Hanley DFA’d

[a700hitter]

He's not a bad closer, but he's not the best closer in baseball to those that think so

Who is better?

[Bellhorn04]

What do the numbers say?

 

I don't even need to look it up to know his save conversion rate has been somewhere around 90%, which is excellent.

[Dalas21000]

Too bad Ramirez ain't a better outfielder considering the way JBJ has hit this year

[Dalas21000]

I don't even need to look it up to know his save conversion rate has been somewhere around 90%, which is excellent.

 

I remember quite a few blown saves since he's been in Boston...not all recent..but to me he's iffy in big game situations...Yankees will probably eat him up at some point

[a700hitter]

I remember quite a few blown saves since he's been in Boston...not all recent..but to me he's iffy in big game situations...Yankees will probably eat him up at some point

You are wrong.

[Jasonbay44]

I don't know why you guys continue engaging Dalas, he's a clear troll. He's also suggested that if JD Martinez listened to him he could be a .400 hitter, suggested we should move Craig Kimbrel to a starting pitcher and wants Farrell back.

[S5Dewey]

I don't know whether to believe that story or not. I think maybe they wanted to dress it up for the players union to avoid problems. But who knows?

 

That's my take on it too. DD lost some credibility when he said that it's not about the money. OF COURSE it's about the money! Probably not about this year's money, but next year's money for sure.

 

If this whole thing came down like DD says it did with Coral initiating the DFA - something I'm not at all sure of - then you can bet that Cora didn't have to twist DD's arm very far before DD "saw the light".

 

My personal thought on it is that "someone" saw Hanley slumping and realized that now is the right time to DFA him, when they could somewhat justify it. Otherwise they could very well have an indefensible position in a lawsuit.

 

If you want to know why something happens "follow the money".

[harmony]

Who is better?

So far this year? Seattle's Edwin Diaz (and others)

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Small samples.

[jad]

Questions on Hanley's contract (maybe answered earlier).

 

(1) If the RS 'trade' him, the contract goes with him. Would that include the vesting option? (i.e., if he reaches 497 plate appearances for the year, would the RS be responsible for the 22million the next year?) If so, then trading him is out of the question. (Of course,the other team could agree to pick that up, but there would be no trading partners).

 

(2) if the RS release him, then what? If he gets picked up, the RS of course still owe him the difference between what the other team pays and the salary the RS signed him for. But what about the vesting option? Does that still apply? (i.e., one of the two teams is responsible for 22 million the next year). If so, that makes the whole thing very dicey.

 

Anyone know?

[Dalas21000]

Who is better?

 

Definitely Chapman

[a700hitter]

Questions on Hanley's contract (maybe answered earlier).

 

(1) If the RS 'trade' him, the contract goes with him. Would that include the vesting option? (i.e., if he reaches 497 plate appearances for the year, would the RS be responsible for the 22million the next year?) If so, then trading him is out of the question. (Of course,the other team could agree to pick that up, but there would be no trading partners).

 

(2) if the RS release him, then what? If he gets picked up, the RS of course still owe him the difference between what the other team pays and the salary the RS signed him for. But what about the vesting option? Does that still apply? (i.e., one of the two teams is responsible for 22 million the next year). If so, that makes the whole thing very dicey.

 

Anyone know?

Reports are that if he is not traded and just released that the vesting option goes away.

[a700hitter]

So far this year? Seattle's Edwin Diaz (and others)

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Small samples.

Yes, small samples.

[a700hitter]

Definitely Chapman

I disagree with that.

[Dalas21000]

You are wrong.

 

About?

[Dalas21000]

I disagree with that.

 

And what is your basis for that?

[a700hitter]

And what is your basis for that?

My opinion based on their career stats. What is the basis for your opinion?

[harmony]

Reports are that if he is not traded and just released that the vesting option goes away.

Hanley Ramirez, through his agent, negotiated the vesting option, which is of value to the player. I question whether the vesting option can simply disappear any more than the 2018 salary of $22 million can disappear if Ramirez signs with another club upon release.

 

Other clubs would be unlikely to sign Ramirez if the vesting option transfers over to the new club (at least until July or August when the ultimate vesting becomes unlikely). Would Ramirez have a grievance if the designation-for-assignment effectively prevented the option from vesting when he was on pace for the option to vest?

 

I hope the Red Sox contract with Ramirez addresses that specific contingency.

[harmony]

My opinion based on their career stats. What is the basis for your opinion?

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

[Dalas21000]

My opinion based on their career stats. What is the basis for your opinion?[/QUO

 

From what I'm seeing in Chapman, he looks like a lights out closer right now. Boston could not touch him this year so far. Since Kimbrel has been in Boston, I never really felt he was a lights out closer. He's good but not that good.

[Dalas21000]

My opinion based on their career stats. What is the basis for your opinion?

 

My basis is for where the two are right now....I know what Chapman did last year etc.....

[a700hitter]

My basis is for where the two are right now....I know what Chapman did last year etc.....

And I disagree with that.

[Dalas21000]

And I disagree with that.

 

Have you watched baseball this year? Have you seen Chapman shutdown Boston this year?

[a700hitter]

Have you watched baseball this year? Have you seen Chapman shutdown Boston this year?

I watch parts of almost every Yankee game.

[Jasonbay44]

Kimbrel and Chapman have pretty much been even this year, and Kimbrel was better last year..

[Dalas21000]

Kimbrel and Chapman have pretty much been even this year, and Kimbrel was better last year..

 

Chapman had a bad year last year. He looks phenomenal this year.

[Jasonbay44]

Chapman had a bad year last year. He looks phenomenal this year.

 

And Kimbrel was great last year and has been great this year..

[Dalas21000]

Aside from that, Boston has some huge shoes to fill, losing HanRam

[Dalas21000]

And Kimbrel was great last year and has been great this year..

 

He blew 2 saves so far. I'd say that's ok.....

[Jasonbay44]

He blew 2 saves so far. I'd say that's ok.....

 

One of them he came into the game in a really s***** situation because Barnes and Hembree suck.. and Chapman also has a blown save in less chances, guess he's just okay too.

[Jasonbay44]

Aside from that, Boston has some huge shoes to fill, losing HanRam

 

I agree. It is near impossible to find a 0.2 WAR player for less than 25 million, and it was near impossible to replace that -0.2 WAR he provided last year.