A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

[notin]

It might mean 6 pitchers and Moreland got hurt.

 

Or it might mean Martinez signed elsewhere and Wright never claimed that fifth spot. Both are fairly possible..

[notin]

Maybe normal, but for most of our recent ring years, we got by with almost all our starts from 5-6 starters.

 

It's bad news, if Buch gets just one start. It will mean 2 guys got hurt and at least Velazquez and Johnson had bombed out.

 

So if two guys get hurt and Velasquez and Johnson bombs out, you prefer a starter who can't beat out Clay Buchholz?

[moonslav59]

So if two guys get hurt and Velasquez and Johnson bombs out, you prefer a starter who can't beat out Clay Buchholz?

 

ERod will be coming back mid season. We need a starter who can start in April and May. I seriously dou bt it can or will be Buch.

 

I also doubt Buch can beat out many journeymen starters signing minor league deals this time of year. I guess, if he can beat out one or two, in theory, I'd take him over those two.

 

Problem is, we won't know until it's too late.

 

Buch sucks.

 

Let him sign with the Yanks.

[mvp 78]

ERod will be coming back mid season. We need a starter who can start in April and May. I seriously dou bt it can or will be Buch.

 

I also doubt Buch can beat out many journeymen starters signing minor league deals this time of year. I guess, if he can beat out one or two, in theory, I'd take him over those two.

 

Problem is, we won't know until it's too late.

 

Buch sucks.

 

Let him sign with the Yanks.

 

We don't even know if Buch will be healthy for ST. I don't see why the Sox would bring him in.

[notin]

We don't even know if Buch will be healthy for ST. I don't see why the Sox would bring him in.

 

On a minor league deal? Whats the f***ing harm?

[mvp 78]

So if two guys get hurt and Velasquez and Johnson bombs out, you prefer a starter who can't beat out Clay Buchholz?

 

When ML guys sign minor league deals, there is typically language that they will be brought up by a certain date or released. I wouldn't want the Sox to feel compelled to call up a broken down and fragile 33 year old over a younger pitcher with more upside.

[notin]

ERod will be coming back mid season. We need a starter who can start in April and May. I seriously dou bt it can or will be Buch.

 

I also doubt Buch can beat out many journeymen starters signing minor league deals this time of year. I guess, if he can beat out one or two, in theory, I'd take him over those two.

 

Problem is, we won't know until it's too late.

 

Buch sucks.

 

Let him sign with the Yanks.

 

Do since ERod is coming back, you're saying that should do it and y he Six don't neef any more starting pitching for 2018? Thankfully ERod really is a 200IP workhorse....

[mvp 78]

On a minor league deal? Whats the f***ing harm?

 

He sucks. They can do better. Why waste a roster spot in AAA?

[notin]

When ML guys sign minor league deals, there is typically language that they will be brought up by a certain date or released. I wouldn't want the Sox to feel compelled tot call up a broken down and fragile 33 year old over a younger pitcher with more upside.

 

It's not a typical clause and players who do have one seem to get released about half the time.

 

Really this is all anti-Buchholz stuff. Were it another pitcher or a pitcher who showed flashes but was injured on another team, most would be saying "Minor league deal? Sure. There's no risk." But instead we have people speculating about his health. And one guy who thinks Buchholz on a minor league deal is bad, but the oft-injured but successful when healthy Alex Cobb is a good idea...

[notin]

He sucks. They can do better. Why waste a roster spot in AAA?

 

A minor league contract doesn't guarantee a roster spot. Just a tryout for one...

[mvp 78]

It's not a typical clause and players who do have one seem to get released about half the time.

 

Really this is all anti-Buchholz stuff. Were it another pitcher or a pitcher who showed flashes but was injured on another team, most would be saying "Minor league deal? Sure. There's no risk." But instead we have people speculating about his health. And one guy who thinks Buchholz on a minor league deal is bad, but the oft-injured but successful when healthy Alex Cobb is a good idea...

 

It is a pretty typical clause. Especially for guys who are used to being paid as top of the rotation starters. To think he's just going to sit in AAA all year is kinda laughable tbh.

 

He's 33. He has a lengthy injury history, a slight frame and an uneven track record when healthy. If you think he's even remotely similar to Alex Cobb, I really don't know what to say. Cobb has been a 2 WAR pitcher every year that he's appeared in 10+ games. The majority of Buchholz's seasons have been worth less than 1 WAR.

[mvp 78]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2018/1/31/16952980/red-sox-bullpen-depth-chart-ty-buttrey

 

Anyone think Ty Buttrey can make an impact this year? I just don't think he'll ever be able to locate his pitches. Good "stuff" but the consistency is lacking.

[moonslav59]

On a minor league deal? Whats the f***ing harm?

 

What's the f***ing use or upside?

[Bellhorn04]

What's the f***ing use or upside?

 

If he was willing to sign a minor league deal and if he demonstrated he was healthy, it's pretty much the same use and upside as all the other dumpster dives.

 

But you already know all that.

[mvp 78]

What's the f***ing use or upside?

 

Apparently we have to consider his ceiling from *checks post* five years ago.

[notin]

What's the f***ing use or upside?

 

That he might be better than anyone we have in AAA?

[notin]

It is a pretty typical clause. Especially for guys who are used to being paid as top of the rotation starters. To think he's just going to sit in AAA all year is kinda laughable tbh.

 

He's 33. He has a lengthy injury history, a slight frame and an uneven track record when healthy. If you think he's even remotely similar to Alex Cobb, I really don't know what to say. Cobb has been a 2 WAR pitcher every year that he's appeared in 10+ games. The majority of Buchholz's seasons have been worth less than 1 WAR.

 

It's not common or a big deal. If Buchholz insists on it, he still has to earn the spot over other pitchers. Not sure why people think a minor league deal means a mandatory appearance.

 

If you think the Sox should be compelled to call him up just because, then we have the wrong idiot at GM..

[mvp 78]

That he might be better than anyone we have in AAA?

 

You could use the same argument for signing Ubaldo Jimenez.

 

edit - Garza is injured

Edited January 31, 2018 by mvp 78

[notin]

You could use the same argument for signing Ubaldo Jimenez.

 

edit - Garza is injured

 

And I see zero harm in giving him a minor league deal either..

[moonslav59]

That he might be better than anyone we have in AAA?

 

So might the other dozens of unsigned guys I'd prefer.

[mvp 78]

So might the other dozens of unsigned guys I'd prefer.

 

Honestly, PAW should just be 25 starting pitchers on MiLB deals.

[moonslav59]

Speaking of the PAW Roster, if Swihart, Brentz, Marrero and Johnson make the big roster due to no options remaining, then Holt and others start in AAA.

 

SP: Velazquez, Beeks, Elias, Haley, Shepherd (Shawaryn, Lakins & Stanky in AA)

RP: Workman, Taylor, Buttrey, Martin, Jerez, Cuevas, Poyner, Walden (Cosart in AA)

 

C: Butler & Romanski

1B: Travis (Ockimey in AA)

2B: Holt/Quiroz

3B: Chavis/ de Jesus

SS: Lin/Holt/ M Miller

LF: Tavarez

CF: Castillo

RF: Barfield/Mars

DH: Witte

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie won his arbitration case and gets $10.5 million this year.

[harmony]

Mookie won his arbitration case and gets $10.5 million this year.

That makes a difference of $3 million in the luxury tax calculation ... and provides a higher base for his final two arbitration seasons.

Edited January 31, 2018 by harmony

[moonslav59]

Mookie won his arbitration case and gets $10.5 million this year.

 

I hope he's not upset over the rather low counter offer from the Sox.

 

I'd love to extend him before he becomes a FA.

 

This kid is special.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/mookie-betts-wins-arbitration-case-over-red-sox.html

[mvp 78]

Mookie won his arbitration case and gets $10.5 million this year.

 

Good for him.

[mvp 78]

That makes a difference of $3 million in the luxury tax calculation ... and provides a higher base for his final two arbitration seasons.

 

Lock him up.

 

Lock him up.

 

Lock him up.

[Spudboy]

Good.

[moonslav59]

Is this another Trump rally?

[notin]

So might the other dozens of unsigned guys I'd prefer.

 

And I see no harm in any of them getting minor league contracts, something I can safely say without knowing who any of them even are...