Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[jung]

Moose drew short money in KC on a one year deal. But they want young talent. If nobody is interested in a 3rd baseman at the deadline, maybe they would take just about anything for him. But with his bat and ability to play 1st as well, I have got to believe somebody will be able to make KC a better offer than we can.

[sk7326]

The Red Sox are on a 108 win pace. They have been .500 against the very best of the AL ... in other words, about what you'd expect. They could use another guy - although the guys they have now really are capable of playing a bit better.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox are on a 108 win pace. They have been .500 against the very best of the AL ... in other words, about what you'd expect. They could use another guy - although the guys they have now really are capable of playing a bit better.

Pace means nothing.

[Natick to NC]

Ok let's get to the brass tacks of it .Mitch at first as a late inning guy is a wonderful thing but we need a true starter there and we need a true second baseman .Scooter is my target at second who is the Starter at first ? Do we ride with Mitch all year even though he's already falling off a cliff ?the last few weeks .What if we did land say Scooter Gennette could a Devers ,Xander ,Scooter ,Moose be had ? Say trading Beeks and A flier for Moose and JBJ ,Pom for Scooter ? ....Maybe Hanley has an agreement with the Redsox we don't know about ? Edited June 20, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

Ok let's get to the brass tacks of it .Mitch at first as a late inning guy is a wonderful thing but we need a true starter there and we need a true second baseman .Scooter is my target at second who is the Starter at first ? Do we ride with Mitch all year even though he's already falling off a cliff ?the last few weeks .What if we did land say Scooter Gennette could a Devers ,Xander ,Scooter ,Moose be had ? Say trading Beeks and A flier for Moose and JBJ ,Pom for Scooter ? ....Maybe Hanley has an agreement with the Redsox we don't know about ?

 

Pom for Scooter?

 

You're high.

 

Pom is a rental and may not pitch this year.

 

The Reds will want top young talent.

 

WE DON'T HAVE ANY we can part with.

 

Get over it. We are NOT GETTING anyone big.

[jacksonianmarch]

Slav, I’m pretty sure the yanks can get Trout for Torreyes, Shreve, Guidry and the March 1998 Maxim issue with Alyssa Milano on the cover. Pretty sure we can get that done.

[oldtimer]

Pom for Scooter?

 

You're high.

 

Pom is a rental and may not pitch this year.

 

The Reds will want top young talent.

 

WE DON'T HAVE ANY we can part with.

 

Get over it. We are NOT GETTING anyone big.

 

The Sox are wearing rose colored glasses if they really believe Pedey can come back and be an everyday player this year. The idea of aiming high for Gennette is a good one. Maybe young pitching and Chavis, our #1 listed prospect might do or throw in Travis. If something like that won't do it, back away.

[notin]

Chavis is worthless until he can prove 2017 was not the result of performance-enhancing drugs. Travis is not someone the Reds will not target since Votto's contract doesn't expire until the Earth crashes into the sun...

[jacksonianmarch]

Gennett also happens to be one of the best players in baseball, so you're not getting him for nothing. He also has one more year of team control. With Groome neutralized and Chavis useless in terms of return, you don't have enough to get Gennett without giving up a Devers

[Jack Flap]

Get over it. We are NOT GETTING anyone big.

 

 

Say it again for the ones in the back!

 

Between the lack of high-end prospects and coming up against the next luxury tax level, this club has shot its wad in terms of big acquisitions. I expect we'll continue to hear some crazy rumors and proposals, but other than perhaps a Ziegler/Reed type deal for a rental setup man (which hopefully wouldn't break us, judging by what Herrera went for), I'm not expecting much.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jack, I do think the sox can nab Beltre. Beltre's market will be limited due to his age and his 10 and 5 rights. I know people seem to think Devers is on the verge of a breakout, but even in his "hottest" month, he's only reaching base 29% of the time and has only 3 bombs. He needs a breather to work on approach as he has forgotten entirely how to work a count. Even if Devers gets 2-3 weeks in the minors, it would bring him back reinvigorated offensively. Beltre would also give you a lineup extension. Beltre wont be able to play 3b every day for a prolonger period of time, but he could split time with Devers once Devers gets his act together. That time split will also be a time split at 1b and DH while pushing JDM into the OF a bit more to extend the lineup. It will add contingencies to your offense that you don't currently have.

[cp176]

But you did look ahead with the statement (opinion) about our future.

 

Again, I am fine with what DD has done. Personally, I would not have gone so far, and I'd have sought a couple different players than who we got. I was never for holding onto all or even most of our prospects.

 

I guess we disagree on how good some of our ex-prospects will end upbeing.

 

Margot

Moncada

Kopech

Espinoza

Basabe

and others

 

Again, I wasn't for keeping all these guys. I loved the Sale trade. I had hoped we'd have traded some/most of the guys we dealt for Kimbrel and Pom to get Quintana, but he's not exactly lighting things up, so what do I know? I liked Quintana, because he had more years of control (one year more than Sale).

 

I always look ahead Moon and for sure we do disagree about how good that crop of ex products might be. Guess I am a much more casual fan than you must be. I am pleased with all of those trades with the exception to the one you did not mention - Shaw. I kind of wish that we had kept him. Kind of looks like you might be looking a little to closely at what I have posted in an attempt to prove me wrong and you right. That is why a preface many of the posts I make with the classic - it's my opinion. Your opinion in the eyes of many might be stronger than mine but I'm ok with that as well.

[SoxnCycles]

Chavis is worthless until he can prove 2017 was not the result of performance-enhancing drugs. Travis is not someone the Reds will not target since Votto's contract doesn't expire until the Earth crashes into the sun...

 

Actually, the sun will expand and crash into the earth, but that's nitpicking.

[mvp 78]

Jack, I do think the sox can nab Beltre. Beltre's market will be limited due to his age and his 10 and 5 rights. I know people seem to think Devers is on the verge of a breakout, but even in his "hottest" month, he's only reaching base 29% of the time and has only 3 bombs. He needs a breather to work on approach as he has forgotten entirely how to work a count. Even if Devers gets 2-3 weeks in the minors, it would bring him back reinvigorated offensively. Beltre would also give you a lineup extension. Beltre wont be able to play 3b every day for a prolonger period of time, but he could split time with Devers once Devers gets his act together. That time split will also be a time split at 1b and DH while pushing JDM into the OF a bit more to extend the lineup. It will add contingencies to your offense that you don't currently have.

 

He's been hitting pretty well the past few weeks tho?

[jacksonianmarch]

He is hitting .326 in his last 13 games with 4 doubles and 3HR. He also has 1 walk and 12K's in that time. He's hitting better and you kinda have to ride it, but he isn't working the count and can be handled. He walked much more in the minors and didn't strike out nearly as much as he is at this juncture. His approach needs work. Maybe he could do it in the majors? If he can, then adding Beltre only helps you. It allows you to have a 3b for half the time who is elite defensively. It also allows Devers to come across the diamond and help out at 1b. It lengthens your lineup when you really need offense by moving JDM into the OF and moving JBJ to 4th OF role

[Kimmi]

Say it again for the ones in the back!

 

Between the lack of high-end prospects and coming up against the next luxury tax level, this club has shot its wad in terms of big acquisitions. I expect we'll continue to hear some crazy rumors and proposals, but other than perhaps a Ziegler/Reed type deal for a rental setup man (which hopefully wouldn't break us, judging by what Herrera went for), I'm not expecting much.

 

Spot on. Unless the Sox decide to hit that next luxury tax level, which I can't see happening, there are no big moves coming at the deadline.

 

Thankfully, our team is good to go as is.

[Kimmi]

He is hitting .326 in his last 13 games with 4 doubles and 3HR. He also has 1 walk and 12K's in that time. He's hitting better and you kinda have to ride it, but he isn't working the count and can be handled. He walked much more in the minors and didn't strike out nearly as much as he is at this juncture. His approach needs work. Maybe he could do it in the majors? If he can, then adding Beltre only helps you. It allows you to have a 3b for half the time who is elite defensively. It also allows Devers to come across the diamond and help out at 1b. It lengthens your lineup when you really need offense by moving JDM into the OF and moving JBJ to 4th OF role

 

Devers does need to improve his K/W ratio.

[OH FOY]

On Beltre cant they use cash considerations later to pay them back for taking on salary now, to keep us under the Tax? He's a rental. Going to cost you Beeks for sure as a start. Edited June 20, 2018 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

The Sox are wearing rose colored glasses if they really believe Pedey can come back and be an everyday player this year. The idea of aiming high for Gennette is a good one. Maybe young pitching and Chavis, our #1 listed prospect might do or throw in Travis. If something like that won't do it, back away.

 

It won't come close to doing it.

 

Chavis was a huge question mark before the PED discovery. Mata holds some value, but he's so young, I'm not sure how much the Reds value him. Beeks, Shawaryn, Johnson? I don't think so. Groome is hurt. We probably need to keep Velazquez to take Wright or Pom's place next year (assuming Wright becomes the #5).

 

I seriously doubt we have the prospects needed to get Scooter, and besides, do we really want to trade away the remaining best 3-4 prospects and totally ruin any chance at getting the youth infusion we will need around 2020 or 2021 and beyond?

 

I still think we'll make the type of trades we made last summer- A Reed and E Nunez.

 

[OH FOY]

OBP is good if you drive in the runs. Otherwise LOB is stat that works with OBP.

[Kimmi]

As I posted before, this year's trade deadline will be an extreme buyer's market. There will be a lot of sellers and very few buyers. We may be surprised at how little it will take to acquire players, especially 2 month rentals.

[jung]

Other than stiffening the pen which everybody does because they can before deadline, I think their done. Too much evidence that they are done testing the lux tax further than they have, too little to use as trade chips. Nasty combination unless you are looking for some pen help. Heck even there given the number of starters teams usually use post season these days, some of the added pen help is probably already on this team.

 

Is there the chance they are stuck in a play-in game?. There absolutely is and I hate it. One of these days it will dawn on the business managers of baseball that they are denigrating the value of the 162 when a team can win over 90 games and ends up in a 1 game play-in. Why should I fork over my $40-$100 a seat to watch one of these 162 gems, these beauties MLB pushes out there.

[OH FOY]

With Beltre all you need is stay under the Tax. Wink, wink, kind of deal with the Rangers. He hits Lefties great, plays enough 3rd base, against Lefties, Righties DH's, JDM to Outfield, JBJ in for Defensive replacement, later in the game.

Might help out Devers too, as a Mentor, even for short time.

[moonslav59]

On Beltre cant they use cash considerations later to pay them back for taking on salary now, to keep us under the Tax? He's a rental. Going to cost you Beeks for sure as a start.

 

We have less than $2M to spend this summer. Beltre will be owed about $6M at the deadline. We might need the Rangers to pay about $4.5M out of the $6M to make it work for us. We'd have to sweeten the pot to get them to do that. Other teams can offer a lot without demanding money.

 

Another choice could be to shed some salary before acquiring salary, or to trade someone like JBJ for Beltre. JBJ would have about $2M owed to him, so Texas would only have to pay $2.5M not $4.5M.

 

On the $40M penalty level: It's really not as bad as it might seem to be. We're already paying a big tax on the $38M we are spending over the limit. The tax on a few million more is not a deal breaker. The draft pick penalty of moving down 10 slots may seem like a deal breaker, but is moving down from 27th to 37th really a horrible thing?

 

There are some options, but creating new holes in our system to patch one we think is too big to overcome is not what I think is a good strategy.

 

[OH FOY]

Who's looking for a 38 year old 3rd baseman who is going to be a FA? What teams? Edited June 20, 2018 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

With Moustakas out there to deal, might be who teams might look at more then Beltre.

[moonslav59]

I always look ahead Moon and for sure we do disagree about how good that crop of ex products might be. Guess I am a much more casual fan than you must be. I am pleased with all of those trades with the exception to the one you did not mention - Shaw. I kind of wish that we had kept him. Kind of looks like you might be looking a little to closely at what I have posted in an attempt to prove me wrong and you right. That is why a preface many of the posts I make with the classic - it's my opinion. Your opinion in the eyes of many might be stronger than mine but I'm ok with that as well.

 

Of course our statements are just opinions, and I'm not sure if we should have to preface every statement with, "In my opinion..."

 

To me, it's really not even about whether our ex-prospects do well or not. I'd have traded most of them anyway, but for different players.

 

I'm happy DD created a 4-5 year window, but I wish some of the players we traded for had more than 2.5 (Pom) or 3 years (Kimbrel) of team control.

 

I realize my "wish" might not have been possible,but that's what we are here to talk about: ideas, alternative ideas and what not.

[moonslav59]

Who's looking for a 38 year old 3rd baseman who is going to be a FA? What teams?

 

A contending team not up against the luxury tax limit. Without putting much thought into it, here's a list of teams with their 3B OPS to date:

 

.645 LAA

.678 SEA

.701 WSH

.720 BOS

.736 AZ

 

How about DH?

.760 CLE

.764 LAA

[OH FOY]

Cleveland has Encarcion at DH. I don't see that, Angels probably want to go 3rd baseman, I can see Moustakas going there. Washington has a good 3rd baseman there now. Rendon.

Teams might go all out and go for Machado and move him back to 3rd.

Texas getting anything for him, would be a win-win for them.

Just throwing this out there. He would be a good Vet, to get here.

Jackson started this and I like it.

Edited June 20, 2018 by OH FOY!

[jung]

Beltre could be worthwhile and if he is easy to grab....why not. If for no other reason than to help Devers. I would not see that as a critical move. But I would see it as a nice move. We would not have our eyes further assaulted by Swihart for one thing. Edited June 20, 2018 by jung