Stanton or Votto

[Station 13]

It's nearly 22-year-old right-hander Jorge Guzman and and barely 18-year-old shortstop Jose Devers (cousin of Rafael Devers):

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=guzman003jor

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=devers000jos&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-

 

So basically a salary dump for the Fishs. Are they in any top 25-50 lists?

[jacksonianmarch]

No, Guzman is a good prospect. Devers is a lottery ticket. Castro was expendable. This deal is a steal

[jacksonianmarch]

Guzman is one of our top 10 guys, but thus far isn’t in any top 100s

[moonslav59]

...and some posters wanted to trade Bogey & JBJ for Stanton!

 

LOL!

[Jack Flap]

No, Guzman is a good prospect. Devers is a lottery ticket. Castro was expendable. This deal is a steal

 

And Stanton's AAV will only be $22 million per year due to the money coming over from the Marlins.

 

Seriously, the whole thing is nothing short of highway robbery.

[jacksonianmarch]

I didn’t think his contract was all that crazy, but hey, I’ll take it

[moonslav59]

I didn’t think his contract was all that crazy, but hey, I’ll take it

 

The luxury tax cost being "only" $25M is a big plus to a team straddling the luxury limit. The fact that you were able to dump Castro makes this deal a real head-scratcher. Too bad the Marlins couldn't have afforded to just tell GS, "tough s***- you're staying here or going to SF."

[a700hitter]

...and some posters wanted to trade Bogey & JBJ for Stanton!

 

LOL!

I would have traded Bradley but not both. Stanton will want to play RF and Betts is not a DH. There would have been a logjam in the OF. If we traded Bradley, maybe the Marlins would have eaten $50 million.

[moonslav59]

I would have traded Bradley but not both. Stanton will want to play RF and Betts is not a DH. There would have been a logjam in the OF. If we traded Bradley, maybe the Marlins would have eaten $50 million.

 

Well, JBJ's financial cost would have been close to Castro's.

 

The $30M going to the Yanks only goes, if GS does NOT opt out.

 

My guess is, the Marlins would rather have JBJ than Castro, because he's a very tradeable commodity. We probably would not have had to give Mata to compensate for Guzman.

 

Too bad we were not on GS's list.

[moonslav59]

I would have traded Bradley but not both. Stanton will want to play RF and Betts is not a DH. There would have been a logjam in the OF. If we traded Bradley, maybe the Marlins would have eaten $50 million.

 

If we had traded JBJ and scraps for Stanton, I think GS would play LF, Beni CF and Betts remains in RF.

[a700hitter]

If we had traded JBJ and scraps for Stanton, I think GS would play LF, Beni CF and Betts remains in RF.

I could see that.

[fxkatt]

So, who's in the outfield for the Yanks now? I guess two of Gardner, Hicks, and Frazier get squeezed out. So maybe they trade Hicks or Frazier for another lights out reliever. That's all we need.

 

On paper, this is bad news for us all the way around. Our only advantage may be in our starting rotation.

 

And maybe Stanton's injury history will continue to play out.

[jacksonianmarch]

Fx we have lights out relievers. I think this moves Frazier to AAA as injury insurance. Stanton and Gardner will play a fair amount in LF, Hicks and Gardner will split CF and Stanton and Judge will split RF. All 4 will rotate through the DH spot.

 

You’ll have rotations as follows

 

LF Gardner

CF Hicks

RF Judge

DH Stanton

 

LF Stanton

CF Hicks

RF Judge

DH Gardner

 

LF Stanton

CF Gardner

RF Judge

DH Hicks

 

LF Gardner

CF Hicks

RF Stanton

DH Judge

[harmony]

Fx we have lights out relievers. I think this moves Frazier to AAA as injury insurance. Stanton and Gardner will play a fair amount in LF, Hicks and Gardner will split CF and Stanton and Judge will split RF. All 4 will rotate through the DH spot.

 

You’ll have rotations as follows

 

LF Gardner

CF Hicks

RF Judge

DH Stanton

 

LF Stanton

CF Hicks

RF Judge

DH Gardner

 

LF Stanton

CF Gardner

RF Judge

DH Hicks

 

LF Gardner

CF Hicks

RF Stanton

DH Judge

Where is Jacoby Ellsbury?

[mvp 78]

If we had traded JBJ and scraps for Stanton, I think GS would play LF, Beni CF and Betts remains in RF.

 

Stanton didn’t want to come here tho.

[Jack Flap]

Stanton didn’t want to come here tho.

 

Perhaps not, but it doesn't seem like we tried all that hard, either.

[Divinity]

If you use The Baseball Gauge’s adjustment and extrapolate Stanton’s 2017 homers into Yankee Stadium, he would figure to have hit around 73 homers (!!!) if he’d played in the Bronx instead of Miami.

[NativeBostonian]

Where is Jacoby Ellsbury?

 

He's a 21 million 4th outfielder.

[moonslav59]

If you use The Baseball Gauge’s adjustment and extrapolate Stanton’s 2017 homers into Yankee Stadium, he would figure to have hit around 73 homers (!!!) if he’d played in the Bronx instead of Miami.

 

Pitchers will pitch GS differently in Yankee Stadium than they did in NL parks.

 

I do think he hits 60 though.

[NativeBostonian]

Pitchers will pitch GS differently in Yankee Stadium than they did in NL parks.

 

I do think he hits 60 though.

 

I'll rather take my risks with walking GS and Judge back to back then pitching to either of them. 60 homeruns for both those players is nuts.

Edited December 9, 2017 by NativeBostonian

[Slasher9]

f***

f*** you DD

f*** you jeter

[Spudboy]

f***

f*** you DD

f*** you jeter

 

lol

 

I mean, what else can be said?

[notin]

With Stanton, the money is doable for the Sox. It all depends how much talent the Marlins want in return.

 

If you give them two nobody A-ballers, the Marlins will knock off $50mill.*

 

*Offer valid to New York Yankees only

[Northern Star]

If you give them two nobody A-ballers, the Marlins will knock off $50mill.*

 

*Offer valid to New York Yankees only

 

It's $30 million, isn't it? Last I heard anyway.

[Northern Star]

Let's just give up and let the Yankees handpick whoever they want off all other team rosters for nothing.

[Bellhorn04]

If you give them two nobody A-ballers, the Marlins will knock off $50mill.*

 

*Offer valid to New York Yankees only

 

Stanton had control of the process here though. He got to pick and choose. It was a lot like a free agent signing.

[notin]

It's $30 million, isn't it? Last I heard anyway.

 

Castro was nothing more than salary relief that shouldn't be forgotten or viewed any other way.

 

And apparently it's $35mill in cash, per MLBTR.

 

So the savings off that contract is potentially $57mill. Or 2 free years....

Edited December 10, 2017 by notin

[notin]

Stanton had control of the process here though. He got to pick and choose. It was a lot like a free agent signing.

 

No.

 

The Marlins had the option to NOT sell the reigning NL MVP for pennies on the dollar.

 

And they were in talks wth the Dodgers. Think the Dodgers got to offer 2 A-ballers and a $20mill MLB player?

[Northern Star]

No.

 

The Marlins had the option to NOT sell the reigning NL MVP for pennies on the dollar.

 

And they were in talks wth the Dodgers. Think the Dodgers got to offer 2 A-ballers and a $20mill MLB player?

 

Wrong. The Marlins HAD to sell for pennies on the dollar because they're deep in debt and absolutely cannot afford Stanton's contract when the dollars start really getting up there. They needed a trade partner who would eat pretty much the whole contract. Logic dictates you don't get blue chips in return for hefty salary dumps, and this was the salary dump of all time. And you don't know what the Dodgers did or didn't offer, and AFAIK Stanton didn't say whether he would block the Dodgers or not, did he?

 

Marlins were playing with no cards here, Stanton had them over a barrel and their own financial ineptitude had them over a barrel as well.

[notin]

Wrong. The Marlins HAD to sell for pennies on the dollar because they're deep in debt and absolutely cannot afford Stanton's contract when the dollars start really getting up there. They needed a trade partner who would eat pretty much the whole contract. Logic dictates you don't get blue chips in return for hefty salary dumps, and this was the salary dump of all time. And you don't know what the Dodgers did or didn't offer, and AFAIK Stanton didn't say whether he would block the Dodgers or not, did he?

 

Marlins were playing with no cards here, Stanton had them over a barrel and their own financial ineptitude had them over a barrel as well.

 

The problem is Stanton is the guy most likely to generate any actual income for your team. He's a league MVP, HR champ and gate draw.

 

Meanwhile the Marlins are still paying Brad Ziegler ($7mill) and Junichi Tazawa ($5mill), and will pay yhe arbitration costs for Marcell Ozuna ($11mill projected) and Dan Straily ($4.6mill projected). Unloading those players, all of whom are tradable for something better than an A ball pitcher0, saves more money per year. Short term but you keep your best asset. and if Wei-Yin Chen ($54mill per 3 years) comes back healthy, he becomes a trade candidate.

 

And don't forget the reason Stanton got that contract in the first place was to show Marlins' fans this team wasn't always going to be about firesales and salary dumps Stanton received that offer in the wake of the Josh Johnson/Jose Reyes trade with the Blue Jays as a how of good intentions to the fans.

 

This trade just pounded the biggest nail into the Marlins' fanbase coffin. The man who was meant to be their symbol against firesale salary dumps was just dumped somewhere else for nothing.

 

It's a shame they worked so hard to make MLB pay for that big new stadium a few years ago. Maybe they can get some cash back there selling the chairs. They won't be needing them because whatever fans were left are not coming back this time...

 

But.hey, they saved a few bucks doing it.