Red Sox To Sign J.D. Martinez

[notin]

Any word on who is being DFA'd or traded to make room for JD?

 

Brentz?

 

Marrero?

 

Elias?

 

Jerez?

 

Shepher or Buttrey?

 

Trade Holt?

 

 

 

A DFA fOr Holt saves the most cash as his arbitration salary is not guaranteed yet. Hanley could go and that prevents his option from kicking in, but seriously depletes their depth. Batting significant injuries, it's almost impossible for all of Marrero, Brentz and Swihart to make the team anyway

[moonslav59]

The Sox can save $2mill if they DFA Holt, which might happen because they need to clear a spot on the 40-man.

 

They could trade Bradley, but will any pitcher they get back make less than $6mill?

 

I'm not for trading JBJ either, but if we traded JBJ and Holt for Salazar, we'd save almost $3.4M.

 

[Carpin]

I'm not for trading JBJ either, but if we traded JBJ and Holt for Salazar, we'd save almost $3.4M.

 

 

Not sure that package will get you guys Salazar, but with a couple more small pieces you might have the Guardians attention

[moonslav59]

Not sure that package will get you guys Salazar, but with a couple more small pieces you might have the Guardians attention

 

Salazar is a big injury risk. We might not need to add more. If so, maybe add Johnson or Swihart (both out of options).

 

Hembree is also out of options, but I think adding him makes the cost way too high.

 

I might not even give up JBJ for Salazar straight up, but I might be biased. I'm a huge JBJ fan.

[Nick]

Moon, see what you think

 

We will also get a bump of $9M in 2019 due to increase in CB Tax Threshold. Thus assuming money is not a big deal for Sox (but losing a draft pick is), beginning in 2019, our payroll budget is $206M plus $40M or $246M.

 

Basically we have $16M to play with for assuming no further additions or subtractions during 2018. That amount I think will cover increases in arbitration money.

 

What to do with $22M allotted for Hanley? Xander is already being paid $7M for 2018. Can we not take that money along with $22M from Xander and sign Machado? Or

do we extend both Pom and Kimbrel (Hanley's $22M should cover it).

 

Following year, Porcello's $20M, Sandoval's $18M, Moreland's $6.5 along with Nunez' $4M comes off the books. That's total of $50M (rounding off to easy number). Sale is already making $13.5M so it would take additonal $17M to sign him. We'd still have $30M to reinforce our roster OR go ahead and extend Betts.

 

So in theory, we can add/keep JD Martizez, Machado, Betts along with Beni and Devers. We'd still have Sale and Price along with E Rod. If we say good bye to Kimbrel, then maybe we can have both Machado and Pom.

 

I don't see a cliff. (we do need another starter to emerge and a 1B to emerge also, how tough can that be? it's time our farm produced couple of more major leaguers.)

Edited February 20, 2018 by Nick

[moonslav59]

Trading JBJ does give 500+ more PAs to HRam & Nunez and possibly Brentz.

 

My guess is, HRam + Nunez can outhit JBJ. We'd lose big on defense by playing JD in LF and Beni in CF, but that might be offset by adding a pitcher like Salazar to the rotation. (Note: Salazar gets paid $5M this year and has 2 arb years left.)

 

Salazar by the numbers:

 

2015-2017

 

18th in xFIP at 3.50 (same as Price and just worse than Bumgarner, Lester & Greinke

 

29th in WAR at 7.8

 

30th in ERA- at 89 (Same as Duffy- better than S Gray & Archer)

 

35th in WHIP at 1.25 (just better than Duffy & Pom)

 

The killer: 73rd in IP (67th in GS'd)

[a700hitter]

wRC+ since 2014 (4 seasons):

171 Trout

161 Votto

149 Stanton

148 JD Martinez, Harper & Goldschmidt

 

JD has had a .936 OPS over 4 years, which is .001 below Papi.

 

He has the lowest BB% (8.6) of any of the top 12 wRC+ players.

His biggest challenge is remaining healthy.

[a700hitter]

I think Cora will start out with this...

 

vs RHP

1) Betts RF

2) Nunez 2B

3) Beni LF

4) JDM DH

5) Devers 3B

6) Moreland 1B

7) Bogey SS

8) JBJ CF

9) Vaz C

 

vs LHPs

1) Betts RF

2) Nunez 2B

3) Bogey SS

4) JDM DH

5) HRam 1B

6) Beni LF

7) Devers 3B

8) Vaz C

9) JBJ CF

 

I do not like Bogey hitting 3rd -- too inconsistent.

 

1) Nunez 2B

2) Beni LF

3) Betts RF

4) JDM DH

5) HRam 1B

6) Devers 3B

7) Bogey SS

8) Vaz C

9) JBJ CF

Edited February 20, 2018 by a700hitter

[sk7326]

Any word on who is being DFA'd or traded to make room for JD?

 

Brentz?

 

Marrero?

 

Elias?

 

Jerez?

 

Shepher or Buttrey?

 

Trade Holt?

 

Pedey to 60 day DL?

 

 

 

A trade would be ideal of course - but moving Pedroia to the 60 day DL is a reasonable option too.

[Nick]

Trading JBJ does give 500+ more PAs to HRam & Nunez and possibly Brentz.

 

My guess is, HRam + Nunez can outhit JBJ. We'd lose big on defense by playing JD in LF and Beni in CF, but that might be offset by adding a pitcher like Salazar to the rotation. (Note: Salazar gets paid $5M this year and has 2 arb years left.)

 

Salazar by the numbers:

 

2015-2017

 

18th in xFIP at 3.50 (same as Price and just worse than Bumgarner, Lester & Greinke

 

29th in WAR at 7.8

 

30th in ERA- at 89 (Same as Duffy- better than S Gray & Archer)

 

35th in WHIP at 1.25 (just better than Duffy & Pom)

 

The killer: 73rd in IP (67th in GS'd)

 

Why risk getting JD injured? He can fill in occasionally at Fenway giving Beni a rest but I prefer JD DH'ing. We still need JBJ's defense in CF. That OF made our pitching staff look even better. We can 'cover' for JBJ's bat with addition of JD. Trading JBJ is going backwards.

[OH FOY]

Amazing he's only played 7 games in Fenway.

[moonslav59]

Moon, see what you think

 

We will also get a bump of $9M in 2019 due to increase in CB Tax Threshold. Thus assuming money is not a big deal for Sox (but losing a draft pick is), beginning in 2019, our payroll budget is $206M plus $40M or $246M.

 

Basically we have $16M to play with for assuming no further additions or subtractions during 2018. That amount I think will cover increases in arbitration money.

 

What to do with $22M allotted for Hanley? Xander is already being paid $7M for 2018. Can we not take that money along with $22M from Xander and sign Machado? Or

do we extend both Pom and Kimbrel (Hanley's $22M should cover it).

 

Following year, Porcello's $20M, Sandoval's $18M, Moreland's $6.5 along with Nunez' $4M comes off the books. That's total of $50M (rounding off to easy number). Sale is already making $13.5M so it would take additonal $17M to sign him. We'd still have $30M to reinforce our roster OR go ahead and extend Betts.

 

So in theory, we can add/keep JD Martizez, Machado, Betts along with Beni and Devers. We'd still have Sale and Price along with E Rod. If we say good bye to Kimbrel, then maybe we can have both Machado and Pom.

 

I don't see a cliff. (we do need another starter to emerge and a 1B to emerge also, how tough can that be? it's time our farm produced couple of more major leaguers.)

 

I don't see us making a big splash next winter. I think we'll try to keep under the $40M limit again. Assuming HRam does not vest and we have the $9M bump plus the $7M we are under now, we're at...

 

Sale's option adds $1M

 

Subtract:

$22M HRam

$13M Kimbrel

$9M CB bump

$8.5M Pomeranz

$7M under now

$3.8M Kelly

 

~$62M

 

Arb raises will eat up a big chunk. We have to re-sign or replace in kind, Pom, Kimbrel & Kelly. Maybe we can do without Kelly, but we need to replace Kimbrel and Pom. I doubt they'll be much money left over for anybody else. They both will get hefty raises.

 

If Smith and Thornburg step it up this year, we may get by without Kimbrel.

 

I can't see Wright or Johnson taking Pom's place without a significant drop off.

[OH FOY]

The problem with the 237,000 penalty is the International Money loss. 10 spots not too worried about in the Draft.

[moonslav59]

Why risk getting JD injured? He can fill in occasionally at Fenway giving Beni a rest but I prefer JD DH'ing. We still need JBJ's defense in CF. That OF made our pitching staff look even better. We can 'cover' for JBJ's bat with addition of JD. Trading JBJ is going backwards.

 

Again, I'm not for trading JBJ, but if it improves our offense and adds a quality SP'er like Salazar, I can see giving up some defense to do it.

 

I'd definitely do this....

 

JBJ, Hembree & Johnson for Carrasco, but I doubt CLE does it.

[Carpin]

Salazar is a big injury risk. We might not need to add more. If so, maybe add Johnson or Swihart (both out of options).

 

Hembree is also out of options, but I think adding him makes the cost way too high.

 

I might not even give up JBJ for Salazar straight up, but I might be biased. I'm a huge JBJ fan.

 

Still the Guardians asking prices was big (based on media speculation).

[moonslav59]

Still the Guardians asking prices was big (based on media speculation).

 

The asking price for JBJ is big as well, and reports were the Guardians have inquired on JBJ several times over the last few years.

[Nick]

It sure would be nice if we have s SP in our farm step up next couple of years.

[moonslav59]

It sure would be nice if we have s SP in our farm step up next couple of years.

 

That would save the day!

 

With our history of developing starters in the dump, I'm not too optimistic.

 

Our best hope is Groome.

 

Wright or Johnson could be pretty good.

 

Beeks & Houck?

 

Mata might be 3-4 years away.

[moonslav59]

I do not like Bogey hitting 3rd -- too inconsistent.

 

 

He's .833 vs LHPs career, and they say your best hitters should bat 2nd, 4th and 1st.

 

I'm fine with Beni 3rd (or a healthy HRam).

 

Devers may move up as the year goes on.

[a700hitter]

He's .833 vs LHPs career, and they say your best hitters should bat 2nd, 4th and 1st.

 

I'm fine with Beni 3rd (or a healthy HRam).

 

Devers may move up as the year goes on.

What do you think the lineups will look like when Pedroia returns?

[harmony]

It sure would be nice if we have s SP in our farm step up next couple of years.

If the Red Sox fall out of contention in either of the next two years the Sox have veteran pieces who can be flipped to replenish the farm.

[moonslav59]

What do you think the lineups will look like when Pedroia returns?

 

Worse.

 

Better defense, though.

[moonslav59]

If the Red Sox fall out of contention in either of the next two years the Sox have veteran pieces who can be flipped to replenish the farm.

 

That's not a hope I dream of.

[a700hitter]

Worse.

Who will sit?

[moonslav59]

Who will sit?

 

My guess is they will try to keep Nunez in the line-up. They will start with a resting rotation. I'd mlike to see them settle on HRam/Moreland getting less PAs, but Nunez doesn't play 1B, and neither does JD (Nunez to DH?).

 

We might see JBj sit more. If he's struggling, he might be benched.

 

Beni might sit vs LHPs.

 

I don't want Nunez playing SS FT, but it's not like Bogey is a great defensive SS.

 

Maybe something like this...

 

JBJ sits 2-3 out of 10 games

Pedey 2-3 out of 10

Beni sits 1 out of 10 (vs tough lefty)

Bogey sits 1/10 vs tough righty

Devers sits 1/10

Nunez 2/10

 

If JD can learn 1B without hurting himself, we could cut into HRam/Moreland's PAs.

 

 

[a700hitter]

My guess is they will try to keep Nunez in the line-up. They will start with a resting rotation. I'd mlike to see them settle on HRam/Moreland getting less PAs, but Nunez doesn't play 1B, and neither does JD (Nunez to DH?).

 

We might see JBj sit more. If he's struggling, he might be benched.

 

Beni might sit vs LHPs.

 

I don't want Nunez playing SS FT, but it's not like Bogey is a great defensive SS.

 

Maybe something like this...

 

JBJ sits 2-3 out of 10 games

Pedey 2-3 out of 10

Beni sits 1 out of 10 (vs tough lefty)

Bogey sits 1/10 vs tough righty

Devers sits 1/10

Nunez 2/10

 

If JD can learn 1B without hurting himself, we could cut into HRam/Moreland's PAs.

 

 

I don’t see Pedroia playing more than 5 games a week, so Nunez, Bradley, Beny, and Devers sit once or twice a week. The crunch is made worse by the fact that we need to find playing time for 11 full time players. I don’t think that either Moreland or Hanley will take well to a strict platoon.

[tom-uk]

It sure would be nice if we have s SP in our farm step up next couple of years.

A lot of FO mistakes stem from this!!

[baseball jones]

i am very happy for everyone we finally signed him and the deal is the best anyone could have possibly hoped for.

 

now that he is on my team i hope he has incredible season and plays his ass off

[harmony]

A lot of FO mistakes stem from this!!

Welcome back, tom-uk (one of my fiercest critics).

[tom-uk]

Welcome back, tom-uk (one of my fiercest critics).

You were right on Middlebrooks

 

Crazy: No homegrown Sox starter (except Clay and Jon) has logged more than 450 career innings since 2006.