A Realistic View at 2018: Part II

[OH FOY]

Hanley did everything the Sox asked him to do. To speculate that he might have quit on the field is unfair, IMO.

 

Personally, I think Hanley was very much hurt by the decision to cut him, and I can't say that I blame him. After that, taking some time off to just be with your family makes a lot of sense to me.

 

Like I said I'll be waiting for announcement on Retirement.

[Nick]

Let's end the Hanley debate. Sox did what was best for the franchise. Period. Again, let's not forget that his $22M will pay for 11 arbitration raises for 2019. That's huge.

 

If we have a 2019 budget similar to 2018 budget, we have $39M to replace Kimbrel, Pom, Kelly and Nunez. (Moon this is based on Cot's new spreadsheet for 2019 which does not have Nunez on the roster and arbitration estimates by mlb trade rumors site. I know that you have sharp eyes fro details.)

[Slasher9]

I know I stand alone, but I was sad to see Hanley go.

 

Nope. You don’t.

[OH FOY]

Then there's this. That's it for me, on Hanley.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2018/10/alex_cora_reflects_on_boston_r.html

[moonslav59]

Let's end the Hanley debate. Sox did what was best for the franchise. Period. Again, let's not forget that his $22M will pay for 11 arbitration raises for 2019. That's huge.

 

If we have a 2019 budget similar to 2018 budget, we have $39M to replace Kimbrel, Pom, Kelly and Nunez. (Moon this is based on Cot's new spreadsheet for 2019 which does not have Nunez on the roster and arbitration estimates by mlb trade rumors site. I know that you have sharp eyes fro details.)

 

Nunez is on the roster. They have him at $4M, but he's actually getting $5M due to his PA bonus kicking in. Sale's contract is not included.

 

[Kimmi]

It does show it was more about the money than a desire to play a game he loves.

 

Umm, no.

[Kimmi]

Nope. You don’t.

 

It's almost like we're twins sometimes.

[moonslav59]

Umm, no.

 

Um, yea. If he really wanted to keep playing, he could have latched on with a team somewhere.

 

He was getting his check whether he played or not, and he chose to not play.

[sk7326]

Um, yea. If he really wanted to keep playing, he could have latched on with a team somewhere.

 

He was getting his check whether he played or not, and he chose to not play.

 

in his position you have the luxury to make a decision for a good situation. Maybe that just wasn't there. There's not a ton of job openings for a DH with declining bat speed.

[Kimmi]

Um, yea. If he really wanted to keep playing, he could have latched on with a team somewhere.

 

He was getting his check whether he played or not, and he chose to not play.

 

He chose not to play. That does not show that it was more about the money than his desire to play.

[moonslav59]

He chose not to play. That does not show that it was more about the money than his desire to play.

 

The money is the same, so yes, it wasn't about the money in that sense, but he lost his desire to play.

 

My guess is, if the money was not guaranteed, and he had to play to collect the $22M, HRam would have been knocking on doors to play.

 

We both agree on "he chose not to play."

Edited October 22, 2018 by moonslav59

[dgalehouse]

Hanley had some good moments. He seemed pretty well liked by his teammates. But it was a bad contract and it was a good decision to cut bait. I didn't notice any particular weeping or gnashing of teeth by his teammates when he was released. They moved on and never missed a beat.

[Larry Cook]

Hanley had some good moments. He seemed pretty well liked by his teammates. But it was a bad contract and it was a good decision to cut bait. I didn't notice any particular weeping or gnashing of teeth by his teammates when he was released. They moved on and never missed a beat.

 

Cora is a former player and he appears to have the trust of everyone in the locker room.

 

So for him to ok the moving of Hanley out of the locker room, makes me believe there was something more going on than just on field production!

[moonslav59]

Cora is a former player and he appears to have the trust of everyone in the locker room.

 

So for him to ok the moving of Hanley out of the locker room, makes me believe there was something more going on than just on field production!

 

I'm not so sure. I think it was all about the 2019 team and budget issues, and the fact that HRam was in a slump.

[notin]

Nope. You don’t.

 

I liked Hanley, but if he was never released it is possible the Sox would not have bothered to acquire Pearce...

[cp176]

I liked Hanley, but if he was never released it is possible the Sox would not have bothered to acquire Pearce...

 

I tried to like him. Oh well.

[moonslav59]

I loved Manny.

 

He made some big mistakes, some inexcusable, especially towards the end and during his time in LA, but he was so much fun to watch.

[Bellhorn04]

To me one of the most interesting things was when Theo hired Manny to work with Cubs minor league hitters-I can't remember the exact job description. I thought it was pretty cool in the 'let bygones be bygones' dept.

[SoxnCycles]

Any pitcher that tells a Yankee player to get the f___ back in the box is okay in my book.

 

Absolutely!

[Bellhorn04]

The money is the same, so yes, it wasn't about the money in that sense, but he lost his desire to play.

 

My guess is, if the money was not guaranteed, and he had to play to collect the $22M, HRam would have been knocking on doors to play.

 

We both agree on "he chose not to play."

 

Why not give him the benefit of the doubt - maybe he decided to put his family ahead of baseball - would that be such a bad thing?

[moonslav59]

Why not give him the benefit of the doubt - maybe he decided to put his family ahead of baseball - would that be such a bad thing?

 

Not at all. That does not detract from my point that I feel, if HRam had to play for a team to get the $22M, he'd have been knocking on doors.

 

It will be interesting to see if he retires or tries a comeback.

[cp176]

To me one of the most interesting things was when Theo hired Manny to work with Cubs minor league hitters-I can't remember the exact job description. I thought it was pretty cool in the 'let bygones be bygones' dept.

 

I'll give anyone credit for hiring someone who understood the science of hitting as well as Manny Ramirez.

[Bellhorn04]

Not at all. That does not detract from my point that I feel, if HRam had to play for a team to get the $22M, he'd have been knocking on doors.

 

And maybe that would have been for his family too. MLB is a game, but it's a hard job too.

 

And let's not forget the guy had offseason shoulder surgery. Maybe there were some lingering effects. Maybe rest was the best thing for it.

 

There are a lot of possibilities we don't know about.

[moonslav59]

And maybe that would have been for his family too. MLB is a game, but it's a hard job too.

 

And let's not forget the guy had offseason shoulder surgery. Maybe there were some lingering effects. Maybe rest was the best thing for it.

 

There are a lot of possibilities we don't know about.

 

True.

 

BTW, I have defended HRam's attitude and club house presence for years.

[Kimmi]

Why not give him the benefit of the doubt - maybe he decided to put his family ahead of baseball - would that be such a bad thing?

 

Thank you.

[moonslav59]

One day from now...

[moonslav59]

Let's win this first game and put the pressure on LA!

[notin]

True.

 

BTW, I have defended HRam's attitude and club house presence for years.

 

I started defending Hanley's attitude when I read the story about him telling Yasiel Puig to not make the same mistakes he (Hanley) made. Certainly Hanley got a bad reputation in Florida/Miami, but that story does make it look like he grew up somewhat...

[dgalehouse]

Hanley is running twenty miles a day on the beach , swimming the Atlantic Ocean, bench pressing four hundred pounds every day. Preparing for his comeback in 2019.

[notin]

This thread officially has a one week life expectancy before being replaced by "A Realistic Look at 2019 Part 1"