Sale

[mvp 78]

No one said incredibly tough. But they are one of the best teams and they might be playing for something.

 

Read Tyler's post again.

[mvp 78]

In the intangibles department, I think not starting Sale last night would have sent a bad message to the team. Like 'No worries, boys, we've got this thing wrapped up, gonna start resting guys and setting things up for the ALDS...heh heh...'

 

No one said "don't start him" just need to manage his innings (i.e. pitch 5 or 6 innings rather than 8).

[Nick]

No one said "don't start him" just need to manage his innings (i.e. pitch 5 or 6 innings rather than 8).

 

Wrong. Moon started with a comment 'skip his turn'.

[Slasher9]

I say throw the motherf***er out there again Tuesday and let him pitch until his arm falls off so the Sox take the division.

 

This is big dick time.

 

It's not the time to keep it in your pants.

 

Not starting Sale is playing to loose.

 

Nick is right.

 

i agree with you alot spud. but on this one i gotta say forest for the trees.....

[moonslav59]

Bullpen needed some rest too. We had played 8 straight days including a 15 inning game and 2 11 inning games.

 

There's like 18 pitchers in the pen now.

[Nick]

Yankees are hot and they finish with 6 games vs Toronto, 3 vs Tampa and a make up game vs Kansas City. No reason not to think they can stay hot. We haven't won anything yet.

[Slasher9]

As far as I can tell this idea the starting pitcher always benefits from rest is so much toxic brain fluff. We've all seen the guy who comes back after a rest period and can't find his rhythm. You're rolling the dice either way so I'd rather roll them in a way that secures the playoffs.

 

we arent talking about "the guy". we are talking about Chris Freakin' Sale.

and this is Chris Freakin' Sale on 6+ days of rest: 1.88 / 0.978 whip

REST HIM.

[Slasher9]

Fear the might of the Dojjarajah

 

or we can look at actual numbers. either way.

[Slasher9]

90% doesn't get it. If we lost last night it would probably be down to 80% or something. Yanks are hot and have a cupcake schedule for their last 10.

 

and we scored how many runs last night? fillintheblank could have won that start last night and Sale would have all those bullets still in his arm.

btw - 90% is 90%. it's 90% for a reason...not some random number.

[moonslav59]

Wrong. Moon started with a comment 'skip his turn'.

 

Actually, I wanted to push him back a day or two starting 1 or 2 starts back, but Yes, I wanted him to be pushed back 1 game (which would have been 2 days). Then, we line him up better for game one of the playoffs.

 

Someone says now that he has 300 K's we don't have to start him again. Really?

 

Is giving him 2 extra days now and then 11 days off is worse than no extra rest now and 13 days later?

 

Sale will get 1 more start. Pitching him last night gave us the choice to use him twice, if needed to win the division. Using him the last day of the season would not allow us to start him game 1. It's not a biggie, because he can still start 2 games in the first series (game 2 and 5). However, if we really wanted to set him up for game 1, we'd have given him last night off, 1-2 extra days before his next start and set him up for game 1 with 1-2 extra days off again. We'd lose one start but (hopefully) stregthen Sale's chances of being dominating in all of his next starts, including the one regular season start remaining in this scenario.

 

It's not a dumb idea. It was not a non issue. There's strong reasons on both sides of the decision made.

 

Now, there is little choice left but to start Sale once or twice and how much time it too much time before a playoff game.

 

[Slasher9]

Sure can't disagree with them old stats. Wait a minute - of course I can. I thought he looked pretty good last night. As a matter of fact I thought he looked dominant. I'm not saying that you run him into the ground but guess I am just not that concerned about Chris Sale. You just wanted to see Price get two or three innings didn't you? lol

 

its the same lineup that Pomeranz dominated the night before. actually even easier...no machado. pretty sure i could have pitched 5 scoreless last night....

[mvp 78]

we arent talking about "the guy". we are talking about Chris Freakin' Sale.

and this is Chris Freakin' Sale on 6+ days of rest: 1.88 / 0.978 whip

REST HIM.

 

Pffft, that's just toxic brain fluff.

[moonslav59]

we arent talking about "the guy". we are talking about Chris Freakin' Sale.

and this is Chris Freakin' Sale on 6+ days of rest: 1.88 / 0.978 whip

REST HIM.

 

Ding-ding-DING!

 

It's...

 

Chris Freakin' Sale!

[mvp 78]

and we scored how many runs last night? fillintheblank could have won that start last night and Sale would have all those bullets still in his arm.

btw - 90% is 90%. it's 90% for a reason...not some random number.

 

After 5 IP, the Sox were up 6-0. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect the bullpen could get 4 innings as they are getting a rest today.

[mvp 78]

its the same lineup that Pomeranz dominated the night before. actually even easier...no machado. pretty sure i could have pitched 5 scoreless last night....

 

They sat the whole left side of their IF (Machado and Beckham). Even Orioles fans were saying it was a weird lineup.

[Slasher9]

guess I'm just not convinced that any substantial extra rest is going to make that much difference with Sale.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=salech01&year=Career&t=p

scroll down to "Days of Rest" and see if you still feel the same way...

[TylerD]

Why will the Astros series be incredibly tough? Shouldn't they be resting most of their starters by then?

 

I still don't feel good about us resting a lot of our players against Houston. I guess when the series comes we will have a better look at the division. The reds is important and would be nice to get a sweep and really get ahead of the Yankees but if it comes down to the Yankees being a game behind us I just don't feel comfortable about resting our top players. Do they need it? Absolutely but the Yankees could honestly win out and regardless if Houston is resting quite a few of their players it could still be a tough series.

[SoxnCycles]

When the Sox implode in the playoffs this year, it wont be because Chris Sale was tired.

He may lose a game, but it'll be a 1-0 or 2-1 loss.

[Slasher9]

I'm not into the crow stuff. I'm just not taking this division for granted at all yet. The Yanks have 6 games left vs Toronto, 3 vs Rays, 1 vs KC. 7 are at home. They might win out. We have 4 left against Houston, and Houston is only one out in the loss column for best record in the AL.

 

90%. before JF decided to allow Sale to throw 111 pitches against Baltimore's B team.....

[moonslav59]

Here are the numbers again...

 

Here is Sale's record on various days rest:

3 days 5.40/ 1.80

4 days 3.10/ 1.08

5 days 3.25/ 1.03

6 or more days 1.88/ 0.98

 

[Slasher9]

90%. before JF decided to allow Sale to throw 111 pitches against Baltimore's B team.....

 

FWIW....those 111 bullets were wasted for 0.4%.

Red Sox to win the division: 91.7%.

Edited September 21, 2017 by Slasher9
math...i suck at it

[Nick]

FWIW....those 111 bullets were wasted for 0.4%.

Red Sox to win the division: 91.7%.

 

Red Sox NOT to win the division; 8.3% High enough for me to pitch Sale, especially last night. He can skip his last start and he will have 5 or 6 days off.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I'm not into the crow stuff. I'm just not taking this division for granted at all yet. The Yanks have 6 games left vs Toronto, 3 vs Rays, 1 vs KC. 7 are at home. They might win out. We have 4 left against Houston, and Houston is only one out in the loss column for best record in the AL.

 

Toronto and the Rays always play us and the Yankees tough. I'm not saying the Yankees schedule is not easier than ours for the rest of the month, but I doubt they win out.

[TylerD]

When the Sox implode in the playoffs this year, it wont be because Chris Sale was tired.

He may lose a game, but it'll be a 1-0 or 2-1 loss.

 

Yes I tend to agree with this. I still would have liked to give Sale some rest had we clinched the division by now but I agree with how good he looked last night there is no way one extra game will make him tired and play like crap come playoffs (at least I hope not) He has still been inconsistent and some rest would have been nice. However the division race is just too close to rest our best players right now. It is what it is and I am sure a lot of teams right now would love to be in our position of likely winning their division and making playoffs. You have to go with the hand you are dealt.

[devildavid]

FWIW....those 111 bullets were wasted for 0.4%.

Red Sox to win the division: 91.7%.

 

All I can think is that the bullpen got so much use in the extra inning games that maybe Farrell (and Sale) wanted to give it a rest. But with the game in hand it does seem like Sale should have been taken out sooner and throw some scrub bullpen arms to mop up. Not really sure what the thinking (if any) was to leave him out there for 111 pitches and 8 innings.

[S5Dewey]

I'm not into the crow stuff. I'm just not taking this division for granted at all yet. The Yanks have 6 games left vs Toronto, 3 vs Rays, 1 vs KC. 7 are at home. They might win out. We have 4 left against Houston, and Houston is only one out in the loss column for best record in the AL.

 

The "randomness" of baseball would tell us that the Y's should start losing soon. Of course, that same "randomness" would also tell us that the Guardians' streak is just a mirage.

[Bellhorn04]

There's like 18 pitchers in the pen now.

 

Great-we could have just used the crappy ones last night then.

[Bellhorn04]

and we scored how many runs last night?

 

Yeah, that's great, after the fact. The previous night we scored 1 run in 11 innings on a wild pitch. As you know, many games we have struggled to scored runs.

[Bellhorn04]

Toronto and the Rays always play us and the Yankees tough. I'm not saying the Yankees schedule is not easier than ours for the rest of the month, but I doubt they win out.

 

I agree it's a longshot they win out, but they are on a roll. And it's completely out of our hands.

[Bellhorn04]

FWIW....those 111 bullets were wasted for 0.4%.

Red Sox to win the division: 91.7%.

 

I can't believe how comforting you find those little probability calculations. 2011 wasn't that long ago.