Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[moonslav59]

It's often not the 'splashy' moves that make a difference, but the more subtle ones.

 

Gray pitched pretty well. It was more "splashy", but it was also a great trade (IMO).

[Emp9]

I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that Dombrowski ran circles around Cashman, but I very happy with what Dombrowski did at the deadline, including the pickup of Reed.

 

It's a small sample which is very unlikely to continue at this pace, but our team has been improved nonetheless.

 

Nunez was my second choice, but as others have mentioned... Harrison would've cost much more to get. Nunez could've ended up my first choice if I'd known how much difference in cost was. Both could spell Pedroia if need be, so that's an added bonus I really liked. Nunez is in his prime, having a career year. He's a career .280 hitter but batting .320 this year. Career .320 OBP, .350 this year. Career .412 SLG%, this year .460. There's no commitment here other than this year. Strike while the iron is hot.

 

Reed hardly walks anyone, has closing experience, could be a Closer for half the league IMO, pitching 7th or 8th inning for us.

 

These were very good moves in my opinion. I really like DD's low-key trade deadline moves (ala Ziegler). Nothing too flashy, all about the need.

[Emp9]

Gray pitched pretty well. It was more "splashy", but it was also a great trade (IMO).

 

well there are those too

[a700hitter]

The Yankees are now stuck with Todd Frazier. The Yankees have given Frazier 53 PA and he is batting under .200 with 1 HR. LOL. I'm unhappy that Dombrowski didn't acquire Duda, but I have to give him credit for running circles around Cashman and for improving the offense with Nunez and Devers.

Cashman addressed every need of his team and parted with 1 top 50 prospect. He also acquired a rotation piece for the next few years.

[moonslav59]

Cashman addressed every need of his team and parted with 1 top 50 prospect. He also acquired a rotation piece for the next few years.

 

Cashman has been nothing short of brilliant of late.

 

Much of his success has been in acquiring top prospects with no value except speculative.

 

Hmmmm.....

[BstHcpr]

Cashman has been nothing short of brilliant of late.

 

Much of his success has been in acquiring top prospects with no value except speculative.

 

Hmmmm.....

 

All future value is speculative.

[moonslav59]

All future value is speculative.

 

...and the now was once the future.

[Kimmi]

Gray pitched pretty well. It was more "splashy", but it was also a great trade (IMO).

 

Yeah, Gray did pitch well. My post was not specifically in regards to the Gray trade, but just in general.

[Kimmi]

Nunez was my second choice, but as others have mentioned... Harrison would've cost much more to get. Nunez could've ended up my first choice if I'd known how much difference in cost was. Both could spell Pedroia if need be, so that's an added bonus I really liked. Nunez is in his prime, having a career year. He's a career .280 hitter but batting .320 this year. Career .320 OBP, .350 this year. Career .412 SLG%, this year .460. There's no commitment here other than this year. Strike while the iron is hot.

 

Reed hardly walks anyone, has closing experience, could be a Closer for half the league IMO, pitching 7th or 8th inning for us.

 

These were very good moves in my opinion. I really like DD's low-key trade deadline moves (ala Ziegler). Nothing too flashy, all about the need.

 

I believe you were one of the first to declare that you really liked the Nunez trade, before he even played a game for us. Good call.

 

I like what Dombrowski did at the deadline.

[Kimmi]

Cashman has been nothing short of brilliant of late.

 

Much of his success has been in acquiring top prospects with no value except speculative.

 

Hmmmm.....

 

Cashman has been very Theo like.

[moonslav59]

Cashman has been very Theo like.

 

Early Sox Theo.

 

Cub Theo.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Replacing C.Young with J.Bruce would make a lot of sense and greatly improve the Red Sox depth. C.Young has been useless all year.

[moonslav59]

Replacing C.Young with J.Bruce would make a lot of sense and greatly improve the Red Sox depth. C.Young has been useless all year.

 

Would Bruce's salary put us over the luxury limit?

 

If so, I doubt we sacrifice that priority for an upgrade at 4th OF'er and possibly DH.

 

Now, if HRam looks like he might be out for a long time, and Nunez will need to cover for Pedey longer than we hope then maybe...

[jacksonianmarch]

In retrospect, knowing what we know now, I think Dombrowski outsmarted Brian Cashman.

 

It looked like the Red Sox were interested in Frazier, but we can now safety assume they weren't. (1) The Red Sox knew that Pedroia needed to go on the DL and so Nunez was the target all along, not Frazier. Nunez can play 2b, Frazier can't. (2) The Red Sox internally decided that Devers would be called up, thus meaning that Frazier wasn't needed. (3) The Yankees acquired Frazier thinking they were taking a player from the Red Sox. And now the Yankees have done something pretty stupid--they have Frazier at 3b and Headley at 1b. A better move: keep Headley at 3b and trade for a guy like Duda (putting up big numbers for Tampa Bay) or Alonso.

 

The Yankees are now stuck with Todd Frazier. The Yankees have given Frazier 53 PA and he is batting under .200 with 1 HR. LOL. I'm unhappy that Dombrowski didn't acquire Duda, but I have to give him credit for running circles around Cashman and for improving the offense with Nunez and Devers.

 

I nominate this for the dumbest post of the deadline

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I nominate this for the dumbest post of the deadline

 

That's what you said about my Clint Frazier post on his mediocre minor league numbers/performance. How is Clint Frazier doing now? Cashman has made some good decisions but going into the stretch run with T.Frazier and C.Headley as his starting corner infielders aint one of them.

 

Would Bruce's salary put us over the luxury limit?

 

That's the problem. The Red Sox might need the Mets owners to kick in some money. If the Mets kick in money, they will expect a better prospect in return for Bruce.

 

I would be tempted to make it work somehow. If the Red Sox trade for Bruce and release Young, they would need a right handed bat to platoon with Benintendi, but they could promote Brentz for that role and put Holt on the DL (if he doesn't have an option remaining). Alternatively, the Red Sox could keep Holt and use Nunez in LF against lefties. That would work--Nunez has played 19 games in LF this year with the Giants. With Nunez on the team and his ability to play LF, there is less need/use for C.Young, opening the door for a better bat.

Edited August 6, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

Have you looked at Headley's numbers since he moved to 1b?

 

Frazier we got for free. The guys we gave up were for DRob and Kahnle, who we control for multiple seasons. Cash has made a point in not spending major prospect capital on rentals. Our only two rental acquisitions (Garcia and Frazier) were acquired without giving up much of anything at all.

 

At the same time, you don't make an acquisition like Frazier's and then up and replace him a week or two later. The guy has a track record and this season, he's has an otherworldly low BABIP, suggesting a correction to the norm and an improvement, which to this point hasn't happened.

 

On to the CFrazier talk, he's a rookie who isn't getting regular playing time. He came out gangbusters then basically started platooning with Ellsbury. I get that he isn't walking, but he deserves some more PT, especially with Ells and Holliday making Mendoza look like a heavy hitter since July 1.

 

DD didn't outsmart anyone. He doesn't have the prospect capital to make major moves. He got Nunez as Devers insurance should the kid come up and suck. He got Reed because most teams saw him for what he was, an overachieving homer prone rental. To this point DD's moves have worked. You couldn't have assumed DD knew that Nunez would hit .417 in 8 games. He didn't even know if Devers would be good in his first go round and he admitted as much on EEI. To this point, the sox have improved since the ASB because they are hitting. The Yankees lost 4 in a row because their previously 2nd in baseball offense hasn't. There are 7 weeks left to the season, there's plenty more time for either GM to prove if their moves work or not

[Bellhorn04]

DD didn't outsmart anyone. He got Reed because most teams saw him for what he was, an overachieving homer prone rental.

 

An overachieving homer prone rental - that really has a ring to it.

 

Are you implying that DD didn't know Reed was a rental?

[bowman]

He has plenty of prospects to move are you kidding me. Why don't you f.... tread on a Yankee forum. Hows Ells working out for ya, about as good as a move as Pablo..

[Kimmi]

Early Sox Theo.

 

Cub Theo.

 

Not overruled by Larry Theo.

 

I have said the same thing about Cashman for years. IMO, I think he's a very good GM who, unfortunately, had to deal with Levine and boss George.

[Emp9]

An overachieving homer prone rental - that really has a ring to it.

 

Are you implying that DD didn't know Reed was a rental?

 

jacksonianmarch is correct. Reed IS overachieving... for the 3rd year in a row.

[moonslav59]

jacksonianmarch is correct. Reed IS overachieving... for the 3rd year in a row.

 

...and Kahnle is for a half a year, and Yankee fans are all gah-gah over him.

[oldtimer]

...and Kahnle is for a half a year, and Yankee fans are all gah-gah over him.

 

They got Frazier as well and we didn't. Smart on our part.

[moonslav59]

They got Frazier as well and we didn't. Smart on our part.

 

Frazier has had a worse second half in every single season he's been in the majors.

 

Very smart.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Stellar defense from Frazier and Headley in yesterday's game. To be fair, Frazier does have a good defensive reputation, but he feels like an automatic out at the plate. Headley is going through a good stretch at the plate, but he is a s***** hitter and has been a s***** hitter for three years now (large sample size). And it looks like he has real problems catching hop throws at first base.

 

Cashman has made a lot of good moves, but his decision making at the corner infield positions has been a total train wreck. The Yankees really suck at 1b and 3b.

 

Cashman had a chance to bring Duda in (and keep Headley at third) but he decided to "steal" Frazier from the Red Sox. I'm sure Dombrowski had a good laugh over that.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[BstHcpr]

...and Kahnle is for a half a year, and Yankee fans are all gah-gah over him.

 

They should be. He's good.

[moonslav59]

They should be. He's good.

 

I'd be happy to have him on the Sox, but I'm not convinced he is really as good as this half season sample size shows.

[BstHcpr]

How about Granderson as the new Red Sox DH? He'd cost next to nothing.

[moonslav59]

How about Granderson as the new Red Sox DH? He'd cost next to nothing.

 

I've been trying to pump up HRam's reputation all season, but I'm close to giving up on him.

[BstHcpr]

I've been trying to pump up HRam's reputation all season, but I'm close to giving up on him.

 

We could go with a bench of Young, Granderson, Nunez, and Leon in October. Granderson could DH against RHP with Moreland or Ramirez playing 1B.

[a700hitter]

I've been trying to pump up HRam's reputation all season, but I'm close to giving up on him.

It isn't a propaganda contest or a popularity contest. It doesn't matter whether anyone pumps up a guy or not. Baseball is results oriented.