Farrell

[Kimmi]

Farrell managed a terrific Game 3. The Red Sox were terrible in Games 1 and 2, although it was basically all about pitchers giving up homeruns - and not much Farrell could do there. Farrell basically had to get himself run yesterday - whatchagonnado.

 

The Sox got greedy with Sale I think - it made sense to go to Kimbrel for 6 outs - or just to the set up guys in a bullpen which has been good all year.

 

I can see both sides of keeping/not keeping Farrell. I can roll with Dombrowski's decision either way here ... although it is certainly possible to pick somebody worse.

 

+102

[BstHcpr]

I don't disagree that Moreland is likely to be at least as good as Hanley in 2018.

 

The only thing is, Hanley is already paid for 2018. And Moreland had a good enough year that he might be able to get a deal for $9-10 million a year now.

 

A .769 OPS 1B is not going to get $10 million a year.

[Kimmi]

I think the areas where a manager can directly impact winning and losing are small (for instance: the missed challenge in Game 2 of the Yankees-Guardians series ... though it is possible Girardi was covering for his replay guy ... managing pitching staffs more generally). But that does not mean there aren't a lot of areas where they can indirectly impact winning - the way a good boss at work can help employees be better versions of themselves.

 

There is benefit to a new voice sometimes.

 

+103

[Northern Star]

+103

 

"What is the next number in this sequence?"

[Kimmi]

"What is the next number in this sequence?"

 

It depends on how good the post is.

[moonslav59]

I don't agree. If he has those two wounded shoulders I don't see him rebounding to his career norms or being a good value.

 

And as far as my lame-ass idea of trading or getting rid of one of our best HR hitters is concerned, have you compared his 2017 offensive numbers with the guy you are so quick to release, Mitch Moreland?

 

Moreland had only one HR less than Hanley yet had superior numbers in every offensive category except SB where Hanley had a whopping 1.

 

Hanley cost $22. mil., Moreland $5.5 mil.

 

Your idea that I want to get rid of a valuable HR guy is plain stupid when compared to your insistence of getting rid of Moreland.

 

Logic fail.

 

Yes. Your logic fails.. i agree.

[Spudboy]

Weaksouce.

[moonslav59]

Moreland has been under .737 in 3 of the last 5 years.

 

HRam has been under .737 once in the past 6 years- the year his shoulder was smashed- in.

 

I don;t have much confidence in either of these guys. HRam is a little older and more injury prone, but he's under contract, so we bring him back and see what he's got. If he sucks we boot him.

 

My plan also makes sure we're covered, if he does suck. I want us to sign JD to play DH and maybe some 1B, Duda to platoonb with HRam or play 1B, and Nunez, which would allow Pedey to DH instead of HRam. You just don't cut a $22M guy one year removed from a season with an OPS (.866) better than his career OPS (.852).

 

2016-2017 Numbers:

 

Stat HRam- Moreland

PA 1173 1079

HR 53 44

RBI 173 139

ISO .204 .193

OBP .342 .313

SLG .469 .433

wRC+ 112 93

WAR 2.3 1.3

 

Sure, HRam is more on the downside of his career than Moreland, and the bum shoulders are worrisome, but he looked okay vs Houston.

 

I'm giving him a spring look and a chance to shine in 2018.

 

I'm also hoping we set ourselves up nicely, in case he fails.

[Spudboy]

So I happened to see Rosenthal on MLB tonight saying that there were communication problems between Farrell and the players all season and that when asked about this after the game yesterday Pedroia side stepped the question and would only say how every player had done their best to win this year.

 

Rosenthal also said that Farrell is under contract through 2018 and the question for Sox management is weather to extend him or allow him to be a lame duck. His opinion is that Farrell is gone and that Luvello is the best man for the job even though he is in Arizona now.

 

I wonder about this communication problem. Did it exist? I had not heard of it. I recall when BB traded Lawer Milloy to Buffalo how the talking heads on ESPN said that all the Pats players hatted BB and would not play well for him. Of course that turned out to be nonsense.

 

So if you believe all this noise then Farrell is a goner.

 

I don't know what to believe.

 

Has anyone here heard of this communication problem?

Edited October 11, 2017 by Spudboy

[Spudboy]

Moreland has been under .737 in 3 of the last 5 years.

 

HRam has been under .737 once in the past 6 years- the year his shoulder was smashed- in.

 

I don;t have much confidence in either of these guys. HRam is a little older and more injury prone, but he's under contract, so we bring him back and see what he's got. If he sucks we boot him.

 

My plan also makes sure we're covered, if he does suck. I want us to sign JD to play DH and maybe some 1B, Duda to platoonb with HRam or play 1B, and Nunez, which would allow Pedey to DH instead of HRam. You just don't cut a $22M guy one year removed from a season with an OPS (.866) better than his career OPS (.852).

 

2016-2017 Numbers:

 

Stat HRam- Moreland

PA 1173 1079

HR 53 44

RBI 173 139

ISO .204 .193

OBP .342 .313

SLG .469 .433

wRC+ 112 93

WAR 2.3 1.3

 

Sure, HRam is more on the downside of his career than Moreland, and the bum shoulders are worrisome, but he looked okay vs Houston.

 

I'm giving him a spring look and a chance to shine in 2018.

 

I'm also hoping we set ourselves up nicely, in case he fails.

 

Hanley will be back, no doubt. I am hoping that he gets the boot if he sucks donkey dicks as he did this year. ALDS not withstanding, of course.

 

I think patch working the power shortage is a lame approach ( although Martinez may be a decent get ) and trying to suppress Hanley's ABs is a dumb and unethical thing to do.

 

Let's all hope he finds the fountain of youth and some really good homeopathic remedy for his sore shoulders. I think he's an over paid former star that will inhibit building this team to where it needs to be to challenge in the post season.

[moonslav59]

Hanley will be back, no doubt. I am hoping that he gets the boot if he sucks donkey dicks as he did this year. ALDS not withstanding, of course.

 

I think patch working the power shortage is a lame approach ( although Martinez may be a decent get ) and trying to suppress Hanley's ABs is a dumb and unethical thing to do.

 

Let's all hope he finds the fountain of youth and some really good homeopathic remedy for his sore shoulders. I think he's an over paid former star that will inhibit building this team to where it needs to be to challenge in the post season.

 

If HRam sucks, how is it unethical to sign a guy like Duda to cover your ass?

 

Plus, HRam barely got 497 PAs this year, so it's not like we'd have to change what we did this year by too much to save the $22M.

 

[Slasher9]

We win the division with Hanley "sucking a bag of dicks". He then was almost papi like in the alds. I think he deserves some love. IMO

[Spudboy]

If HRam sucks, how is it unethical to sign a guy like Duda to cover your ass?

 

Plus, HRam barely got 497 PAs this year, so it's not like we'd have to change what we did this year by too much to save the $22M.

 

 

I just think it's kind of hinky to tank for draft picks and sit a player only to prevent him from reaching a vesting option.

 

I won't lose any sleep over it. I just think its a poor way to do business.

 

Make your bed and lay in it.

Edited October 11, 2017 by Spudboy

[jacksonianmarch]

The union will go apeshit if he misses his option by a few ABs, especially if he is sat down the stretch by a team in the hunt.

[Bellhorn04]

A .769 OPS 1B is not going to get $10 million a year.

 

Yeah, you're right, bad call on my part.

[Bellhorn04]

So I happened to see Rosenthal on MLB tonight saying that there were communication problems between Farrell and the players all season and that when asked about this after the game yesterday Pedroia side stepped the question and would only say how every player had done there best to win this year.

 

"Communication problems" - we'll be reading that phrase a lot if the Sox have decided it's time to part ways with Farrell.

[moonslav59]

The union will go apeshit if he misses his option by a few ABs, especially if he is sat down the stretch by a team in the hunt.

 

We don't have to sit him at the end of the season- just platoon him ve LH'd starters only with some PH duty. We can even give him some starts vs righties and easily come in below 497.

[moonslav59]

I just think it's kind of hinky to tank for draft picks and sit a player only to prevent him from reaching a vesting option.

 

I won't lose any sleep over it. I just think its a poor way to do business.

 

Make you bed and lay in it.

 

It's not "hanky panky". It's a side result of improving our team. Duda blows HRam away vs RHPs.

 

Now, if Duda or JD gets hurt and we still sit HRam (assuming he's hitting well), then it would be unethical or hanky panky.

[moonslav59]

"Communication problems" - we'll be reading that phrase a lot if the Sox have decided it's time to part ways with Farrell.

 

All the JF bashing going on, and nobody even knew about this.

 

Makes sense though, in hindsight.

 

Obviously the message to stop making bonehead plays never got through to this crew.

[mvp 78]

Per TalkSox:

 

Baseball is random.

 

Managers don't matter.

 

Batting order doesn't matter.

 

The offseason doesn't matter.

 

So, just throw whoever out there and the results would be just the same.

[mvp 78]

The union will go apeshit if he misses his option by a few ABs, especially if he is sat down the stretch by a team in the hunt.

 

His shoulder is injured enough that they could say it's not worth him playing. The union can be mad, but it's not like he's deserving of playing time.

[OH FOY]

Farrell gone!

[OH FOY]

Sox just fired him.

[mvp 78]

f***ing fired!

 

Things are looking up boys (and Kimmi)!

[OH FOY]

Don't get Ausmus.

[mvp 78]

[mvp 78]

If they fired Farrell and had DiSarcina manage for September, they couldn't have done any worse. Waited too long!

[OH FOY]

I like DiSarcina, very good at Pawtucket, but he wont get the job. DD gets one of his cronies, then his job on the line.

[mvp 78]

I like DiSarcina, very good at Pawtucket, but he wont get the job. DD gets one of his cronies, then his job on the line.

 

This move will tell me a lot about how DD sees this team.

[mvp 78]

https://twitter.com/YoureRightMike/status/918110192906199040

 

This week was starting out pretty terribly, but one little thing can always improve your outlook.