Stanton or Votto

[moonslav59]

I think Martinez might be better suited for Fenway than Stanton.

 

Stanton is like a better version of vintage Matt Kemp at the plate. He hits the ball VERY HARD and sometimes it simply doesn't have any lift. While I don't think Stanton would struggle at Fenway, I do think he'd hit a lot of wall ball singles that would carry out of other parks.

 

Martinez, on the other hand, can get some lift on his flyballs...

 

...and all JD costs is money.

[moonslav59]

I wouldn't minds seeing MLBTR's projections come true:

 

JD Martinez

Santana

B Shaw

 

1. Betts RF

2. Beni LF

3. Santana 1B

4. Martinez DH

5. Devers 3B

6. Bogey SS

7. Pedey 2B

8. JBJ CF

9. Vaz C

 

Bench: HRam, Leon, Brentz or Swihart, Hernandez// (DFA, phantom DL or trade Swihart or Brentz, Holt & Marrero)

 

SP: Sale, Price, Pom, Porcello, (ERod) Wright

RP: Kimbrel, Shaw, Kelly, Smith, Barnes, Scott, (Thorn burg) Maddox or Workman //(DFA, phanton DL or trade Hembree & Johnson)

 

[Larry Cook]

I think Martinez might be better suited for Fenway than Stanton.

 

Stanton is like a better version of vintage Matt Kemp at the plate. He hits the ball VERY HARD and sometimes it simply doesn't have any lift. While I don't think Stanton would struggle at Fenway, I do think he'd hit a lot of wall ball singles that would carry out of other parks.

 

Martinez, on the other hand, can get some lift on his flyballs...

 

Isn’t JD an injury waiting to happen?

 

Are we saying that between banana boy pedroia, JD, price and Hanley, we are trying to build a dl that is more expensive than the entire Tampa bay roster?

[Slasher9]

@EvanDrellich

 

Where things stand now, unless something changes, source says Red Sox are an "extreme long shot" for Giancarlo Stanton for a variety of reasons, starting with asking price.

 

i hate this post.

[cp176]

i hate this post.

 

He is going somewhere I think after what he has been told. Look on the bright side Slasher, if DD signs someone else or trades a player for someone else, it gives more bitching and hind sighting opps for everyone. lol

[cp176]

I do have to agree with you though if I had the pick of the litter, it would be Stanton.

[moonslav59]

Isn’t JD an injury waiting to happen?

 

Are we saying that between banana boy pedroia, JD, price and Hanley, we are trying to build a dl that is more expensive than the entire Tampa bay roster?

 

He really hasn't had any major injuries or any injury that seems chronic in nature.

 

I believe his low games player per season was due to him not being a FT player until about 4 years ago.

 

That being said, it is a legitimate concern that he has only over 520+ PAs once in a season. (He did have exactly 600 in the minors in 2010.)

 

[illinoisredsox]

He is going somewhere I think after what he has been told. Look on the bright side Slasher, if DD signs someone else or trades a player for someone else, it gives more bitching and hind sighting opps for everyone. lol

 

He's been told he will have to waive his no-trade or else:

 

https://www.thescore.com/news/1433898

 

However, does it make sense for the Sox to go after him if he really doesn't want to be here? Expensive is one thing, expensive and disgruntled is another.

[moonslav59]

He's been told he will have to waive his no-trade or else:

 

https://www.thescore.com/news/1433898

 

However, does it make sense for the Sox to go after him if he really doesn't want to be here? Expensive is one thing, expensive and disgruntled is another.

 

I think he'll enjoy winning a ring or two with the Sox.

[cp176]

He's been told he will have to waive his no-trade or else:

 

https://www.thescore.com/news/1433898

 

However, does it make sense for the Sox to go after him if he really doesn't want to be here? Expensive is one thing, expensive and disgruntled is another.

 

No. That is the short answer for me. If he isn't happy coning regardless of who pays for him, it won't work. Character is a subject that doesn't get its just due here if you ask me. All things being equal, it is extremely important. I think that DD understands this. I think that he has brought people in here who want to be here and have certain qualities that aren't quantifiable. Gamers, workers, whatever even for the folks who don't think Price fits that bill, if he is healthy he will give you everything that he has on the mound. A team made up of these types of players can be quite attractive if there is some ability to go along with it. I don't know Stanton from anybody. Looks good on paper for sure but who really knows? If he really doesn't want to be in Boston, I see it as a waste of time to spend time and $ trying to lure him in. I have said it before - Boston is a city of champions and there are plenty of great athletes who truly want to play in this city in New England.

[mvp 78]

Dave ain't done. If it becomes just about $, I really don't care what he cherry picks. The money is there. You budgetarians might not think so and you might fret and fume about not being able to resign this guy or that guy and I say good for you. If it is just about taking on his contract dollars, then the Sox are still in the game because if JH wants him badly enough, he can afford him.

 

Plus - he can sign any of our current players that deserve to be reupped. It is not about the money but I bet he is happy knowing that so many of his Talksox followers care so much about he he spends it.

 

People were more concerned about last year's budget so that they would stay under the cap and not carry a huge penalty going forward. The Sox are going to spend this winter and they can get anyone they want (except for Otani).

[mvp 78]

I think Martinez might be better suited for Fenway than Stanton.

 

Stanton is like a better version of vintage Matt Kemp at the plate. He hits the ball VERY HARD and sometimes it simply doesn't have any lift. While I don't think Stanton would struggle at Fenway, I do think he'd hit a lot of wall ball singles that would carry out of other parks.

 

Martinez, on the other hand, can get some lift on his flyballs...

 

I saw a chart that showed how is HR's would overlay at Fenway. Apparently, only 5 of the LF shots were low enough to not clear the wall.

[mvp 78]

Isn’t JD an injury waiting to happen?

 

Are we saying that between banana boy pedroia, JD, price and Hanley, we are trying to build a dl that is more expensive than the entire Tampa bay roster?

 

His injury history is not much different than Stanton's. A lot of his injuries were not soft tissue injuries (i.e. hammies that keep popping up) but rather from in game contact (hit by pitch, diving for a ball).

[mvp 78]

I do have to agree with you though if I had the pick of the litter, it would be Stanton.

 

If all things were equal. However, you have to give up players of value for Stanton. For JD, it's just money.

[mvp 78]

He's been told he will have to waive his no-trade or else:

 

https://www.thescore.com/news/1433898

 

However, does it make sense for the Sox to go after him if he really doesn't want to be here? Expensive is one thing, expensive and disgruntled is another.

 

Especially if he can opt out in a few years.

[mvp 78]

No. That is the short answer for me. If he isn't happy coning regardless of who pays for him, it won't work. Character is a subject that doesn't get its just due here if you ask me. All things being equal, it is extremely important. I think that DD understands this. I think that he has brought people in here who want to be here and have certain qualities that aren't quantifiable. Gamers, workers, whatever even for the folks who don't think Price fits that bill, if he is healthy he will give you everything that he has on the mound. A team made up of these types of players can be quite attractive if there is some ability to go along with it. I don't know Stanton from anybody. Looks good on paper for sure but who really knows? If he really doesn't want to be in Boston, I see it as a waste of time to spend time and $ trying to lure him in. I have said it before - Boston is a city of champions and there are plenty of great athletes who truly want to play in this city in New England.

 

And that's why Pedroia needs to be traded. He's a bad hombre. Bad genetics. Doesn't stick up for his teammates. Sad!

[cp176]

People were more concerned about last year's budget so that they would stay under the cap and not carry a huge penalty going forward. The Sox are going to spend this winter and they can get anyone they want (except for Otani).

 

I understand this. There will always be at least concern for what is coming in as opposed to what is going out. I just don't doubt for one second that if the "right" guy had been available last year that the Red Sox would have made a play for that guy regardless of how much squacking(sp) the few budgetary concerned members of this forum board made. When it is over, I also believe that the Sox will spend big this year too if the right fit is out there.

[cp176]

And that's why Pedroia needs to be traded. He's a bad hombre. Bad genetics. Doesn't stick up for his teammates. Sad!

 

 

You know I am not sure that I am totally on board with how you feel and have felt about Pedroia but I am leaning in that direction. More importantly for me I guess is that I don't think that he will continue to be our best option at second base.

[mvp 78]

I understand this. There will always be at least concern for what is coming in as opposed to what is going out. I just don't doubt for one second that if the "right" guy had been available last year that the Red Sox would have made a play for that guy regardless of how much squacking(sp) the few budgetary concerned members of this forum board made. When it is over, I also believe that the Sox will spend big this year too if the right fit is out there.

 

Yup, looks like passing on EE was the wrong move.

[mvp 78]

You know I am not sure that I am totally on board with how you feel and have felt about Pedroia but I am leaning in that direction. More importantly for me I guess is that I don't think that he will continue to be our best option at second base.

 

Well, when I first started grumbling about Pedroia in the 2015 offseason, no one was remotely on board with me at all. One poster told me not to talk about it as it would generate too much ridicule, but I gotta be me.

[Jack Flap]

I understand this. There will always be at least concern for what is coming in as opposed to what is going out. I just don't doubt for one second that if the "right" guy had been available last year that the Red Sox would have made a play for that guy regardless of how much squacking(sp) the few budgetary concerned members of this forum board made. When it is over, I also believe that the Sox will spend big this year too if the right fit is out there.

 

I don't get these repeated digs at posters who talk about the payroll....while I think all of us would be happy with the Red Sox spending $400 million per year, the fact is that there is a finite amount the club is willing/able to spend each season whether we like it or not, meaning $20 million blown on a Pablo Sandoval equals less of the pie left to allocate to other needs. People talk about the budget and the luxury tax because they acknowledge this reality, not because they want the Red Sox to be cheap or they're concerned about saving John Henry money.

Edited November 29, 2017 by Jack Flap

[Jack Flap]

There's a lot of gossip and rumor out there regarding Stanton, but I'm not sure how much of it should really be considered credible until we get some hard information. There's nothing wrong with him preferring the west coast, but he can't make the Dodgers take on his contract or give the Marlins the players they want, either. If this is a situation where he's never going to accept a trade to Boston no matter what, hopefully Dombrowski can determine this quickly and move on without wasting his time further, but I'm not convinced that is the case...Stanton has to know that he doesn't have that many realistic landing spots to begin with, and IMO he'd be daft to block a trade to a legitimate contender and risk being stuck in Miami.

[mvp 78]

There's a lot of gossip and rumor out there regarding Stanton, but I'm not sure how much of it should really be considered credible until we get some hard information. There's nothing wrong with him preferring the west coast, but he can't make the Dodgers take on his contract or give the Marlins the players they want, either. If this is a situation where he's never going to accept a trade to Boston no matter what, hopefully Dombrowski can determine this quickly and move on without wasting his time further, but I'm not convinced that is the case...Stanton has to know that he doesn't have that many realistic landing spots to begin with, and IMO he'd be daft to block a trade to a legitimate contender and risk being stuck in Miami.

 

He's from LA and wants to play in front of his home crowd. I get it. If that's what he really wants, he should just not waive his no trade clause and opt out in 3 years.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure that DD can look into signing JD and trading for Stanton all at the same time if he wants. I'm sure he's able to multitask and JD probably won't be signing in the next few days anyway.

[mvp 78]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/red-sox-other-teams-discussing-jose-abreu-trade-scenarios-with-white-sox-mlb-rumors.html

 

The Red Sox are among the organizations “in active talks” with the White Sox regarding veteran slugger Jose Abreu, according to Jon Heyman of Fan Rag (via Twitter). It is not clear at the moment which other teams might be involved or how far talks might have progressed.

 

MLBTR’s Mark Polishuk recently examined the potential market for Abreu, citing Boston as one of the major possible suitors. Of course, there are also quite a few other organizations that would likely see merit in his contract rights.

 

Trade for Abreu. Sign JD. Two more rings AT LEAST.

[Slasher9]

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Trade for Abreu. Sign JD. Two more rings AT LEAST.

 

wait, was Abreu busted for PeD's?

[mvp 78]

wait, was Abreu busted for PeD's?

 

No, that was Bobby Abreu.

[moonslav59]

I don't get these repeated digs at posters who talk about the payroll....while I think all of us would be happy with the Red Sox spending $400 million per year, the fact is that there is a finite amount the club is willing/able to spend each season whether we like it or not, meaning $20 million blown on a Pablo Sandoval equals less of the pie left to allocate to other needs. People talk about the budget and the luxury tax because they acknowledge this reality, not because they want the Red Sox to be cheap or they're concerned about saving John Henry money.

 

Exactly. Until I see JH spending way over the limit, or he says he's willing to do so, I'm going to assume he wants us to stay near it- like we have just about every year.

[Maxbialystock]

And that's why Pedroia needs to be traded. He's a bad hombre. Bad genetics. Doesn't stick up for his teammates. Sad!

 

I see his knees (and age) as his only problems. I have repeatedly rewatched the so-called dirty slide that reinjured the knee and think it was clean as Pedroia did, thus no need to throw at Machado which, however, the Sox decided to do anyway. 2017 not a good year, but his WAR in 2016 was 2d best on the team. In 2015, 4th best in just 93 games. I am against no trade, but disagree he should be traded away for nothing just to get rid of him.

[mvp 78]

I see his knees (and age) as his only problems. I have repeatedly rewatched the so-called dirty slide that reinjured the knee and think it was clean as Pedroia did, thus no need to throw at Machado which, however, the Sox decided to do anyway. 2017 not a good year, but his WAR in 2016 was 2d best on the team. In 2015, 4th best in just 93 games. I am against no trade, but disagree he should be traded away for nothing just to get rid of him.

 

4th in just 93 games is VERY misleading. Of the players lower than him in WAR in 2015, only Brock Holt played more games (2.5 vs Pedey's 2.6). JBJ played in fewer games and was at 2.5.

 

And if you think that's a clean slide, I don't know what to tell you. You are no longer allowed to slide through the bag in the way Machado did.

 

Edit: And I never once said trade him for nothing. I've always said trade him before his value slips to where you can't get anything for him. I wanted him traded during/after 2016 when his WAR was higher than it had been for 5 years.

[cp176]

I don't get these repeated digs at posters who talk about the payroll....while I think all of us would be happy with the Red Sox spending $400 million per year, the fact is that there is a finite amount the club is willing/able to spend each season whether we like it or not, meaning $20 million blown on a Pablo Sandoval equals less of the pie left to allocate to other needs. People talk about the budget and the luxury tax because they acknowledge this reality, not because they want the Red Sox to be cheap or they're concerned about saving John Henry money.

 

It wasn't meant as a dig. It was stated with every intention of being easily understood. It is ok if you don't understand why I say what I say. You nor no one else who posts here has any idea what the actual budget is that the Red Sox are dealing with. I will freely admit that I don't know and pretending that I do would not be genuine.