2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[moonslav59]

You might be able to do that-if Pedroia was prepared to give up $46 million. (The second $10 million isn't even guaranteed.)

 

Maybe a $28M/28 yr guarantee.

 

It's basically like Pedey playing it halfway on forgoing his whole contract vs getting all of it.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe a $28M/28 yr guarantee.

 

It's basically like Pedey playing it halfway on forgoing his whole contract vs getting all of it.

 

Fun stuff to think about but I don't see any way it can work in reality. In this proposal Pedroia is giving up $28 million, not taking into account the present value of money factor which would be millions more.

 

Plus the 28 year contract would be kind of an eye-raiser for MLB - the connection between the 2 things happening is just too obvious.

[jacksonianmarch]

Of course it would be dumb. But there are some players, though few and far between, that have some professional integrity. I'd like to think that Dustin is one of them.

 

So Pedroia signs a deal that’s under market that is a little long on years and now you think he’s going to give some of it back? That’s a ridiculous ask

[moonslav59]

I seriously doubt he gives a penny back.

 

I was speculating on some sort of possibility of a "compromise", but I know it is highly unlikely.

[jacksonianmarch]

I’d get it if Pedroia got top dollar. But he signed a team friendly contract because he wanted to stay in Boston and he wanted some flexibility to improve the team. You don’t take a team friendly deal then leave more money on the table

[cp176]

It would be an incredibly ugly precedent for future ballplayers. There is 0 chance that it could ever happen. If owners thought for one minute that at the back end of a contract there was a chance that they would get some of their money back... I realize that all professional athletes are over paid but the people paying them are some of the wealthiest people in the world. If Dustin Pedroia never plays in Boston again, John Henry's cash flow will not be affected. Why would he give it back and the better question might be why should he?

[Kimmi]

I agree that Pedroia just might be the guy who would be prepared to give back the money.

 

But he shouldn't do it. It's 4 years. He signed 2 team-friendly deals. If his career is over it's because of injuries he suffered playing the game. It's his money.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think Pedroia would be the guy to do it, but I don't think he owes anybody anything and therefore should do it. If he continues to collect his salary even though he can't play, I would not begrudge him.

[Kimmi]

So Pedroia signs a deal that’s under market that is a little long on years and now you think he’s going to give some of it back? That’s a ridiculous ask

 

You're probably right.

[mvp 78]

So Pedroia signs a deal that’s under market that is a little long on years and now you think he’s going to give some of it back? That’s a ridiculous ask

 

It wasn’t under market when he it was signed.

[mvp 78]

I’d get it if Pedroia got top dollar. But he signed a team friendly contract because he wanted to stay in Boston and he wanted some flexibility to improve the team. You don’t take a team friendly deal then leave more money on the table

 

He was the 2nd highest paid 2b when the ink dried.

[notin]

He was the 2nd highest paid 2b when the ink dried.

 

And the lowest paid former MVP...

[notin]

Except Pedroia's salary would still count against the cap, right?

 

Yes and it will be like $13-14 mill against the luxury tax. Or enough to get a left- handed relief pitcher and a weakside platoon outfielder. ..

[jacksonianmarch]

Pedroia left $40 mil at least on the table in that contract

[harmony]

One blogger proposes a three-way deal in which the Red Sox trade Jackie Bradley Jr., Jason Groome, Michael Chavis, Tanner Houck and C.J. Chatham for Giancarlo Stanton and $45 million in cash:

 

http://www.offthebenchbaseball.com/2017/11/19/giancarlo-stanton-trade-proposal/

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[notin]

One blogger proposes a three-way deal in which the Red Sox trade Jackie Bradley Jr., Jason Groome, Michael Chavis, Tanner Houck and C.J. Chatham for Giancarlo Stanton and $45 million in cash:

 

http://www.offthebenchbaseball.com/2017/11/19/giancarlo-stanton-trade-proposal/

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

It's a pretty sweet deal for the Marlins, who save $15mill if (re: when) Stanton opts out.

 

I could see the Giants trading either Tyler Beede or Chris Shaw for Bradley, but not both. I don't see the addition oof Chatham balancing that iut for them, either...

[harmony]

Boston Herald columnist Jason Mastrodonato proposes a trade of Jackie Bradley Jr., Steven Wright and Michael Chavis for Giancarlo Stanton and $15 million:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/11/mastrodonato_there_is_more_than_one_way_for_red_sox_to_add_power_this

[moonslav59]

Boston Herald columnist Jason Mastrodonato proposes a trade of Jackie Bradley Jr., Steven Wright and Michael Chavis for Giancarlo Stanton and $15 million:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/11/mastrodonato_there_is_more_than_one_way_for_red_sox_to_add_power_this

 

I'd do it, but I think we can get him for less without getting the $15M.

 

It seems absurd for Miami to pay Boston anything. Just give less in return.

[Larry Cook]

Boston Herald columnist Jason Mastrodonato proposes a trade of Jackie Bradley Jr., Steven Wright and Michael Chavis for Giancarlo Stanton and $15 million:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/11/mastrodonato_there_is_more_than_one_way_for_red_sox_to_add_power_this

 

Seems very light in the pitching going to Miami column.

[moonslav59]

Seems very light in the pitching going to Miami column.

 

My guess is they'd make the trade without Wright and no money exchanging hands.

 

They'd flip JBJ for 2-3 more prospects and save $30M a year.

[moonslav59]

One blogger proposes a three-way deal in which the Red Sox trade Jackie Bradley Jr., Jason Groome, Michael Chavis, Tanner Houck and C.J. Chatham for Giancarlo Stanton and $45 million in cash:

 

http://www.offthebenchbaseball.com/2017/11/19/giancarlo-stanton-trade-proposal/

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

I think we could offer Chavis, Houck, Beeks and Scherff with no JBJ and no money changing hands. Maybe we have to give Groome instead of Beeks or Scherff.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gammons is saying Swihart will be getting reps as a 2b

[Bellhorn04]

I think we could offer Chavis, Houck, Beeks and Scherff with no JBJ and no money changing hands. Maybe we have to give Groome instead of Beeks or Scherff.

 

I'm starting to think that if we have to give up any good prospects for Stanton we should just forget it and sign JD Martinez.

 

I'd prefer Stanton but I'd rather we just took his whole contract and gave only a second-rate prospect or two.

 

Of course it all depends what other teams are offering.

[mvp 78]

And the lowest paid former MVP...

 

Not true at all. A simple check at former mvps list a few players that were paid less than Pedroia at contract signing time (Rollins among others).

 

Let’s just make s*** up tho!

[mvp 78]

I'd do it, but I think we can get him for less without getting the $15M.

 

It seems absurd for Miami to pay Boston anything. Just give less in return.

 

They don’t want less tho. They want much more. That’s why I want JD instead.

[Bellhorn04]

Not true at all. A simple check at former mvps list a few players that were paid less than Pedroia at contract signing time (Rollins among others).

 

Let’s just make s*** up tho!

 

If you really want to do a proper comp with that Pedroia extension why not use WAR?

[Jack Flap]

I'm starting to think that if we have to give up any good prospects for Stanton we should just forget it and sign JD Martinez.

 

I'd prefer Stanton but I'd rather we just took his whole contract and gave only a second-rate prospect or two.

 

Of course it all depends what other teams are offering.

 

I feel the same way. Stanton is younger and the better player, but if one will require gutting what's left of the farm system whereas the other costs only money, I'll take the latter.

[dgalehouse]

I think we could offer Chavis, Houck, Beeks and Scherff with no JBJ and no money changing hands. Maybe we have to give Groome instead of Beeks or Scherff.

 

Chavis and Houck? ... And Beeks. Chavis and Houck and Beeks. Oh my. Seriously , I would be amazed if Miami went for that. Even with the immortal Scherff included. Stanton is one of the best, if not the best , slugger in the game today. Surely , they will get better offers than that.

[Bellhorn04]

Chavis and Houck? ... And Beeks. Chavis and Houck and Beeks. Oh my. Seriously , I would be amazed if Miami went for that. Even with the immortal Scherff included. Stanton is one of the best, if not the best , slugger in the game today. Surely , they will get better offers than that.

 

We'll see what happens. But the thing is, the Marlins are only trading Stanton because they need payroll relief. It's a salary dump, and a huge one. Normally when you dump salary you do not get much back in the way of talent.

[notin]

Not true at all. A simple check at former mvps list a few players that were paid less than Pedroia at contract signing time (Rollins among others).

 

Let’s just make s*** up tho!

 

And 39yo Ichiro was making less then, too. But even Rollins, who was 33 when he signed his extension, made very similar annual money to Pedroia despite being 3 years older at the time and exiting his prime years.

 

So why do you think signing 30yo Pedroia to a below-market deal was a bad idea, but making 30yo JD Martinez one of the highest paid outfielders, possibly the highest paid, in MLB history is a good idea? Martinez hasn't been nearly as good at his position as Pedroia and JD is unlikely to suddenly become a playervwith no health issues in his 30s...

[Spudboy]

We'll see what happens. But the thing is, the Marlins are only trading Stanton because they need payroll relief. It's a salary dump, and a huge one. Normally when you dump salary you do not get much back in the way of talent.

 

Yup. The Statue has said that he has to get payroll down to no more than $90. mil or their business model does not work. That is serious stuff and a very strong motivator.

 

Something has got to give soon or the Marlins will likely look like dopes.

 

They must get out from under the Stanton contract or they are pretty much f***ed.