2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[Bellhorn04]

He was the 6th best 2b per WAR in 2016. That was his highest WAR since 2011. Seems like an outlier to me.

 

Balderdash.

 

2012 4.5

2013 5.2

2014 4.1

2015 2.6

2016 5.4

 

Except for 2015 that's a pretty tight little group.

[sk7326]

A 3-4 win player at Pedroia's salary is a steal.

[Spudboy]

None of Pedroia's performance history and WAR mean much if his knee is junk.

 

He has been a bargain but if he can not play the field anywhere near as well as he has and his bat is diminished he is useless.

 

Expecting 90-110 games from him now seems optimistic if his knee is that f***ed up.

 

And what of Nunez's knee? Those advocating him as a must sign to fill the likely gap Pedroia will create keep ignoring that his knee may prevent him from doing so.

[oldtimer]

None of Pedroia's performance history and WAR mean much if his knee is junk.

 

He has been a bargain but if he can not play the field anywhere near as well as he has and his bat is diminished he is useless.

 

Expecting 90-110 games from him now seems optimistic if his knee is that f***ed up.

 

And what of Nunez's knee? Those advocating him as a must sign to fill the likely gap Pedroia will create keep ignoring that his knee may prevent him from doing so.

 

These are very reaql c oncerns about both Pedey and Nunez.Then, thew Sox medical staff has not been very good at assessing injuriies either. Pedey is owed $14 mil next year and into the future. They will try to use him unless surgery eliminates him in 2018. Nunez was the best hitter on the Sox in 2017 for the time he was here until his knee injury. If he can do a fill in job plus backing up other positions we are in better shape. If he can't do it, we need to find a player like Cozart who can.

[Spudboy]

So Dave tell us more about how no Sox players are to have surgery this off-season.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/hanley-ramirez-undergoes-shoulder-surgery.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=face

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2017 by Spudboy

[Larry Cook]

These are very reaql c oncerns about both Pedey and Nunez.Then, thew Sox medical staff has not been very good at assessing injuriies either. Pedey is owed $14 mil next year and into the future. They will try to use him unless surgery eliminates him in 2018. Nunez was the best hitter on the Sox in 2017 for the time he was here until his knee injury. If he can do a fill in job plus backing up other positions we are in better shape. If he can't do it, we need to find a player like Cozart who can.

 

If Nunez had a torn pcl, he will need surgery and at least a six month recovery period.

[oldtimer]

Interesting talk todaqy about potential trade targets on the Marlins. There we three suggested anyone of which might come to pass.

 

1 Giancarlo Stanton for Bogey, Travis and Groome

 

2. Marcell Ozuna for E-Rod, JBJ and Travis

 

3. Christian Yelich for JBJ, Schefff and Brannen

 

Certainly food for thought and getting Ozuna might be the best of the suggested three. Would change our outfield and give us a better hitter with more pop. E-Rod might be medically unable to play next year which could queer that deal.

 

Stanton is someone who is sought after but might be the wrong move with some big names coming available in the following year. I hate to see Bogey go without one more year to correct his offense and Groome looks like an excellent SP prospect. I don't like that suggested trade.

 

In the case of a trade for Yelich, he wouldn't add power but might we be a more consistent hitter. I don't like giving Brannen away in any trade as the kid is likely a 5 tool player of the future destined to do well in the Red Sox outfield. I can't see us trading for more than one starting outfielder this off season.

[mvp 78]

Stanton for Bogey/Travis/Groome? Sign me up yesterday. I can't imagine that would be an actual trade though.

[Kimmi]

Once again, 1000 times no on Stanton. Especially if trading for him is going to create a hole or holes elsewhere.

[Jack Flap]

Honestly, I'm having a hard time seeing why we'd chase Stanton when JDM is available for just money (and a lot less of it).

[Jack Flap]

Stanton for Bogey/Travis/Groome? Sign me up yesterday. I can't imagine that would be an actual trade though.

 

Who's playing SS?

[Kimmi]

Honestly, I'm having a hard time seeing why we'd chase Stanton when JDM is available for just money (and a lot less of it).

 

Agree 100%. I'm not even sure I'm fully on board with signing JD (depends on the length of the contract), but I'd much prefer JD for about 1/2 of Stanton's contract and not having to give up players to boot.

[a700hitter]

Stanton for Bogey/Travis/Groome? Sign me up yesterday. I can't imagine that would be an actual trade though.

I'm in.

[moonslav59]

I'm in.

 

I'd add the promising Flores as well.

[bowman]

I'm in too.

[moonslav59]

If Miami takes Bogey, it will be to flip him. Same with JBJ.

 

I'm not sure I'd give both, as I'm not sure we can fill both holes plus 1B/DH and SP'er.

 

Assuming they find a team to flip a B to, I'd offer 4...

 

Bogey or JBJ

Chavis, Travis or Ockimey

Groome or Mata

Houck, Beeks, Scherff, Brannen or Shawaryn (last resort, add Flores to this list)

 

If they want Holt, Swihart, Marrero

[Spudboy]

I'm in.

 

Me too.

[mvp 78]

Who's playing SS?

 

Marrero would be fine.

[mvp 78]

I'd add the promising Flores as well.

 

And then you'd complain about a cliff a few months later.

[jacksonianmarch]

If Miami takes Bogey, it will be to flip him. Same with JBJ.

 

I'm not sure I'd give both, as I'm not sure we can fill both holes plus 1B/DH and SP'er.

 

Assuming they find a team to flip a B to, I'd offer 4...

 

Bogey or JBJ

Chavis, Travis or Ockimey

Groome or Mata

Houck, Beeks, Scherff, Brannen or Shawaryn (last resort, add Flores to this list)

 

If they want Holt, Swihart, Marrero

 

Groome or Mata aren't getting it done. Groome is a top 100 prospect for upside alone. He has yet to show he can pitch as a professional or stay healthy

[moonslav59]

And then you'd complain about a cliff a few months later.

 

We made the bed, so we better sleep in it.

 

We need to win a ring in 2-3 years to make trading much of the future away worth it.

 

Playing it halfway is the worst strategy.

[notin]

Stanton for Bogey/Travis/Groome? Sign me up yesterday. I can't imagine that would be an actual trade though.

 

That seems insanely light to me too.

 

I predict Stanton goes to the Dodgers for a package that includes Puig and someone like Walker Buehlet, Alex Verdugo or Willie Calhoun. Probably Calhoun

 

I'm souring on Ozuna/Bradley swaps. That seems like a buy high/sell low scenario. Both Bradley and Ozuna are worth 7.3 fWAR over the past two seasons. A straight up swap would be fine, but makes less sense for Miami.

[notin]

Thtee way deals are tough to predict, but one that makes some sense might be the following:

 

Arizona gets Xander Bogaerts.

White Sox get Pavin Smith, Jon Duplantier and New Lenox IL native Sam Travis.

Boston gets Jose Abreu and Ketel Marte.

[a700hitter]

Thtee way deals are tough to predict, but one that makes some sense might be the following:

 

Arizona gets Xander Bogaerts.

White Sox get Pavin Smith, Jon Duplantier and New Lenox IL native Sam Travis.

Boston gets Jose Abreu and Ketel Marte.

I'd take that in a heart beat. We wouldn't be losing anything as there is a good chance that Marte ends ip being better than Xander.

[harmony]

That seems insanely light to me too.

 

I predict Stanton goes to the Dodgers for a package that includes Puig and someone like Walker Buehlet, Alex Verdugo or Willie Calhoun. Probably Calhoun

 

I'm souring on Ozuna/Bradley swaps. That seems like a buy high/sell low scenario. Both Bradley and Ozuna are worth 7.3 fWAR over the past two seasons. A straight up swap would be fine, but makes less sense for Miami.

The Los Angeles Dodgers traded Willie Calhoun to the Texas Rangers in the Yu Darvish deadline deal.

[notin]

The Los Angeles Dodgers traded Willie Calhoun to the Texas Rangers in the Yu Darvish deadline deal.

 

 

Ok. But I'm confident those sides can work something out. I do think the Dodgers would prefer to keep Buehlet and Verdugo.

 

Joc Pederson might be in play...

[harmony]

Thtee way deals are tough to predict, but one that makes some sense might be the following:

 

Arizona gets Xander Bogaerts.

White Sox get Pavin Smith, Jon Duplantier and New Lenox IL native Sam Travis.

Boston gets Jose Abreu and Ketel Marte.

The Diamondbacks certainly get the short end of that deal, giving up four years of a potentially better shortstop, plus their top two prospects ranked in the Top 100 overall, for two years of an unspectacular Xander Bogaerts.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=ari

Edited October 19, 2017 by harmony

[notin]

I'd take that in a heart beat. We wouldn't be losing anything as there is a good chance that Marte ends ip being better than Xander.

 

Marte might necessitate the Sox sending more. It's very situational at that point, since I'm not sure how they value him.

 

I wouldn't consider dropping him to be a deal breaker.

 

I also don't think he'll be better than Bogaerts at any point...

[notin]

The Diamondbacks certainly get the short end of that deal, giving up four years of a potentially better shortstop, plus their top two prospects ranked in the Top 100 overall, for two years of an unspectacular Xander Bogaerts.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=ari

 

And yet Bogaerts still ranked 45 on Fangraphs midseason trade value, unlike anyone else in that deal.

 

Of course, whatever prospects CWS and AD agree upon can change anyway

[mvp 78]

And yet Bogaerts still ranked 45 on Fangraphs midseason trade value, unlike anyone else in that deal.

 

Of course, whatever prospects CWS and AD agree upon can change anyway

 

He was on fire midseason. He fell apart down the stretch.