t know package

 

Not sure how serious to take this guy.

 

Anyone with "Barstool" in their name can be ignored for the most part.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Anyone with "Barstool" in their name can be ignored for the most part.

 

I would generally agree. BUT Barstool was actually the first one to break news about Stanton and the Yankees before anyone even knew what was going on.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees made a “strong offer” for Machado. Cashman usually gets what he goes for. Sheffield is apparently NOT in the offer.

[Carpin]

Yankees made a “strong offer” for Machado. Cashman usually gets what he goes for. Sheffield is apparently NOT in the offer.

 

If this is true, it means that Andujar might be part of another deal for a SP, if Andujar is included in any deal it means that it's somebody really good

[Natick to NC]

No way that idiot owner in Baltimore trades Mchado to the team he hates the most .I give the man credit if he does but the hate is real .

[Carpin]

No way that idiot owner in Baltimore trades Mchado to the team he hates the most .I give the man credit if he does but the hate is real .

 

I know, for me is still a long shot.

 

But it would be a good move by the O's, they have a crappy farm and this is a nice way to start a rebuild, the rumor is that Cashman is going after Britton as insurance in the case Chapman goes down.

[jacksonianmarch]

No way that idiot owner in Baltimore trades Mchado to the team he hates the most .I give the man credit if he does but the hate is real .

 

Peter Angelos is taking a far less aggressive role in every day operations and his sons are taking over. They’re not as hard up against the Yankees as dear old Dad was. The most important thing for the Orioles is getting back the best they can get. If Manny goes to NYY and wins a title, but the package they get back ends up helping them then it’s a win win.

 

I am still perplexed as to the why, though. Our lineup is the deepest in baseball already. When Torres and Sanchez come back, we will have a 1-9 that can hurt you almost equally throughout especially with Bird showing the power bat we know he has. My guess is a Machado deal is the first domino of a larger deal to get an ace which would involve Andujar. You don’t deal top prospects for rentals, so I think Manny will come cheaper than most think. But a guy like DeGrom or Bumgarner is going to be expensive as hell

[Carpin]

Peter Angelos is taking a far less aggressive role in every day operations and his sons are taking over. They’re not as hard up against the Yankees as dear old Dad was. The most important thing for the Orioles is getting back the best they can get. If Manny goes to NYY and wins a title, but the package they get back ends up helping them then it’s a win win.

 

I am still perplexed as to the why, though. Our lineup is the deepest in baseball already. When Torres and Sanchez come back, we will have a 1-9 that can hurt you almost equally throughout especially with Bird showing the power bat we know he has. My guess is a Machado deal is the first domino of a larger deal to get an ace which would involve Andujar. You don’t deal top prospects for rentals, so I think Manny will come cheaper than most think. But a guy like DeGrom or Bumgarner is going to be expensive as hell

 

I have a feeling that Cashman might be inclined to move Didi instead of Andujar, hope not but it's one of them for sure if he lands Machado. Or he's simply covering third base to deal Andujar away for a top of the rotation guy.

 

Now that you mentioned the Angelos family, looks a lot like the Steinbrenner, as soon as The Boss moved away the sons treated the team more as a business, not a lot of "visceral" moves after he left, hope the same happens with the O's

[moonslav59]

No way that idiot owner in Baltimore trades Mchado to the team he hates the most .I give the man credit if he does but the hate is real .

 

Think of it this way: the O's are out of it this year but hope they can compete in years to come.

 

Trading 2 months of Machado does nothing to hurt their odds this year. Their chances are already zero.

 

My trading Machado to NYY, they not only strengthen their long term future- they weaken NY's by taking some of their best young talent away.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Supposedly the Yankees offer for Machado was Clint Frazier, Erik Swanson, and Chance Adams. Yankees refuse to include Sheffield in any deal for him.

 

I'd rather just wait until 2019 to get Machado.

[Carpin]

Supposedly the Yankees offer for Machado was Clint Frazier, Erik Swanson, and Chance Adams. Yankees refuse to include Sheffield in any deal for him.

 

I'd rather just wait until 2019 to get Machado.

 

I don't think they included Frazier in the offer, maybe if Britton is included, but not only for Machado.

[dgalehouse]

Supposedly the Yankees offer for Machado was Clint Frazier, Erik Swanson, and Chance Adams. Yankees refuse to include Sheffield in any deal for him.

 

I'd rather just wait until 2019 to get Machado.

Might not happen. If Machado goes to the Dodgers and likes it in L.A. , he might re up with them. It is an attractive market and they have the money.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Supposedly the Yankees offer for Machado was Clint Frazier, Erik Swanson, and Chance Adams. Yankees refuse to include Sheffield in any deal for him.

 

I'd rather just wait until 2019 to get Machado.

 

What a crappy offer. Once again, Cashman can't make a trade without squeezing the other team to death. It is kind of interesting that Frazier shows up in every Yankees offer (according to rumors, the Yankees offered Frazier and Adams for Cole; the Pirates turned them down). Let's see if the Orioles are gullible enough to do it.

 

On the topic of Frazier, are there issues with his LF defense? I saw both games of the double hitter the other day and he played an awful LF, terrible jumps, instincts, and angles. I'm not sure if the two games were an anomaly or if he truly profiles as a below average LF.

 

I don't think they included Frazier in the offer, maybe if Britton is included, but not only for Machado.

 

According to this report, the Orioles want Sheffield, the Yankees are pushing Frazier:

https://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2018/07/mlb_trade_rumors_orioles_machado_yankees_sheffield.html

Edited July 12, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[bkzwhitestrican]

What a crappy offer. Once again, Cashman can't make a trade without squeezing the other team to death. It is kind of interesting that Frazier shows up in every Yankees offer (according to rumors, the Yankees offered Frazier and Adams for Cole; the Pirates turned them down). Let's see if the Orioles are gullible enough to do it.

 

On the topic of Frazier, are there issues with his LF defense? I saw both games of the double hitter the other day and he played an awful LF, terrible jumps, instincts, and angles. I'm not sure if the two games were an anomaly or if he truly profiles as a below average LF.

 

 

 

According to this report, the Orioles want Sheffield, the Yankees are pushing Frazier:

https://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2018/07/mlb_trade_rumors_orioles_machado_yankees_sheffield.html

 

Frazier is definitely a bat first OFer. He is pretty raw defensively but has the speed to be an above average corner OFer.

[Station 13]

I'm prepared to laugh at the O's hard for screwing this up. It is inevitable

[jacksonianmarch]

What a crappy offer. Once again, Cashman can't make a trade without squeezing the other team to death. It is kind of interesting that Frazier shows up in every Yankees offer (according to rumors, the Yankees offered Frazier and Adams for Cole; the Pirates turned them down). Let's see if the Orioles are gullible enough to do it.

 

On the topic of Frazier, are there issues with his LF defense? I saw both games of the double hitter the other day and he played an awful LF, terrible jumps, instincts, and angles. I'm not sure if the two games were an anomaly or if he truly profiles as a below average LF.

 

 

 

According to this report, the Orioles want Sheffield, the Yankees are pushing Frazier:

https://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2018/07/mlb_trade_rumors_orioles_machado_yankees_sheffield.html

 

You clearly don't know anything about our minor leaguers.

[jacksonianmarch]

One had to remember that Machado is a rental. A rental that doesn't even come with draft pick compensation due to the trade. We bilked two desperate teams in 2016, one of them on a rental. We aren't a desperate team. We have a bright present and future. We don't have to blink and deal the farm.

 

Chance Adams is a big price to pay for Machado. I know the kid is having a rough first half, but his stuff is top end and he isn't even on a 40 man yet. Swanson has high velocity and has been destroying our system before he got hurt. He's on a rehab assignment, so it isn't like he is damaged goods. Frazier is a top prospect who has done nothing but absolutely rake in AAA at a young age. The kid shouldn't be dealt for a rental

[Carpin]

I'm prepared to laugh at the O's hard for screwing this up. It is inevitable

 

Start laughing, some reports say that neither Frazier or Sheffield are included in the offer

[jacksonianmarch]

They shouldn't be. Machado is going to go for far less than most people realize. JD was dealt last year for 3 guys outside of the top 10 in a weak Arizona farm system. Rentals don't have value, especially when you can no longer get a pick for them

[Station 13]

They shouldn't be. Machado is going to go for far less than most people realize. JD was dealt last year for 3 guys outside of the top 10 in a weak Arizona farm system. Rentals don't have value, especially when you can no longer get a pick for them

 

It all depends on if a team is trying to win. Cubs gave up much more for a reliever.

[Carpin]

I agree, Machado should be far cheaper than most people realize, he's a 3 months rental and very expensive.

 

Still thing it won't happen unles the Yanks have deal ready including Andujar