The Alex Cora Managerial Decision Thread

[StephenCurry30]

This is a thread where I will be discussing moves this guy makes. Farrell was an idiot, obviously, but Cora in game 1 is already making questionable decisions.

 

Chris Sale was rolling today, through 6 innings, he had allowed only 1 hit and was only at 92 pitches, he was pulled from the game.. Um, why? the game was FAR from over.

 

Now, lets fast forward to the 8th, its pretty clear early that Kelly doesn't have it. he is all over the place, s***ing the bed with explosive diarrhea, cora allows Kelly to walk the bases loaded before finally pulling him, not to bring in our lockdown closer kimbrel, but to bring in a guy carson smith, who hasn't really pitched in meaningful innings since 2015. smith looks wild the whole time, walks in a run, as this is happening, cora still doesn't warm up kimbrel, and of course, smith gives up the KO, a 3 run triple to span.

 

awful managing game 1.

[Carbo-Diem]

This is troubling especially since Cora mentioned he would not be using his closer just in the ninth but based on game situation. If ever there was a time for Kimbrel it was the eighth after Kelly loaded the bases. Someone else could have handled the ninth

[Spudboy]

But righties can get lefties and vice-versa.

 

It says so in Cora's iPad.

[mvp 78]

I too like to blame Cora for s***** Joe Kelly.

[Spudboy]

I too like to blame Cora for s***** Joe Kelly.

 

I blame Bennie Boy.

[sk7326]

It's a very long season - these are the sorts of decisions I would get angrier about later in the season. In reality the team has to be able to show they can hold a 4 run lead. Seriously, if you can't win a game like this without going to a postseason strategy, that is a problem of its own.

 

In reality - while Cora will say he will use the closer at the best time, during the slog of the season that really means the odd 4-6 out save. Do you put Kimbrel out for a 5 out save on Day 1? Carson Smith HAS to be entrusted for this job. It's a maddening loss. But it's baseball.

[StephenCurry30]

I too like to blame Cora for s***** Joe Kelly.

I never said Kelly wasn't bad, he sucked lex steele sized dicks. that doesn't mean cora gets out of this blame free for the carson smith move. kimbrel or a lefty should be facing span, not carson smith who had moments ago just walked in a run with the bases loaded...

[StephenCurry30]

It's a very long season - these are the sorts of decisions I would get angrier about later in the season. In reality the team has to be able to show they can hold a 4 run lead. Seriously, if you can't win a game like this without going to a postseason strategy, that is a problem of its own.

 

In reality - while Cora will say he will use the closer at the best time, during the slog of the season that really means the odd 4-6 out save. Do you put Kimbrel out for a 5 out save on Day 1? Carson Smith HAS to be entrusted for this job. It's a maddening loss. But it's baseball.

oh, I agree. this was pathetic effort by the bullpen, and is a larger issue than cora.

 

but kimbrel easily could've game in when bases were loaded (4-1 game and 1 out), if he gets out of it, depending on pitch count, let kimbrel get last 3 outs, or bring in someone else for 9th if he exerted too many pitches. .

[Northern Star]

It's a very long season - these are the sorts of decisions I would get angrier about later in the season. In reality the team has to be able to show they can hold a 4 run lead. Seriously, if you can't win a game like this without going to a postseason strategy, that is a problem of its own.

 

In reality - while Cora will say he will use the closer at the best time, during the slog of the season that really means the odd 4-6 out save. Do you put Kimbrel out for a 5 out save on Day 1? Carson Smith HAS to be entrusted for this job. It's a maddening loss. But it's baseball.

 

I don't bring Kimbrel in until the 9th, period. His arm will fall off otherwise.

[sk7326]

oh, I agree. this was pathetic effort by the bullpen, and is a larger issue than cora.

 

but kimbrel easily could've game in when bases were loaded (4-1 game and 1 out), if he gets out of it, depending on pitch count, let kimbrel get last 3 outs, or bring in someone else for 9th if he exerted too many pitches. .

 

You're not wrong ... and if this were late August, I'd be totally with you. But in terms of managing the roster - the human stuff, not just the analytic stuff - you almost have to ride or die with Smith there, at least on opening day. I can see both points of view here. I just sigh, shrug, and take some reassurance that Bogaerts actually hit the ball hard today.

[Examiner]

They're trying to cut back on Sale a little so he doesn't hit a wall in September like he almost always does, around 90 pitches opening day, I understood taking him out. Cora left Kelly in too long I agree, but that's not why I'd be mad if I cared enough to actually get mad. The more things change the more they stay the same, I've been saying this for years: 1. Joe Kelly is basically useless. He throws a million mph, but his ball does NOTHING even in the times he can manage to control it. He either implodes the game himself, or sets it in motion for someone else to finish up. DFA the ex-Cardinal, I've never liked him. 2. Bend over and grab your ankles against a terrible team at Tropicana, it's what we DO. Same crap, different day. Tomorrow night I'll probably get my fire pit out, listen to some audio books and completely ignore this BS. I've done it before I'll do it again.

[mvp 78]

I never said Kelly wasn't bad, he sucked lex steele sized dicks. that doesn't mean cora gets out of this blame free for the carson smith move. kimbrel or a lefty should be facing span, not carson smith who had moments ago just walked in a run with the bases loaded...

 

You realize that Kimbrel can’t pitch 162 games and can’t be warmed up immediately?

 

To me, the relievers lost the game. Hard to say how Cora will manage a pen after one game.

[Maxbialystock]

I'm as mad as I can be at Cora, but it is way, way too early for a thread like this. I think games in March are important, but you manage a little differently in early games.

[Maxbialystock]

I'm as mad as I can be at Cora, but it is way, way too early for a thread like this. I think games in March are important, but you manage a little differently in early games.

 

Actually, there is no rational basis for blaming Cora for the 8th. A manager cannot be expected to compensate for the monumental ineptitude displayed by both Kelly and Smith. Kelly gave up 3 walks and a hit, but Smith gave up a walk, a single, and a triple with the bases loaded. Bringing in your ace closer in the 8th inning of the first game of the season is simply the wrong move.

[MADSTORK]

These are the facts and the facts are undisputed!

 

Kelly Barnes Hembree average WHIP last 3 seasons 1.5 = 5million total payroll (Kelly 3.8). Gregerson despite a down year in 17, 0.9WHIP, 2 year deal 11 million. Reed 3 yr WHIP average 0.99 signs for a difference of +3.5 million? I understand Relievers are inconsistent from year to year but the 3 stooges in Boston have been a train wreck. That is not the fault of Cora, its the fault of DD not addressing the BP needs.

 

Where Cora is at Fault today is not his bullpen moves, its what Pitcher he decided to use minus Kimbrell and CSmith who I will give a pass to today only. Cora needs to find his identity as a Manager. His own Identity! If Pitchers that were not used today get shelled then so be it. Walden Maddux Poyner? Don't be afraid to use them. Lets try to find a diamond in the rough or make the GM go out and make a move for better talent than what we have seen the last few years with the stiffs DD has put in uniform.

[Natick to NC]

If sale pitches the 8th like he should have we are 1 and 0..but he's a fragile egg and they must baby him ...this is not a good approach sorry . Edited March 29, 2018 by Natick to NC

[a700hitter]

These are the facts and the facts are undisputed!

 

Kelly Barnes Hembree average WHIP last 3 seasons 1.5 = 5million total payroll (Kelly 3.8). Gregerson despite a down year in 17, 0.9WHIP, 2 year deal 11 million. Reed 3 yr WHIP average 0.99 signs for a difference of +3.5 million? I understand Relievers are inconsistent from year to year but the 3 stooges in Boston have been a train wreck. That is not the fault of Cora, its the fault of DD not addressing the BP needs.

 

Where Cora is at Fault today is not his bullpen moves, its what Pitcher he decided to use minus Kimbrell and CSmith who I will give a pass to today only. Cora needs to find his identity as a Manager. His own Identity! If Pitchers that were not used today get shelled then so be it. Walden Maddux Poyner? Don't be afraid to use them. Lets try to find a diamond in the rough or make the GM go out and make a move for better talent than what we have seen the last few years with the stiffs DD has put in uniform.

You can't let one of these sacks of s*** stay in for 3 walks and a double late in the game. Cora deserves the blame. He has all the data. He knows that these guys can blow up. You have to get these guys off the mound before they detonate and blow up the game.

[mvp 78]

If sale pitches the 8th like he should have we are 1 and 0..but he's a fragile egg and they must baby him ...this is not a good approach sorry .

 

If he pitches the 8th, I’d expect him to slump in September again.

[iortiz]

he let Kelly s*** the bed.

[MADSTORK]

You can't let one of these sacks of s*** stay in for 3 walks and a double late in the game. Cora deserves the blame. He has all the data. He knows that these guys can blow up. You have to get these guys off the mound before they detonate and blow up the game.

 

Kelly should have been released, cut, non tendered or whatever anyone wants to call it. I will agree Cora should have pulled him earlier. Again, Kelly should not be on this Roster. That my friend is the fault of the GM

[Natick to NC]

Kelly should have been released, cut, non tendered or whatever anyone wants to call it. I will agree Cora should have pulled him earlier. Again, Kelly should not be on this Roster. That my friend is the fault of the GM

 

Agree 100 percent ...we spend tons on Sale and price yet Kelly and Barnes who can't pitch on the road are our pivotal late game relief ??? They are shakey on a good day .

[Natick to NC]

If he pitches the 8th, I’d expect him to slump in September again.

 

Then he is useless

[Larry Cook]

How soon until people are calling for Farrell to return!

 

That man can maximize bullpen usage!

[jacksonianmarch]

You guys are funny. It’s just one game of 162, even though it is opening day. Already a manager thread on day 1.

[Jasonbay44]

Are you guys serious with this Kelly "shouldn't even be on the roster" ********? He was horrendous today obviously, but he was a very solid reliever last year, and teams carry 7-8 relievers. If you don't think Joe Kelly is a top 7 reliever on the Sox roster, you don't know what your talking about.

[a700hitter]

Are you guys serious with this Kelly "shouldn't even be on the roster" ********? He was horrendous today obviously, but he was a very solid reliever last year, and teams carry 7-8 relievers. If you don't think Joe Kelly is a top 7 reliever on the Sox roster, you don't know what your talking about.

Only one poster is making that case. Kelly had a bad day, but Cora left him out there to self destruct.

[Jasonbay44]

Only one poster is making that case. Kelly had a bad day, but Cora left him out there to self destruct.

 

Its not just one poster. Read this thread and the game thread. Multiple people want him off the team/are saying he shouldn't be on the team. I'm not even a Kelly fan but that is a joke lol.

[a700hitter]

Its not just one poster. Read this thread and the game thread. Multiple people want him off the team/are saying he shouldn't be on the team. I'm not even a Kelly fan but that is a joke lol.

In this thread, it is just one poster.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Melancon would be proud.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Today was the most poorly managed game of the season by Alex Cora.