Yankees Trade Rumors

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Now that the Yankees have graduated a few prospects, their minor league system is pretty thin. To get a guy like Degrom, they will have to build a deal around major league talent, probably Andujar. There is no one in their minor system that can bring back a pitcher like Degrom. C.Adams pretty much sucks; Florial (injured) has tools but has contact issues; that leaves Sheffield who doesn't profile as anything more than a middle of the rotation starter.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=nyy

 

Cashman isn't trading Torres but will he trade Andujar or will he try to squeeze another team in a trade? He offered C.Adams and C.Frazier for G.Cole, one of Cashman's biggest mistakes. If he gave the Pirates a fair offer for Cole, and included Andujar, Cole would be a Yankee right now.

Edited July 2, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

You’re an idiot.

[jacksonianmarch]

Chance Adams still has worth. It’s fallen a bit, but he’s still showing lights out stuff. His location has fallen a bit

 

Domingo Acevedo has been good since h came back. Nobody throws harder

 

Domingo German could bring back something solid. He’s shown elite stuff with typical rookie inconsistency

 

Same can be said for Loaisiga

 

Clint Frazier has been awesome all year this year. I hope we don’t move him, but he can headline a package.

 

Sheffield is one of the best prospects in baseball. He’s left handed, tops out at 98mph and throws a plus slider and change. He’s shown much better location. He’s got ace potential.

 

Dillon Tate has been solid in AA and came into the year with much fanfare after a good 2017

 

Trevor Stephan has moved up to AA with solid two pitch mix. If his change comes along, he’ll be a heck of a prospect

 

Matt Sauer, Luis Medina and Roansy Contreras have shown lights out stuff in the lower levels a la Jorge Guzman and he got us Stanton.

 

Florial will be back next month, so it’s not like he’s missing a full year. He can headline a package too

 

Our position player side is thinner than it had been as we have graduated a lot of all star level players. But we’ve got pitching to spare and they can headline any deal. The question is whether we want to

[moonslav59]

I have to side with Jacko on this one. The Yanks farm system is far from "thin".

 

Not only do they have top national prospects, they have a deep system, especially with pitching.

 

I'd swap our system for theirs in a heartbeat.

[jacksonianmarch]

I have to side with Jacko on this one. The Yanks farm system is far from "thin".

 

Not only do they have top national prospects, they have a deep system, especially with pitching.

 

I'd swap our system for theirs in a heartbeat.

 

We’ve got Sheff and Florial who will still be top 50 come seasons end. Frazier would be top 50 if he didn’t exhaust his rookie eligibility. Drury is also part of the system as he’s been on the shuttle since being Pipp’d.

 

We’ve got oodles of pitching. Abreu will likely still be a top 100 guy on stuff alone. I expect Medina to crack the top 100 as well. Rare to see an 18 year old sit at 100 mph.

 

Think about this. Loaisiga and German were not top national prospects and both have found varying degrees of success in the majors. We’ve got a ton of guys who won’t hit the top 100 radar but will have quality big league careers. The pitching is insane in this system and it will bear fruit or bear trades. I’m just not sure I like the idea of parting with a kid who could be a rotation fixture going forward for a Happ type

[moonslav59]

We’ve got Sheff and Florial who will still be top 50 come seasons end. Frazier would be top 50 if he didn’t exhaust his rookie eligibility. Drury is also part of the system as he’s been on the shuttle since being Pipp’d.

 

We’ve got oodles of pitching. Abreu will likely still be a top 100 guy on stuff alone. I expect Medina to crack the top 100 as well. Rare to see an 18 year old sit at 100 mph.

 

Think about this. Loaisiga and German were not top national prospects and both have found varying degrees of success in the majors. We’ve got a ton of guys who won’t hit the top 100 radar but will have quality big league careers. The pitching is insane in this system and it will bear fruit or bear trades. I’m just not sure I like the idea of parting with a kid who could be a rotation fixture going forward for a Happ type

 

I'm not sure you be so kind with your wording, if German was a Sox pitcher.

 

He had a pretty strong first 6 appearances, including his first GS, and he did okay his last outing, but his middle 8 appearances have been worse than a disaster.

 

43 IP

31 ER (6.49 ERA)

34 H

12 BB (1.48 WHIP)

4 HBP (1.61 WHHBPIP)

 

 

 

[jacksonianmarch]

You cannot just cherry pick away the good stuff, though. German's season overall shows very strong peripherals. 10.5K/9IP, 2.9BB/9IP and a 4.17FIP and 3.57xFIP. He has been inconsistent in the zone which is why his ERA is 5.32. His mix of stuff (95mph average FB, curve and change mix), K rate and ability to avoid the walk points towards a much better pitcher. His HR rate is very inflated as well compared to what he did in the minors (2.5 times the amount he averaged in the minors) which is likely why the ERA is up where it is.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Yanks still have a top 10 farm system even with a bunch of the top guys graduating to the big leagues. But with that said, there's probably only 2 or 3 players who could headline a package for a valuable starter. Frazier (who technically isn't a prospect anymore) and Sheffield are the two. And maybe Florial, but he's far away from the bigs and injured. Regarding Chance Adams, it's looking like last year was the time to sell high on him. He won't fetch much now so it's probably best for the Yanks to hang onto him and let him try to rebuild his value.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks still have a top 10 farm system even with a bunch of the top guys graduating to the big leagues. But with that said, there's probably only 2 or 3 players who could headline a package for a valuable starter. Frazier (who technically isn't a prospect anymore) and Sheffield are the two. And maybe Florial, but he's far away from the bigs and injured. Regarding Chance Adams, it's looking like last year was the time to sell high on him. He won't fetch much now so it's probably best for the Yanks to hang onto him and let him try to rebuild his value.

 

In terms of headliners, Florial, Frazier, Drury, and Sheff are the only guys who can headline a major deal. That being said, I don't think the Yankees are in on any major deals. I don't see the Yankees giving up the type of package the Mets are looking for in exchange for Degrom or Thor. I don't see the Giants dealing off MadBum until his value returns. I don't want Hamels at all. Happ has not been pitching well of late, and at his best, isn't a guy you throw at the beginning of a rotation

 

That being said, a guy like Chance Adams can definitely get it done for Happ. Adams has been better since June started. 26.2IP 21H 10ER 11BB 27K 3.37ERA 1.24WHIP. His command has not been there this year, but his K rate is still high and his stuff is still good. Need to see more from him down the stretch to rebuild value

Edited July 2, 2018 by jacksonianmarch

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The Yankees don't have the pieces in the farm system to trade for a pitcher like Degrom. They have the pieces for Hamels but not Degrom. To get Degrom, the Yankees will need to part with Andujar or Torres. Since the Yankees aren't trading Torres, that leaves Andujar as the only reasonable way to acquire Degrom. C.Adams and C.Frazier just don't have enough trade value to bring back a stud pitcher. They would be decent add-ons in a trade, but they aren't going to be a centerpiece. Sheffield is a nice prospect, but he doesn't profile as an ace. A fair deal for Degrom would be built around Andujar and Sheffield with another prospect included.

 

This isn't the time for Cashman to get cheap and squeeze another team, his leading philosophy of life. He got burned when he tried to do that with G.Cole. He needs to be aggressive and acquire Degrom. Once the Yankees obtain Degrom, they are easily the favorites to go all the way.

 

In contrast, if the Yankees acquire a guy like Happ or Hamels, I'm not sure if they move in front of the Red Sox or Astros.

Edited July 3, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

You’re an idiot

[Fan_since_Boggs]

You're a troll. You're a Yankees fan who posts on a Red Sox forum -- that says it all, dummy. Edited July 3, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

You’re an idiot

[jacksonianmarch]

To be fair, we don't have the prospect stock we did when Torres, Andujar, Judge, Sanchez, Austin, Severino, Holder etc were in the system. But we went from a top 3 system to a top 10 system while graduating many guys with all star futures. We have the prospect stock to deal for ANYONE. Don't be fooled or be a fool as FsB seems to want to be. Of all the teams looking for upgrades, the Yanks are only behind the Braves in minor league draft capital. And while we only have 3 guys left in the minors with top 100 billing (Frazier, Sheffield, Abreu), we have a TON of guys who will be knocking on that door. The only interesting part is that most of it is pitching. Our offense has graduated Sanchez, Bird, Torres, Andujar, and Judge. 2 have been all stars already. I anticipate all 5 will spend at least one mid summer night's classic in uniform. The major offensive prospects are:

 

1. Clint Frazier- 23 yr old OFer who is slashing .302/.379/.542 in AAA has only helped his stock. He is probably not as reachable as others on this list since he is slated for LF next yr with Gardner moving on

2. Estevan Florial- 20 yr old CFer who was slashing .246/.353/.343 in A+ before breaking his hamate and having surgery. Should be back within a month. He's a 5 tool, top notch prospect who will stay in CF. He was young for his league before getting hurt

3. Brandon Drury- 25yr old IFer who was slashing .314/.419/.488 in AAA before his recent callup. Was headed for starting 3b duty before migraines shut him down. Can play a league average 2b and above average 3b. Can hit for power and average. Might not be as good a headliner as the prior 2, but will slide into a starting role on acquisition on the big league club

4. Billy McKinney- 23 yr old OFer, who is slashing .240/.302/.548 in AAA. Had a cup of coffee in the Bronx before getting hurt. Once back, he has hit 11HR in 38 games. He's a power hitting OFer capable of playing the corners well and CF in a pinch. He is MLB ready

5. Thairo Estrada- 22 yr old IFer who was slashing .192/.210/.231 before hitting the DL. He was shot in the offseason and ended up making it back. He needed more time to recover. Prospect status is down right now due to injury. When right, he is a .300 hitter with good speed and great defensive chops.

6. Tyler Wade- 23 yr old SS who is slashing .271/.333/.374 in AAA. Has had two short big league stints that were not successful. Has 30 SB potential, not a lot of power and the capability but not the production to this point to hit .300

7. Tyler Austin- 26 yr old 1B who was OPS'ing .751 when sent down from the majors and was OPS'ing .870 before an injury sent him to the DL. Has the power to be a 25HR hitter in the bigs. Would immediately step in to a big league roster when back from DL

 

There are other offensive guys in system, most notably at the lower levels who could return something, but wouldn't be significant names due to lack of proximity. Admittedly, beyond Florial and Frazier, the list is thinner but isn't bereft of depth. We wouldn't get a DeGrom with a position player only package. I didn't include recent INTL or draft signees

 

The pitching side is where it's at.

 

1. Justus Sheffield is killing AAA and is ready for prime time

2. Chance Adams started off poorly but has come on of late

3. Erik Swanson demolished AA before coming up to AAA and then ending up on the DL

4. Albert Abreu was holding his own in High A before ending up on the DL

5. Domingo Acevedo is back after a couple injuries and is pitching very well in AA

6. Luis Medina hasn't started well, but he is 18 and has a true ace arsenal

7. Matt Sauer has been dominant in the early stages of his career

8. Dillon Tate has learned how to put people away in AA. His stuff is special.

9. Trevor Stephan dominated A+ ball and while he is still striking people out at a high clip, he isn't doing well in AA.

10. Rony Garcia has been very good in long season as a 20 yr old with sick stuff

11. Nick Nelson has been dominating all season

12. Nick Green has shown power with middling command

13. Deivi Garcia is 19 and has struck out 31 in 19.2IP since he came up from EST. Big time stuff

14. Cody Carroll is a closer in waiting. He has been dominant

15. JP Feyereisen has closer stuff, just needs some more command

 

There are plenty more, just these guys are the top tier. That doesn't include German or Loaisiga who had been in the rotation.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

You're a stupid troll. Why don't you find a Yankees forum and get out of here. Oh, that's right, you don't want to find a Yankees forum, you would rather stay in a Red Sox forum so that you can troll.

 

The prospects you list aren't good enough to bring back 2 and 1/2 years of control of one of the best pitchers in baseball (Degrom). If you don't know that, you must be dumb.

 

Look what Cashman did with Cole. He tried to acquire him by offering second rate prospects like C.Adams and Frazier. How did that work out, dummy?

[jacksonianmarch]

You’re an idiot

[Fan_since_Boggs]

jacksonianmarch believes the Yankees can acquire Degrom by giving the Mets C.Frazier and C.Adams. Yeah, that's really going to happen. . . .

 

You're living on planet delusional, dummy.

[jacksonianmarch]

Never said that. It’ll take a package of Frazier, Adams and Loaisiga to get them talking. Would likely need a fourth piece

[moonslav59]

Get them talking by starting with Sanchez, Torres or Andujar.

 

Maybe Torreyes, Frazier, Adams and Loaisiga would work.

[Slasher9]

General Washington said it best....f*** the Yankees....

[a700hitter]

A friend of mine and long time season ticket holder, told me that the Yankees will lose up to 7 prospects under Rule V in December if they don't trade some of them. I expect the Yankees will be wheeling and dealing to maximize the value of these guys before they lose them.

[jacksonianmarch]

We lost 5 last season and all returned. I do agree that we need to deal away some guys. I just don’t know if we should deal from the top and get a marquee name or from the bottom and system build with more IFA money and a starter like Happ. We literally need nothing else beyond a single starter

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Never said that. It’ll take a package of Frazier, Adams and Loaisiga to get them talking. Would likely need a fourth piece

 

Why would the Mets have any interest in C.Frazier? They already have a glut of corner outfielders. Cespedes and Bruce (immovable contracts) to go along with younger players in Conforto and Brandon Nimmo. Moreover, with Peter Alonso looking more and more like the future Met 1b, the organization has considered moving D.Smith to a corner outfield position.

 

The Mets need a CF, a 3b of the future (Frazier isn't the long term answer and the Mets can probably trade him if necessary--only signed through 2019), a 2b, and a catcher. The last thing they need is Clint Frazier.

 

If the Mets trade Degrom, they will likely expect to receive several pitching prospects to go along with a position player. They aren't going to settle for a team's second rate pitching prospects. The Yankees best pitching prospect is Sheffield--it isn't Adams and it isn't Loaisiga. To get one of the best SPs in baseball, who is also under control for 2 and 1/2 years, the Yankees will have to give up some valuable pieces. They can't just unload a bunch of B prospects for Degrom.

 

To put together a reasonable deal, you have to consider the needs of the other team, not just the needs of the Yankees. You shouldn't be calling anyone an "idiot," not after posting an absolutely absurd trade proposal for Degrom that has no basis in reality.

[Carpin]

Why would the Mets have any interest in C.Frazier? They already have a glut of corner outfielders. Cespedes and Bruce (immovable contracts) to go along with younger players in Conforto and Brandon Nimmo. Moreover, with Peter Alonso looking more and more like the future Met 1b, the organization has considered moving D.Smith to a corner outfield position.

 

The Mets need a CF, a 3b of the future (Frazier isn't the long term answer and the Mets can probably trade him if necessary--only signed through 2019), a 2b, and a catcher. The last thing they need is Clint Frazier.

 

If the Mets trade Degrom, they will likely expect to receive several pitching prospects to go along with a position player. They aren't going to settle for a team's second rate pitching prospects. The Yankees best pitching prospect is Sheffield--it isn't Adams and it isn't Loaisiga. To get one of the best SPs in baseball, who is also under control for 2 and 1/2 years, the Yankees will have to give up some valuable pieces. They can't just unload a bunch of B prospects for Degrom.

 

To put together a reasonable deal, you have to consider the needs of the other team, not just the needs of the Yankees. You shouldn't be calling anyone an "idiot," not after posting an absolutely absurd trade proposal for Degrom that has no basis in reality.

 

I agree with you on some of this, for the Yankees to get deGrom it might take the next:

 

1st: Florial or Frazier, most of us are a little down on Frazier but I believe is not the same with the people who makes decisions and Florial upside is appealing

2nd: Sheffield or Loaisiga, some people didn't know who Loaisiga was before this season, but the Yankees decided to protect him in the Rule 5 draft, his value is much higher than people realize

3rd: Adams, his value is down but at least he will be a good BP arm, at his best he could be a 2-3 SP

4th: that's a tough one but Torreyes could be the wild card for this trade or they might want a player with big upside in the lower minors like Medina.

 

Package 1: Florial, Sheffield, Adams & Torreyes or Medina

Package 2: Frazier, Loaisiga, Adams & Torreyes or Medina

 

I just don't see Cashman dealing Torres or Andujar

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Package 1: Florial, Sheffield, Adams & Torreyes or Medina

 

This is getting closer to a fair deal, and opens the door for a discussion. Florial is a CF and so fills a huge need for the Mets. Problem is, Florial is such a boom or bust prospect (contact issues)--it would depend on the Mets internal evaluations. Unless I missed something, I don't see the Mets having an interest in Toorreyes. Adams and Medina are nice additions, but I don't know if they are good enough to carry the trade over the finish line.

 

I'm not making this trade if I'm the Mets. I would rather wait to see if I can get a better offer for Degrom in the offseason. I'm also not a big believer in Florial. But if O.Minaya has a lot of power within the organization, and has some kind of fetish for Florial, maybe this offer would be good enough. The fact that Florial isn't playing now is extremely problematic--we can't evaluate his progress when it comes to the contact issue and that makes it harder to sign off on him.

 

If I'm the Mets, my counter offer would be Degrom and T.Frazier for Andujar, Sheffield, and either Adams or Medina. The Mets need a future 3b as well as a future CF. I want Andujar over Florial.

Edited July 5, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Carpin]

This is getting closer to a fair deal, and opens the door for a discussion. Florial is a CF and so fills a huge need for the Mets. Problem is, Florial is such a boom or bust prospect (contact issues)--it would depend on the Mets internal evaluations. Unless I missed something, I don't see the Mets having an interest in Toorreyes. Adams and Medina are nice additions, but I don't know if they are good enough to carry the trade over the finish line.

 

I'm not making this trade if I'm the Mets. I would rather wait to see if I can get a better offer for Degrom in the offseason. I'm also not a big believer in Florial. But if O.Minaya has a lot of power within the organization, and has some kind of fetish for Florial, maybe this offer would be good enough. The fact that Florial isn't playing now is extremely problematic--we can't evaluate his progress when it comes to the contact issue and that makes it harder to sign off on him.

 

If I'm the Mets, my counter offer would be Degrom and T.Frazier for Andujar, Sheffield, and either Adams or Medina. The Mets need a future 3b as well as a future CF. I want Andujar over Florial.

 

Think of the Sale trade, I guess we agree that Sale >> deGrom, they have similar control years 3 to 2.5 with Sale with a better track record, he was basically a safer bet to trade for, the Sox gave the following

 

Sale for Moncada, Kopech, Basabe and Diaz, at the time of the trade Moncada was BA No. 3, Kopech No. 32, the other two not ranked.

 

If Sale is much better than deGrom at the time of the trade it means that Florial BA No. 38 & Sheffield No. 41 plus to minor pieces it's a fair trade proposal for deGrom, we might not need to include Medina at all.

 

Based on that a very good package would be Florial, Sheffield & Adams (BA No. 81). By the way, I doubt Cashman gives that much for deGrom.

[jacksonianmarch]

Florial went 2 for 2 today on rehab assignment in the GCL with a SB

[jacksonianmarch]

That loser Frazier went 3 for 4 with 2 bombs today driving his OPS up to .979 in AAA. He sucks

[OH FOY]

If I were the Yanks all you need is Happ. Months of Aug. and Sept. he's 41-27 with a 3.40 ERA, almost gets stronger as season progresses.

He does good in AL East too, not only does he pitch against the Sox, he pitches good against you too. Orioles he does good, just Tampa a little problem. Handles himself in Post-Season.

Get him on your side down the stretch, so you don't face him, and wont cost too much in Prospects.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's what I am thinking. I doubt the Mets deal DeGrom or Thor in season. They're better off dealing in the off-season where there is more time to maneuver. Happ would be a good pickup and shouldn't cost top prospects

 

Another rumor I have read about was the Yanks getting Moustakas to play 1b. Not sure he's that big of an improvement as Bird is only about 60 points below him in OPS right now and that's at his nadir.