2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[moonslav59]

So now he is desperately trying to re-open negotiations with AZ. All things being equal, I believe he goes back to AZ. Maybe even some things being less, he goes back. But how much less, is the question.

 

All things won't be equal. I seriously doubt AZ comes close to a 5 year offer.

[moonslav59]

When you have $125M and you're unhappy another million or two isn't going to make you any happier. If he feels he'd be happier in AZ than in Boston then that's where he should be. Move on.

 

A million is still a million. I'd try for as much as I can get. It's not like there's a danger the Sox will lower or take away the offer without warning.

[moonslav59]

I don't know if I dreamed it or not, but I'm pretty sure someone on MLB Network said last night the Sox actual offer to JDM is 5/110.

 

If that's the highest offer, it's just about right.

 

DD: don't bid against yourself!

 

If you've made the highest offer, and he goes elsewhere, then fine. Just make sure your plan B is still in play and attainable.

[moonslav59]

It would be the ultimate concluding twist to this saga if, after months of everyone assuming JD was going for every last dollar he could possibly get, he took a lesser deal to return to Arizona. It would rather seem like he went to the trouble of hiring Scott Boras for nothing - and indeed, I'm not convinced this isn't some last-ditch effort to wring even more money out of the Red Sox - but if that's truly what he wants, I would not blame him for doing what he thinks will make him happiest...I would only ask that he get on with it sometime soon so everyone can move on with their lives.

 

Snagging Morrison or Duda on a 1-2 year deal (and keeping our powder dry for next winter) is looking better all the time.

 

I'd rather have JD, but LoMo for 2 or Duda for one and then adding a pitcher or Nunez to a 1-3 year deal would work for me, too.

[mvp 78]

I'd rather have JD, but LoMo for 2 or Duda for one and then adding a pitcher or Nunez to a 1-3 year deal would work for me, too.

 

I really don't see them adding a pitcher. If they don't sign JD, they may just get Nunez and LoMo and be done with it. I bet they just sign Nunez and go with Hanley as DH.

[S5Dewey]

A million is still a million. I'd try for as much as I can get. It's not like there's a danger the Sox will lower or take away the offer without warning

 

You know my feeling on that. "Our offer expires at midnight. Every midnight after that it becomes $1M less." Right now JDM has no incentive to make a decision. This would move him 'off the pot'.

[S5Dewey]

Here's a question. What does DD do if Morrison and Duda sign today with someone else and Boras gets back to the Sox and says, "With these other options now off the table my client now wants $200/7."?

[mvp 78]

Here's a question. What does DD do if Morrison and Duda sign today with someone else and Boras gets back to the Sox and says, "With these other options now off the table my client now wants $200/7."?

 

Bye Felicia. He's prepared to go into the season with Hanley as DH if he has to. At worst, he'll go back to Cleveland and talk more about EE.

[mvp 78]

Just saw this now.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/mlb-rumors-jd-martinez-diamondbacks-yu-darvish-brewers.html

 

J.D. Martinez’s name has been connected more with the D-backs in recent days, though Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic posits that it’s difficult to envision the Diamondbacks finding a way to fit Martinez, Zack Greinke and Paul Goldschmidt all on the same payroll, should the team ultimately extend Goldschmidt beyond his current contract (which runs through 2019). That said, Piecoro notes that Martinez loved his time in Arizona, bonded with teammates and likes the upward trajectory of the team. Piecoro also points out that the D-backs hired one of Martinez’s personal hitting coaches, Robert Van Scoyoc, and appointed him to the newly created position of “hitting strategist” within the organization.

 

A reunion with the D-backs could be a stretch financially, but FanRag’s Jon Heyman writes that agent Scott Boras has met with D-backs managing partner Ken Kendrick on multiple occasions this offseason. How aggressive Boras can push Kendrick to be remains to be seen; Heyman notes that Arizona has “signaled a willingness” to go to five years and more than $100MM, though John Gambadoro of 98.7 FM Arizona Sports tweets that, to the contrary, the D-backs aren’t willing to go to that length to retain the slugger.

 

Funny that the Boras stooge Heyman says the DBags can go to 5 years...

 

Also:

 

Logan Morrison is on the Red Sox’ radar as a potential backup option should they not sign Martinez, per Heyman. The 30-year-old would be a considerably more affordable source of power to slot into the DH spot in the lineup (presumably with some occasional time at first base to give Mitch Moreland a break, or in the event of a Moreland injury). It’s been fairly quiet on Morrison for much of the offseason despite the fact that he’s run up a 130 wRC+ over his past 900 big league plate appearances. MLBTR’s Connor Byrne recently took a lengthier look at Morrison’s merits.

 

I'd rather underpay LoMo at this point if indications are that JD doesn't want to come here unless he's massively overpaid.

[cp176]

Bye Felicia. He's prepared to go into the season with Hanley as DH if he has to. At worst, he'll go back to Cleveland and talk more about EE.

 

good one with the bye Felicia stuff - my expression would be don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you - i don't have to look that one up like I had to with the bye Felicia - lol

[moonslav59]

Here's a question. What does DD do if Morrison and Duda sign today with someone else and Boras gets back to the Sox and says, "With these other options now off the table my client now wants $200/7."?

 

I'm pretty sure, if LoMo or Duda are the Sox option B plans, their agents know it.

 

It's in those players' best interest to wait out JD, in hopes the Sox join in on their bidding war and jack up the offers.

 

DD might also have asked their agents to give them a heads up, if they are close to a deal elsewhere.

 

(I still think the Moreland signing was idiotic. We could have had LoMo AND JD, or LoMo + two from Duda or Nunez or a pitcher.)

[mvp 78]

Just saw this now.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/mlb-rumors-jd-martinez-diamondbacks-yu-darvish-brewers.html

 

J.D. Martinez’s name has been connected more with the D-backs in recent days, though Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic posits that it’s difficult to envision the Diamondbacks finding a way to fit Martinez, Zack Greinke and Paul Goldschmidt all on the same payroll, should the team ultimately extend Goldschmidt beyond his current contract (which runs through 2019). That said, Piecoro notes that Martinez loved his time in Arizona, bonded with teammates and likes the upward trajectory of the team. Piecoro also points out that the D-backs hired one of Martinez’s personal hitting coaches, Robert Van Scoyoc, and appointed him to the newly created position of “hitting strategist” within the organization.

 

A reunion with the D-backs could be a stretch financially, but FanRag’s Jon Heyman writes that agent Scott Boras has met with D-backs managing partner Ken Kendrick on multiple occasions this offseason. How aggressive Boras can push Kendrick to be remains to be seen; Heyman notes that Arizona has “signaled a willingness” to go to five years and more than $100MM, though John Gambadoro of 98.7 FM Arizona Sports tweets that, to the contrary, the D-backs aren’t willing to go to that length to retain the slugger.

 

Funny that the Boras stooge Heyman says the DBags can go to 5 years...

 

Also:

 

Logan Morrison is on the Red Sox’ radar as a potential backup option should they not sign Martinez, per Heyman. The 30-year-old would be a considerably more affordable source of power to slot into the DH spot in the lineup (presumably with some occasional time at first base to give Mitch Moreland a break, or in the event of a Moreland injury). It’s been fairly quiet on Morrison for much of the offseason despite the fact that he’s run up a 130 wRC+ over his past 900 big league plate appearances. MLBTR’s Connor Byrne recently took a lengthier look at Morrison’s merits.

 

I'd rather underpay LoMo at this point if indications are that JD doesn't want to come here unless he's massively overpaid.

 

@Gambo987

 

The report that the Dbacks are willing to give JD Martinez a 5-year deal for $100 million is TOTALLY INACCURATE. There is no truth to it. Just Scott Boras spreading rumors -

 

Heyman, please get your lips off of Boras' ass...

[moonslav59]

@Gambo987

 

The report that the Dbacks are willing to give JD Martinez a 5-year deal for $100 million is TOTALLY INACCURATE. There is no truth to it. Just Scott Boras spreading rumors -

 

Heyman, please get your lips off of Boras' ass...

 

Wouldn't spreading these sorts of rumors hurt Boras' chances with AZ?

 

He's putting a lot of pressure on the GM/owner.

[jacksonianmarch]

Morrison or Duda would be a great signing as they would allow you to platoon Hanley and keep that option from vesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the sox have a contingent offer already squared up with LoMo

[mvp 78]

Wouldn't spreading these sorts of rumors hurt Boras' chances with AZ?

 

He's putting a lot of pressure on the GM/owner.

 

That's Boras' go to move, call up the owner and convince them to override the GM.

[moonslav59]

If JD will take $90-100M/5 with AZ over the Sox at $110M/5, then it's probably better we don't sign him.

 

I just do not believe AZ will go near the Sox offer.

 

I'm already thinking we're bargaining against just ourselves, so DD should not budge an inch. (He may already be too high.)

[FredLynn]

You know my feeling on that. "Our offer expires at midnight. Every midnight after that it becomes $1M less." Right now JDM has no incentive to make a decision. This would move him 'off the pot'.

 

This ^^^^^

[moonslav59]

This ^^^^^

 

Why issue an ultimatum right now?

 

Is LoMo signing soon?

[Bellhorn04]

Why issue an ultimatum right now?

 

Is LoMo signing soon?

 

Talksox GM's are playin' hardball now!

[harmony]

You know my feeling on that. "Our offer expires at midnight. Every midnight after that it becomes $1M less." Right now JDM has no incentive to make a decision. This would move him 'off the pot'.

That could make his less desirable destination even less desirable.

 

J.D. Martinez could tell the Red Sox he is prepared to sign with another club if the Boston offer does not change by midnight.

 

All we can speculate at this point is that J.D. Martinez has not reached an agreement with any team.

[Spudboy]

I don't know if I dreamed it or not, but I'm pretty sure someone on MLB Network said last night the Sox actual offer to JDM is 5/110.

 

If that is the case then JD and Borrass are real dummies. That is an outstanding offer. Believing they will get more than that from any team is delusional.

 

Edit.

 

When I posted this I had mos-read Bells post. I thought he had posted 5/150.

 

5/110 is still big money.

Edited February 9, 2018 by Spudboy

[mvp 78]

Talksox GM's are playin' hardball now!

 

Need to know who to send the Valentines to.

[fxkatt]

I'd use the 125 million for JD on Morrison, Cobb, and Nunez. It would give us more depth--and methinks enough power (given last year was an anomaly)

[mvp 78]

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/53896/what-should-boston-do-if-j-d-martinez-really-is-fed-up-with-the-red-sox

 

What to do if JD is really fed up?

 

1. Do Nothing

 

2. Wait for Deadline

 

3. Sign Moose

 

4. Trade JBJ

 

5. Sign JD

 

I'm not a Scott Lauber guy.

[moonslav59]

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/53896/what-should-boston-do-if-j-d-martinez-really-is-fed-up-with-the-red-sox

 

What to do if JD is really fed up?

 

1. Do Nothing

 

2. Wait for Deadline

 

3. Sign Moose

 

4. Trade JBJ

 

5. Sign JD

 

I'm not a Scott Lauber guy.

 

1) sign loMo

2) sign Moose

3) sign Duda & Nunez

4) sign Cobb & Nunez/Duda

[mvp 78]

1) sign loMo

2) sign Moose

3) sign Duda & Nunez

4) sign Cobb & Nunez/Duda

 

Lauber lumps LoMo and Duda in with Carlos Gonzalez for some reason. Yuck.

 

Before someone @'s me, CarGo's OPS+ in COL 127, away from COL 73.

[Natick to NC]

Go get Arietta and Edwin .If JBJ wasn't on the block before he is now . Edited February 9, 2018 by Natick to NC

[notin]

You know my feeling on that. "Our offer expires at midnight. Every midnight after that it becomes $1M less." Right now JDM has no incentive to make a decision. This would move him 'off the pot'.

 

I think the Sox would prefer Martinez sign a contract he wants as opposed to one he was extorted into accepting quickly.

[notin]

Im fine with LoMo and Nunez.

 

And some pitching depth that can be stashed in Pawtucket. Like Hellickson or Buchholz or Locke.

 

As for SP, Tillman and Cashner look like the best bets. Although it is always silly to underestimate Francisco Liriano. ..

[FredLynn]

I think the Sox would prefer Martinez sign a contract he wants as opposed to one he was extorted into accepting quickly.

 

He isn't getting the contract he wants. There will always be some resentment on his part if he is "forced" to sign a contract worth "just" $125M over five years. He thinks, apparently, that he is worth much more. He isn't. Because there will always be resentment on his part I agree with S5: this is the offer today; its reduced by $1M at midnight and at every midnight. Let him sign somewhere else. Its time to look at other alternatives.